Would anyone like to see the return of bootcamp from anw 1-3

[zoran]

I really enjoyed the bootcamp episodes in the Californian mountains, in the bootcamp the 15 best from the Venice Beach trials were split into 3 teams and forced to compete against each other in challenges and a relay.Eventually they were wittled down to 10 who went to Japan.While I understand they may be no need for it since the US has its own course.The episodes were still some of the best, they had a great pace, a sense of competition,great rhythm and variety(new obstacle every day)and had some really great moments(Evan volunteering for the rope climb to help Patrick).They were highly rated too as there success inspired the actual ANW course, so I think they should set it up again and let it flow from there. 

[Messup434]

You're definitely not alone there. Bring back bootcamp and the vibe of the season four era!

[Dazed (Wiin)]

Feb 9, 2018 15:50:14 GMT -5 zoran said:

and had some really great moments(Evan volunteering for the rope climb to help Patrick).

I still, to this day, dislike Patrick for not going up there himself.  

I did enjoy the whole boot camp though, although I don't know how they could use it these days. 

[zoran]

Feb 9, 2018 16:59:19 GMT -5 Dazed (Wiin) said:

Feb 9, 2018 15:50:14 GMT -5 zoran said:

and had some really great moments(Evan volunteering for the rope climb to help Patrick).

I still, to this day, dislike Patrick for not going up there himself.  

I did enjoy the whole boot camp though, although I don't know how they could use it these days. 

Well the thing is he would have likely lost as evidenced by him nearly failing the first rope climb.So Evan volunteering saved him and Evan also got to go to Japan so pretty much everyone wins.

[Dazed (Wiin)]

Feb 9, 2018 17:02:25 GMT -5 zoran said:

Feb 9, 2018 16:59:19 GMT -5 Dazed (Wiin) said:

I still, to this day, dislike Patrick for not going up there himself.  

I did enjoy the whole boot camp though, although I don't know how they could use it these days. 

Well the thing is he would have likely lost as evidenced by him nearly failing the first rope climb.So Evan volunteering saved him and Evan also got to go to Japan so pretty much everyone wins.

Apart from Rich King who was a great competitor,  but oh well, Evan and Patrick both got the worst results of all the American's at Japan for ANW2. 

[Messup434]

Feb 9, 2018 16:59:19 GMT -5 Dazed (Wiin) said:

Feb 9, 2018 15:50:14 GMT -5 zoran said:

and had some really great moments(Evan volunteering for the rope climb to help Patrick).

I still, to this day, dislike Patrick for not going up there himself.  

I did enjoy the whole boot camp though, although I don't know how they could use it these days. 

Yeah. Most dramatic ANW scene ever lol.

I do feel bad for Rich and it was certainly Patrick’s time to go, too.

[Kane-Not-Kosugi]

The boot camp episodes made for some of the best ANW moments, but I don't want it to come back. Everyone who would make it to boot camp at this point would be ANW gym owners who train on the obstacles professionally every day. There would be no drama, just like "hey watch these guys destroy this course!" Unless they go for speed, but imo it isn't the best way to decide who deserves to advanve. You can finish qualifiers in the middle of the pack and still destroy the Stage 1 time. An example of this is Brian Arnold. It would be less suspenseful and rob great ninjas of a shot at Midoryama. That and they have Vegas.

Now, if they made boot camp a SPECIAL episode of "All Stars" and the top 10 get to go to Sasuke, then I'd be down. Long as they don't screw other ANW athletes.

That's my 2 cents. P.S. Patrick Cusic was a disgrace to Ninja Warrior

[zoran]

Feb 9, 2018 18:48:54 GMT -5 Kane-Not-Kosugi said:

The boot camp episodes made for some of the best ANW moments, but I don't want it to come back. Everyone who would make it to boot camp at this point would be ANW gym owners who train on the obstacles professionally every day. There would be no drama, just like "hey watch these guys destroy this course!" Unless they go for speed, but imo it isn't the best way to decide who deserves to advanve. You can finish qualifiers in the middle of the pack and still destroy the Stage 1 time. An example of this is Brian Arnold. It would be less suspenseful and rob great ninjas of a shot at Midoryama. That and they have Vegas.

Now, if they made boot camp a SPECIAL episode of "All Stars" and the top 10 get to go to Sasuke, then I'd be down. Long as they don't screw other ANW athletes.

That's my 2 cents. P.S. Patrick Cusic was a disgrace to Ninja Warrior

Why the hate for Patrick?Surely he was a bit cowardly but it was his dream to go to Japan.Also Evan made it up the ropes so everyone won.

[zoran]

Feb 9, 2018 18:48:54 GMT -5 Kane-Not-Kosugi said:

The boot camp episodes made for some of the best ANW moments, but I don't want it to come back. Everyone who would make it to boot camp at this point would be ANW gym owners who train on the obstacles professionally every day. There would be no drama, just like "hey watch these guys destroy this course!" Unless they go for speed, but imo it isn't the best way to decide who deserves to advanve. You can finish qualifiers in the middle of the pack and still destroy the Stage 1 time. An example of this is Brian Arnold. It would be less suspenseful and rob great ninjas of a shot at Midoryama. That and they have Vegas.

Now, if they made boot camp a SPECIAL episode of "All Stars" and the top 10 get to go to Sasuke, then I'd be down. Long as they don't screw other ANW athletes.

That's my 2 cents. P.S. Patrick Cusic was a disgrace to Ninja Warrior

Training out in the blistering hot desert is much more difficult than training in a gym, also they can up the difficulty of the obstacles each time also they could just only accept the non elite to take on the course with the intent of training them.The idea about the all stars is an interesting idea too however I would prefer just 5 making it to Japan to truly highlight the best of the bunch.

[thatoneuser]

Boot camp was stupid and all the ninjas hated it. It absolutely should not return in any capacity. Also, f*** Patrick Cusic.

[Kane-Not-Kosugi]

Why the hate for Patrick?Surely he was a bit cowardly but it was his dream to go to Japan.Also Evan made it up the ropes so everyone won.


Patrick lost that challenge for his team. Evan and Rich did so much better than him. Everyone volunteered when they messed up because they were being fair. Patrick enforced that. Then when it was his turn he whined and made Evan step up. Rich got screwed if I'm not mistaken. After his hypocrisy and ruining another guy's trip to Midoryama he earned, Patrick falls on the Rolling Escargot. Ultimate waste and disgrace of the spirit of what Sasuke/ANW requires.

[Dazed (Wiin)]

Feb 9, 2018 19:54:35 GMT -5 Kane-Not-Kosugi said:

Why the hate for Patrick?Surely he was a bit cowardly but it was his dream to go to Japan.Also Evan made it up the ropes so everyone won.


Patrick lost that challenge for his team. Evan and Rich did so much better than him. Everyone volunteered when they messed up because they were being fair. Patrick enforced that. Then when it was his turn he whined and made Evan step up. Rich got screwed if I'm not mistaken. After his hypocrisy and ruining another guy's trip to Midoryama he earned, Patrick falls on the Rolling Escargot. Ultimate waste and disgrace of the spirit of what Sasuke/ANW requires.

Evan, trying to look like a good guy, stepped up for Patrick and offered to climb for him. Although it wasn't much of an offer since Patrick was not going to do it anyway. 
Rich had also gone to Japan before and in fact, made it to the Second Stage in Sasuke 23. 
Pretty much what happened is that Patrick bet Evan who bet Rich and Rich was the unlucky guy who didn't get to go but at least he was honorable. 

[Messup434]

It's as good a pipe-dream as anything, but I see great ways to bring back boot-camp, spiced up.

For example (though I would miss the nostalgic Sasuke obstacles-only idea!), if four episodes of boot-camp are held again, you could spend each episode focusing on a different thing.

Episode one could be the classic obstacles - similar to what we saw back in seasons two and three.

Episode two could focus on lower-body skills. A parkour course made of many obstacles (climbing over wood-log walls, sticking precision-jumps, maybe a tricky balance obstacle) where time is of the essence, but slip-ups are quite common. So speed and technique are both really needed here.

Episode three could once again have a course only consisting of three obstacles, but these could be some of the most difficult ANW has to offer. A giant lache could be one idea for a challenge and a long Cliffhanger obstacle would be a must-have. Vertical Limit could also make its debut right there.

Episode four could have everyone made into individuals as they tackle a series of (maybe eight) endurance challenges. These challenges would include longest human-flag hold, longest hang from a cannonball, longest deadhang from a Cliffhanger ledge, etc. Then the four with the least amount of time overall have to duel it out on the finale.

They could change the Finale to something new, although the Heavenly Ropes would probably still work anyway.

Yes, I know there's a zero-percent chance of any change like this being made, but it's fun to dream. I might be sad if they went back to one Qualifying regional again, anyway!

[TCM]

I think the "Patrick is a disgrace to NW" is over-hyping his behavior. It was exactly the over-wrought drama G4 wanted but he got his karma at the end of it all.

He couldn't get past the 3rd obstacle in Sasuke and wasn't even shown on the Japanese broadcast. He couldn't even get past qualifying the very next ANW (granted, he was injured) and then got to Vegas via wildcard the one after that just to get digested. And he couldn't beat the wall in his last ANW.

ANW blew past his mediocrity and he's nothing more than a footnote that most bring up disparagingly. He got what his skill deserved.

[LusitaniaAngel313]

If there is a way to use boot camp that be cool. I never saw it tbh. Maybe it could be a way to whittle down walk ons that would be a bit of a challenge so they're prepared for the main course? It's an idea.

[Dazed (Wiin)]

Feb 10, 2018 3:31:22 GMT -5 LusitaniaAngel313 said:

If there is a way to use boot camp that be cool. I never saw it tbh. Maybe it could be a way to whittle down walk ons that would be a bit of a challenge so they're prepared for the main course? It's an idea.

Yeah, that might work but I feel like it might almost be taking it too far away from what the show currently is and flows like. IMO ANW 2-3 was a journey to Japan, going through the qualifiers and semi finals at Venice beach, the boot camp in the California Mountains and then the finals in Japan. Now, it seems like going from a city (qualifiers and city finals) to a bigger city (Vegas, national finals) and a boot camp in the mountains seems a little out of place if you catch my drift. 

[GlobalNinjaFan]

Feb 10, 2018 1:05:59 GMT -5 TCM said:

I think the "Patrick is a disgrace to NW" is over-hyping his behavior. It was exactly the over-wrought drama G4 wanted but he got his karma at the end of it all.

He couldn't get past the 3rd obstacle in Sasuke and wasn't even shown on the Japanese broadcast. He couldn't even get past qualifying the very next ANW (granted, he was injured) and then got to Vegas via wildcard the one after that just to get digested. And he couldn't beat the wall in his last ANW.

ANW blew past his mediocrity and he's nothing more than a footnote that most bring up disparagingly. He got what his skill deserved.

C'mon... the Rolling Escargot was a doozy of an obstacle and making it to obstacle six in Vegas is still better than many people. Same for making it to the wall by ANW 6's qualifiers. Yeah, he wasn't the best competitor, but I feel people downplay the skill he did have. Not every competitor has to be a Flip or Drew, the field needs middle of the road competitors to both balance the field and potentially break out and provide new dark horses.

[arsenette]

It's funny how this topic gets brought up years after it happened in a vacuum with nothing else around it. People forget how THIS was the only way to get to Sasuke effectively eliminating qualifiers completely all for a Survivor'esk show that did nothing to train the athletes. I remember David Campbell talking about that where he they secluded you for almost 2 weeks and stunted your training. He got to Japan and felt that if he had that time back he would have done better since he could actually train more. So no it's a stunt for people who could get almost a month off of work which effectively eliminates the normal person from trying to get on the show and compete on Sasuke. Also, Vegas is filled now with 100'ish people.. you want a boot camp replacing Vegas? Because logistically it won't work at all with the 75,000 entrants to ANW each year. This format was despised for those of us who lived through it. Hindsight and late-comers to it have no idea how bad it was because they only saw the isolated episodes of their favorite handful of people without understanding how limiting and stupid the entire show really was. We were glad it was canceled so quickly and there's no need to bring it back. Survivor still exists.. watch that instead.

[lightningmatt]

It could be possible to have a boot-camp like thing WITHOUT the, uh, isolation and lack of training.

[TCM]

Feb 10, 2018 7:48:59 GMT -5 GlobalNinjaFan said:

Feb 10, 2018 1:05:59 GMT -5 TCM said:

I think the "Patrick is a disgrace to NW" is over-hyping his behavior. It was exactly the over-wrought drama G4 wanted but he got his karma at the end of it all.

He couldn't get past the 3rd obstacle in Sasuke and wasn't even shown on the Japanese broadcast. He couldn't even get past qualifying the very next ANW (granted, he was injured) and then got to Vegas via wildcard the one after that just to get digested. And he couldn't beat the wall in his last ANW.

ANW blew past his mediocrity and he's nothing more than a footnote that most bring up disparagingly. He got what his skill deserved.

C'mon... the Rolling Escargot was a doozy of an obstacle and making it to obstacle six in Vegas is still better than many people. Same for making it to the wall by ANW 6's qualifiers. Yeah, he wasn't the best competitor, but I feel people downplay the skill he did have. Not every competitor has to be a Flip or Drew, the field needs middle of the road competitors to both balance the field and potentially break out and provide new dark horses.

Rolling Escargot does have quite the hit list, it's one of my favorite obstacles.  Making it to the wall in Vegas is a decent run.  He got straight up unlucky he didn't make the wall while being put in Miami in ANW6 given you had to clear to advance seeing as how well over 30 cleared that season.  I have no problem with middle of the road competitors -- on Sasuke, Darvish is one of my current favorites despite people on here thinking too much time is spent on him (which I can forgive because he's shown he can at least give you a deep Stage 1 run which is good for a celebrity).  For ANW, I enjoy Jon Alexis Jr and who doesn't love Sam Sann?  They're notable names and they will give you a notable run, whether it's for a good reason or an unfortunate one, but they aren't at the top tier of stars.  They're still enjoyable and I am one of many fans of theirs.

I'm not saying you have to be a superstar name.  But in Patrick's case, when he was the master of his own fate, his results weren't very eventful.  He barely qualified for Boot Camp -- he was 15th of 15; he was furthest faster than Lorin Ball by literally one second.  He beat Dorian in Boot Camp but was the only one to not complete the climb. Then the drama on the last day happened, Evan eliminates Rich and then Patrick only gets through two obstacles in Japan.  He did as well as Evan in fact, but no one minds Evan's result because he earned his spot.  We just remark of the irony that those two did the worse of all ten that season.  ANW3 is a wash -- he cleared, but was injured so he was the slowest clear and didn't have a chance to make Semis.  To Patrick's credit, he did better than Rich in ANW4, he actually got to the region finals, but he was the slowest clear again and had to resort to getting a Wild Card where he timed out at the Wall in Vegas.  

The perception of ANW is that it's a meritocracy (there's been plenty of instances to show it's not, but it presents itself enough to the point people can say it is).  The only times Patrick qualified for the main event of a season (Sasuke/Vegas), he was spared by generosity of another person and given a Wild Card spot.  I don't mind when someone qualified via Wild Card, I'm just remarking he never was able to say he qualified without outside assistance and then didn't do much with. People are willing to forgive past grievances when you make up for it in the future.  Patrick never did that.  Which, despite me going in this detail, I don't think is inherently wrong.  What puts that bad taste in someone's mouth in reference to him, is that despite all his attempts, his most notable was still the one that caused the most controversy.  If he had performed really well at any other point, then you couldn't harp on Boot Camp as much, because he would have then proved himself elsewhere.  

My overall point was balking at the idea that he somehow had such a notable NW existence that you could consider him a major blight in regards to the history of ANW or Ninja Warrior in general.  He was a middling competitor where his most notable tournament was in an era ANW rarely acknowledges anymore.  In Japan?  Just some random white guy who a small audience of people saw fail where everyone else basically did that day in Stage 1.  No one knows who he is there.  Me saying that's where he "deserves" to be is a little harsh, but keep in mind this is the most anyone has talked about him in reference to ANW in a long time.  Unfortunately for him, it's the only way he'll be brought up by people in general conversation.

Feb 10, 2018 9:03:45 GMT -5 lightningmatt said:

It could be possible to have a boot-camp like thing WITHOUT the, uh, isolation and lack of training.

You could technically improve upon the format of Boot Camp, yes, but to the point you could replace it with what we have now? Not a chance.