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Post by yamfriend on Feb 13, 2018 20:25:14 GMT -5
Even if the budget was there for SASUKE, aside from possibly scaling down the difficulty of Stage 3, I feel like right now most of the changes that ought to be made should occur in the first two stages anyway. After all, more competitors try these stages and their respective obstacles, and thus more variety can occur in terms of clears/failures to catch the interest of viewers during the television broadcasts. If there isn't enough interest to viewers when they first tune in, they're less likely to watch until the later stages are shown. Even now it gets repetitive a bit on Stage 1 having most of the top competitors grouped together at the end (which IMO is why it would be more preferable to have the top competitors more spread out number-wise, or at least put in small groups throughout Stage 1, similar to SASUKE 25 and 27 as semi-recent examples). Of course, there have been times when Stage 1 was barely tweaked, though this has generally been at points in the show's history where there was less success in Stage 1 (example: SASUKE 5-7 and 19-21 respectively had no or very minor Stage 1 changes, though at the time very few were clearing and thus any major changes to the stage could make results even worse and potentially turn viewers away). Having had 24 Stage 1 clears and 9 Stage 2 clears in SASUKE 34, I think changing stuff in Stage 1 and/or Stage 2 for SASUKE 35 is warranted for these reasons.
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Post by TCM on Feb 14, 2018 0:05:12 GMT -5
Even if the budget was there for SASUKE, aside from possibly scaling down the difficulty of Stage 3, I feel like right now most of the changes that ought to be made should occur in the first two stages anyway. After all, more competitors try these stages and their respective obstacles, and thus more variety can occur in terms of clears/failures to catch the interest of viewers during the television broadcasts. If there isn't enough interest to viewers when they first tune in, they're less likely to watch until the later stages are shown. Even now it gets repetitive a bit on Stage 1 having most of the top competitors grouped together at the end (which IMO is why it would be more preferable to have the top competitors more spread out number-wise, or at least put in small groups throughout Stage 1, similar to SASUKE 25 and 27 as semi-recent examples). Of course, there have been times when Stage 1 was barely tweaked, though this has generally been at points in the show's history where there was less success in Stage 1 (example: SASUKE 5-7 and 19-21 respectively had no or very minor Stage 1 changes, though at the time very few were clearing and thus any major changes to the stage could make results even worse and potentially turn viewers away). Having had 24 Stage 1 clears and 9 Stage 2 clears in SASUKE 34, I think changing stuff in Stage 1 and/or Stage 2 for SASUKE 35 is warranted for these reasons. I agree that competitors should be more spread out but when you compare the last five tournaments to a very popular stretch like the redesign in response to Nagano's near win from 13-17, Stage 2 clears were 50% or greater every tournament. This era of Sasuke is just as guilty of there really only being 1 or 2 clears at most in the first half of the lineup before spiking in the second half. At least twice there wasn't a single clear until you got to the halfway point. 13: 10/5 (50%) 14: 14/10 (71%) 15: 7/6 (86%) 16: 16/8 (50%) 17: 11/8 (73%) Total: 58/37 (63%) There are more clears in this era compared to the one I just noted, but there are those key differences in eras: 1. Kanzenseiha started earlier meaning people got more used to the course, 2. Despite the fact how repetitive Stage 2 has gotten, it does its job very well with knocking down that number for Stage 3 and C. the competitor lineup is more stacked, so there is a higher chance of clears. You have the 100% clear rate of 32 but of course, the only reason 15 didn't have it was because of Nagano's fluke Metal Spin fail. You'll notice despite there being nearly enough First Stage clears to fill an entire tournament lineup, there were only two more clears than 13-17. 30: 27/9 (33%) 31: 17/8 (47%) 32: 8/8 (100%) 33: 13/5 (39%) 34: 24/9 (38%) Total: 89/39 (44%) While first and last points are admittedly fair justifications for mixing it up in Stages 1&2 more, which I'm for, the consistent (if not repetitive) course lineup is working. Is it an editing nightmare, sure, but we've become too meta if we're trying to get less Stage 1 clears just to have a cleaner edit/more chance of certain people being shown. Even in 13-17. there were clears digested and post-Stage 1 runs mid cut. The two biggest criticisms here are there isn't enough course variety and Stage 3 is too overpowered. But I think the latter is a bigger priority than the former (especially considering it's more not be able to change because of budget than simply choosing to not change it up) and to rectify the latter outside of deliberately making it easier somehow (and we saw how that was taken over here at least in 27) is to keep the course familiar enough for the people most likely to clear Stage 3 (or at least beat the UCCH) to get there and give themselves the chance to do it. Granted, you can argue that those people are good enough to where they can adapt on the fly and I agree with that mostly, but they are human. Just like Nagano went from three straight Final Stages to Metal Spin, Jumping Bars, Devil Balanco before getting back to the Pipe Slider, of the three people who have beaten the first transfer of the UCCH (Drew, Tomo, Yusuke), only Drew has consistently gotten there. He's never failed before the Cliffhanger since his return to Sasuke. Meanwhile, Tomo was a part of the half of the Flying Bar attempts who failed it in 32 and had his sudden Double Pendulum fail in 33. Yusuke didn't get out of Stage 2 the tournament before his win, and his first tournament after his win, he was a part of the Flying Bar massacre in 33. But once he got there, he's kept his Cliffhanger streak intact. Adding some variety would be very nice but we know this place. No redesign love will offset if we don't see at least a Pipe Slider attempt (and it's a Winter tournament so no one should expect that anyway), and just imagine if that redesign takes out important competitors and renders the tournament virtually over regardless of who else got to Stage 3. For the more cynical people, what would you rather be most disappointed by?
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Post by TCM on Feb 14, 2018 1:05:06 GMT -5
Fair enough, although I feel like half of the competitors are celebrities now. And they're the only people really focused-on. I know it's not new, but it's still the truth! 32, 33 and 34 all changed mat colors. This is more than it was when they only did it after a Kanzenseiha. To be fair, I never said my view counted. What I will add is that, if half of the people on here feel like the course has gotten stale, it's not a stretch to say that some people who live in Japan also think the course is not modified enough. Plus, I'm not saying that point-blank adding new obstacles determines ratings - just having good and varied obstacles. A lot of the obstacles on this course aren't that amazing so this is also quite important to ratings. Except half the competitors aren't celebrities. That's 11 who I saw had some sort of celebrity/entertainer label to them in 34. 5 of them weren't even in the main broadcast, which would go against the idea they were there for ratings purposes. I would argue they should have shown the WORLD ORDER member considering their YouTube channel has 95 million views and their founder, Genki Sudo is a famous former MMA fighter and even former Sasuke competitor. But at this point you might as well call out Darvish and Tsukada (Iwamoto as well) because that's who you actually mean. Yeah, they're given a lot of camera time. They're also the two biggest names on the show and the first celebs in a long time who have started to justify their attention with deep Stage 1 runs and Stage 1 clears even. No one should think of them as Stage 3 threats to any extent, but Darvish failing the same obstacle as Yuuji in Stage 2 is a feather in his cap when it's the penultimate obstacle in the stage. It's not like if you take those two away, Inui will suddenly go "well, guess I'll start showing Shunsuke now." No one should be surprised by his editing decisions by this point. I don't know why you keep harping on the mats. They didn't change from green to black until Sasuke 13. They changed to red in 18, changed back to green in 25 and promptly changed right back to red until 28 where it went back to black and then right back to red for 29. Adding black and later blue accents to some of the paths in Stage 1 does. not. break. the. budget. Of course there are Japanese fans who comment on the same things we do. You know who they are? Hardcore fans. What's the signifier of a hardcore fan? They'll keep watching regardless. The biggest hit against the ratings is the lack of promotion TBS does for a 20-year-old show people don't realize is still on. And no, the lack of promotion isn't in some embarrassment over the lack of obstacle variety as of late -- they're the ones who fund the show. Your "truth" is more like hyperbole.
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Post by krmikulitsi on Feb 14, 2018 1:42:08 GMT -5
Was gonna come to say about VL but already you guys showed it
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Post by krmikulitsi on Feb 14, 2018 1:43:07 GMT -5
But happy that VL and Pipe Slider aren't changed. I don't want any nerfs in Stage 3 because it will be amazing when someone beats this.
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Post by Dazed (Wiin) on Feb 14, 2018 3:37:31 GMT -5
Except half the competitors aren't celebrities. That's 11 who I saw had some sort of celebrity/entertainer label to them in 34. 5 of them weren't even in the main broadcast, which would go against the idea they were there for ratings purposes. I would argue they should have shown the WORLD ORDER member considering their YouTube channel has 95 million views and their founder, Genki Sudo is a famous former MMA fighter and even former Sasuke competitor. But at this point you might as well call out Darvish and Tsukada (Iwamoto as well) because that's who you actually mean. Yeah, they're given a lot of camera time. They're also the two biggest names on the show and the first celebs in a long time who have started to justify their attention with deep Stage 1 runs and Stage 1 clears even. No one should think of them as Stage 3 threats to any extent, but Darvish failing the same obstacle as Yuuji in Stage 2 is a feather in his cap when it's the penultimate obstacle in the stage. It's not like if you take those two away, Inui will suddenly go "well, guess I'll start showing Shunsuke now." No one should be surprised by his editing decisions by this point. They tend to give Takeru celebrity treatment as well.
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Post by Sierrae on Feb 14, 2018 6:20:12 GMT -5
But happy that VL and Pipe Slider aren't changed. I don't want any nerfs in Stage 3 because it will be amazing when someone beats this. Which I am fully convinced will NEVER happen
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Post by SRW on Feb 14, 2018 9:05:48 GMT -5
Yuujis win in 27 was meaningless because they caved and nerfed stage 3 as a whole. I'm glad they aren't nerfing this one otherwise the next win is meaningless.
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Post by Messup434 on Feb 14, 2018 10:57:57 GMT -5
Fair enough, although I feel like half of the competitors are celebrities now. And they're the only people really focused-on. I know it's not new, but it's still the truth! 32, 33 and 34 all changed mat colors. This is more than it was when they only did it after a Kanzenseiha. To be fair, I never said my view counted. What I will add is that, if half of the people on here feel like the course has gotten stale, it's not a stretch to say that some people who live in Japan also think the course is not modified enough. Plus, I'm not saying that point-blank adding new obstacles determines ratings - just having good and varied obstacles. A lot of the obstacles on this course aren't that amazing so this is also quite important to ratings. Except half the competitors aren't celebrities. That's 11 who I saw had some sort of celebrity/entertainer label to them in 34. 5 of them weren't even in the main broadcast, which would go against the idea they were there for ratings purposes. I would argue they should have shown the WORLD ORDER member considering their YouTube channel has 95 million views and their founder, Genki Sudo is a famous former MMA fighter and even former Sasuke competitor. But at this point you might as well call out Darvish and Tsukada (Iwamoto as well) because that's who you actually mean. Yeah, they're given a lot of camera time. They're also the two biggest names on the show and the first celebs in a long time who have started to justify their attention with deep Stage 1 runs and Stage 1 clears even. No one should think of them as Stage 3 threats to any extent, but Darvish failing the same obstacle as Yuuji in Stage 2 is a feather in his cap when it's the penultimate obstacle in the stage. It's not like if you take those two away, Inui will suddenly go "well, guess I'll start showing Shunsuke now." No one should be surprised by his editing decisions by this point. I don't know why you keep harping on the mats. They didn't change from green to black until Sasuke 13. They changed to red in 18, changed back to green in 25 and promptly changed right back to red until 28 where it went back to black and then right back to red for 29. Adding black and later blue accents to some of the paths in Stage 1 does. not. break. the. budget. Of course there are Japanese fans who comment on the same things we do. You know who they are? Hardcore fans. What's the signifier of a hardcore fan? They'll keep watching regardless. The biggest hit against the ratings is the lack of promotion TBS does for a 20-year-old show people don't realize is still on. And no, the lack of promotion isn't in some embarrassment over the lack of obstacle variety as of late -- they're the ones who fund the show. Your "truth" is more like hyperbole. Eh, maybe - it’s just my opinion that money could be better spent on completely new obstacles, rather than new props. This is simply my opinion, and I don’t expect everyone to agree with this. I was pretty wrong on the celebrities. Still Shunsuke is the exact type of competitor that deserves to be shown (kind of the David Campbell of Sasuke!) purely for his dedication. Then, if there’s a bit of extra airtime after showing the fan-favorites, rising stars, interesting runs and stage clearing runs, give some focus to the celebs. But IN MY OPINION these celebrity competitors don’t need long introductions (I mean, they are celebrities!) and routines at the starting line. This is just a pretty big fan typing, it’s quite possible that the general audience in Japan loves the celebs. Going back to obstacles, I’m very glad to see the dreaded Stage Three combo has stuck around in all its glory. I hope someone gets to the Pipe Slider this time, though (probably unlikely).
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Post by krmikulitsi on Feb 14, 2018 14:18:41 GMT -5
But happy that VL and Pipe Slider aren't changed. I don't want any nerfs in Stage 3 because it will be amazing when someone beats this. Which I am fully convinced will NEVER happen Well yeah, I don't also but I still want more people to try VL. After that, if someone (Morimoto, Drew, Kawaguchi) has tried a lot of times the VL and still failed, then there should be a nerf.
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Post by krmikulitsi on Feb 14, 2018 14:21:58 GMT -5
Yuujis win in 27 was meaningless because they caved and nerfed stage 3 as a whole. I'm glad they aren't nerfing this one otherwise the next win is meaningless. Yeah, this is so true!
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Post by ArbuthnotBlob on Feb 15, 2018 8:12:53 GMT -5
Trash translation: The fine adjustment of the new area of 1st stage was almost finished. And one more thing.
No new pictures, but Inui is continuing to say there is a new 1st Stage obstacle, and 'one more thing'.
The replies to this one are implying it's another obstacle, but if that were the case I think Inui would have milked that for all the hype he could get.
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Post by Klorel439 on Feb 16, 2018 11:19:23 GMT -5
So, it could be nothing, but it looks like there is something similar to the big dipper in the back of this photo.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Feb 16, 2018 11:50:01 GMT -5
It's definitely something, and that's probably a good guess.. in which case a literal three year old has contributed more to sasuke than 99% of this board
I hope it's something actually new
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Post by krmikulitsi on Feb 16, 2018 12:49:13 GMT -5
Wow Big Dipper or Double Dipper in stage 1! Good news if its true news
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Post by Messup434 on Feb 16, 2018 14:31:22 GMT -5
It’s not that good IMO. I loved the obstacle, but it’s not really original. I want a completely new, shocking idea.
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Post by Role Playing Garchomp on Feb 16, 2018 15:20:27 GMT -5
It’s not that good IMO. I loved the obstacle, but it’s not really original. I want a completely new, shocking idea. Better than 34 when we got nothing. :/
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Post by Messup434 on Feb 16, 2018 15:22:59 GMT -5
It’s not that good IMO. I loved the obstacle, but it’s not really original. I want a completely new, shocking idea. Better than 34 when we got nothing. :/ Yeah (I'm very glad we're getting something), but the fact that last tournament was a complete copy-and-paste of the previous one is another reason we need more original stuff.
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Post by Role Playing Garchomp on Feb 18, 2018 1:04:39 GMT -5
https://www.instagram.com/p/BfU2eUqFjW9 Looks like the Fishbone and (likely) the TIE Fighter are back (EDIT) Looks like the TIE Fighter is at the end of the track in this photo so TIE Fighter confirmed.
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Post by ArbuthnotBlob on Feb 18, 2018 7:33:49 GMT -5
OK, gotta hold my hands up and say I was wrong, that first photo was the start line! A, remarkably tacky start design, and I still want to know what the purpose of that tall curvy bit is, but very definitely not a new obstacle. Speaking of new obstacles:
Inui has just compared the actual new obstacle to the debut of the Jump Hang in 2000, implying it caused a lot of fails?
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