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Post by chackpop on Apr 20, 2009 19:44:52 GMT -5
After seeing the last ten people 91-100 failing, most of them expected to pass the stage, will Sasuke ever see 10 or more stage one clears again?
The first stage in my opinion is too long and too hard now.
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Post by obakemono on Apr 20, 2009 19:53:09 GMT -5
I imagine if the stage remains the same in 23, we will see ~10 passing.
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Post by chackpop on Apr 20, 2009 19:59:50 GMT -5
You never know, the slider jump is an unpredictable obstacle. I mean only one obstacle was added that was hard and there was a stricter time limit and the result is few people beating the first stage.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Apr 20, 2009 20:17:37 GMT -5
O cmon, the results weren't that bad at all. Of the people shown in the TBS broadcast, 22 people made it to the Slider Jump and 10 passed it. Because of the time limit, only 5 of those 10 cleared. The fact that people are even getting to the Slider Jump with good time gives me hope that a lot of people will clear in Sasuke 23. Plus, if the time limit was 125 (which I think is too much in my opinion), then we would have 10 clears. Now, if the results were more like Sasuke 19, then I would be worried, but I think more of the elite competitors will return in Sasuke 23.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Apr 20, 2009 20:28:59 GMT -5
O cmon, the results weren't that bad at all. Of the people shown in the TBS broadcast, 22 people made it to the Slider Jump and 10 passed it. Because of the time limit, only 5 of those 10 cleared. The fact that people are even getting to the Slider Jump with good time gives me hope that a lot of people will clear in Sasuke 23. Plus, if the time limit was 125 (which I think is too much in my opinion), then we would have 10 clears. Now, if the results were more like Sasuke 19, then I would be worried I actually think 19 was full of just as many mistakes as the challenges were hard. i.e. Nagano, Takeda, Shiratori, Nagasaki.
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Post by chackpop on Apr 20, 2009 20:29:22 GMT -5
Its mostly the all stars failing, but Levi, PAT, and Mr. Handball all failing just kinda shocked me
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Post by TCM on Apr 20, 2009 20:57:02 GMT -5
Its mostly the all stars failing, but Levi, PAT, and Mr. Handball all failing just kinda shocked me And Miyazaki made it past the slider jump, the net ate up the little time he had left.
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Post by obakemono on Apr 20, 2009 21:06:59 GMT -5
I hope people learn to go quickly even if they think they're in good time. Ishikawa would have made it if he'd sped up a little bit at the end, I don't think he realised how low the time was before the buzzer started going.
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Post by TCM on Apr 20, 2009 21:25:17 GMT -5
No one really knows how much time is left until you get to that last two obstacles or hear the buzzer. since its so small and far.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Apr 20, 2009 22:13:54 GMT -5
I think the speed factor in this tournament took everyone by surprise. The people that did well in Sasuke 21 really only had to complete and do the obstacles quickly and then light jog between obstacles. Competitors could also afford to rest more before obstacles, now they have to take short breaks and can't make any mistakes.
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Post by Oti on Apr 20, 2009 22:32:37 GMT -5
What do you all mean stricter time limit? It was still 120 seconds. o.O
I think the first stage is too long, yes, but the difficulty is just about right. I'd like to see super easy things like the Circle Hammer replaced with actual challenging obstacles. I think the Sextuple Steps are good to begin the stage with, though.
So, I'd shorten it by an obstacle or two, lower the time limit a little and make the easy things harder.
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Post by quasikoz on Apr 21, 2009 11:18:25 GMT -5
They should take out the Circle Hammer. Granted, you can't make every obstacle in the 1st stage difficult, but the obstacle by itself doesn't really do anything for me. At least people lose their balance on the Steps or their grip on the Log and you can see some good splashes. Circle Hammer...meh.
And I hope more people do figure out the Stick Slider. 8-12 is a good number of clears for the first stage. 5 ain't enough though that's probably just as much the All-Stars fault as it is the course.
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Post by chackpop on Apr 21, 2009 18:25:30 GMT -5
Four was great for stage three. Its the most since 17. I just wished more people had beaten the first stage.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Apr 21, 2009 19:09:07 GMT -5
It really doesn't matter how few people make it to the 2nd Stage, as long as those that do make it there, do well in the later stages, it will be a good tournament. The results of Shin-Sasuke (with exceptions like Sasuke 21) have actually been on par with the success during the few tournaments after Akiyama won.
Sasuke 8 had 6 First Stage Clears and 4 Third Stage attempts, and that is considered one of the best tournaments ever.
In terms of First Stage results, Shin-Sasuke seems to be following the results (and course design) of those early tournaments, with Sasuke 22's equivalent being Sasuke 8.
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Post by gtoneko on Apr 22, 2009 3:15:55 GMT -5
Other thing you have to remember as well is that there's always going to be some kind of time waster obstacle for the 1st stage, and the circle hammer did do its job where, at least from speed throughs, only 1 failed one of the easiest obstacles. Everyone else basically got slowed down by it and the other thing as well is that the netting for the Slider Jump is the same one from the Jump Hang where either way you go, up or down, you're going to lose some time and speed because of it.
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Post by supernovamaniac on Apr 22, 2009 7:50:30 GMT -5
About the time out:
I believe, after coming up with slider jump, they made all the walking shorter (i.e. halfpipe attack and soritasukabe/slider jump to tarzan rope) to make up the time.
I mean, if you look at slider jump, it took some time for the competitors to go over/under the net, whether as in flying chute they just have to get right momentum to get to the net in 1 try.
Yea although it was same time limit, it did eat up a lot of time for the competitors.
Also circle hammer: Easier than pole maze imo. Just get right speed and you will get it under 5~7 seconds.
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Post by jfeathe on Apr 22, 2009 20:17:27 GMT -5
The net looks much more vertical than the Jump Hang's one.
Anyway, I think after Sasuke 21, people became much more comfortable with the time limit.
When I first saw the new obstacles, I thought they would take much less time. However, this was not the case and many people failed because of this.
After re-watching David's run on youtube, (yes, it's up there. shhhhh) I realized that he probably would have passed with the old obstacles. The new course gives no time for resting and you have to be fast completing the obstacles. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they increase the time limit to 125.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Apr 22, 2009 21:26:08 GMT -5
I don't think they will. The results were pretty good even though there was a new obstacle really late in the First Stage. I think the time limit should stay as is, because it does make the course hard and much more interesting.
To put it into perspective, Yuuji's run from 22 is pretty comparable to Koji Yamada's run in Sasuke 19. Both beat the Warped Wall around the same time (with Yuuji slightly ahead), and both reached the Tarzan Rope at about the same time (again, with Yuuji ahead).
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Post by obakemono on Apr 22, 2009 21:31:28 GMT -5
Only 3 passed in 20 and they didn't make it any easier. Plus, there were a few that would have passed in good time (Levi and Nagano at least) if they hadn't botched the Slider Jump.
EDIT: If you're comparing Yuuji's run to Koji's in 19, Koji getting hung up on the Flying Chute for a little bit perhaps shows that the Slider Jump takes a little bit longer even if you do it flawlessly.
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Post by supersheep on Apr 22, 2009 23:30:12 GMT -5
After 20 they the course alone, changing nothing. In my opinion that does make it easier because you've seen it all before. Experience is a huge element IMO
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