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Post by chase247 on Dec 30, 2017 18:24:58 GMT -5
ANW inspired me to get fit again. I joined a bouldering gym and will be visiting all sorts of other gyms, ice climbing, jump gym, ocr gyms, etc. The idea of getting fit and strong using only your own body weight really spoke to me. I just want to say that I feel almost 100% the same way. Before ANW really got popular, I was just some skinny kid who played video games all day, and watched ANW/ Sasuke casually. Once ANW got bigger, I realized that maybe it was something I could put work into, and maybe be good at it. While I am no where NEAR being "good at it" currently, ANW has done so much for me in terms of fitness. I go rock climbing weekly, and workout every other day. I can even do movements such as the human flag and front lever, which is something that seemed impossible to me just a few years ago. Even if ANW dies, even if the core audience is going away, it doesn't matter. ANW inspired me to get into shape. I know that I'm definitely not the only person who was inspired by the show. I'm just saying how I feel about that. |
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Post by Matt Midoriyama on Dec 31, 2017 4:57:41 GMT -5
Nice to hear Chase. Keep up the good work!!!
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Post by sosninja on Dec 31, 2017 19:27:16 GMT -5
I don't think either side is completely right in this debate here. I believe that Ninja Warrior will die, and obstacle course shows are mostly going to fizzle out in the next 6-7 years. However, that (hopefully) will leave a big gap for groups like NNL and WolfPack to invent a new type of obstacle course competition with completely original ideas and then grow that into a sport. Ninja Warrior will die everywhere except japan in the next half-decade, that leaves a lot of obstacle gyms without a purpose, ATS will probably be out of a job, and many people just loving getting fit with obstacles (yes, they exist, they aren't all in it for fame) craving something to do. There are a lot of possibilities here that could be taken advantage of. Think of it as growing a garden using the ashes when the dumpster fire is done burning.
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Dec 31, 2017 22:41:21 GMT -5
This whole topic is making me really sad.
Ninja Warrior might die??? PLEASE NO. I was that 4 year old who binged Sasuke and has dreamed about competing on Sasuke and/or ANW since then. I'm 16 now. Been waiting. Age limit finally lowered to 19, so I'm even closer! But this? This topic sucks. It could lead to the downfall of a lot of stuff.
When I say my goal has been to be on Sasuke/ANW, I mean the 4 stage format, where you train to conquer Midoryama, and if you don't, you come back next year with that fire in your soul. If I don't win, I don't win. It is a shame that competitors are losing the spirit of what Sasuke started back in 1997 and are focusing more on the money.
On the flip side, I do understand the whole deal with expenses to go to qualifying and Vegas as far as ANW goes. NBC makes them basically pay a whole bunch to fly to different spots, and if they don't beat Stage 4, they've lost money. I get that, that sucks. Do I think something should be changed? Yes. Especially since handfuls of people are putting their lives into owning gyms, training every day, and using their gyms to make a living. I can imagine it isn't the highest paying thing, but also not the lowest. The problem is, with Ninja vs. Ninja taking 2 weeks off of their work and the ANW athletes having to pay to fly to different spots to shoot the show, it's just more money the competitors are losing, hence the frustration.
I just wish the show was for fun, but now it's consumed peoples' lives. And while that's okay, as it isn't hurting anyone's mental health, there are some financial problems that can come with it. It's tough. I'm hoping this dispute will be settled soon, because I don't want anything to happen to ANW. I know the Australian Ninja Warrior audience feels the same way, but not so much the competitors...yet. Next thing you know, Ninja Warrior will die, and my dream may very well be crushed. I do, however, believe Sasuke will still be standing, but fade after.
Do I want this? Heck no! But do I think it could happen? Yes. And if it does, I'm just gonna unplug from obstacle courses. Yes there will be team or solo competitions like NNL, Wolfpack, Ultimate Beastmaster, etc. But I want to be on Ninja Warrior, where you beat the 4 stages, and if it's racing people, I wouldn't do it. Call me picky, but it's just my opinion. It wouldn't be Ninja Warrior anymore. That's my personal opinion. I want the spirit of Ninja Warrior to be preserved, and not corrupted by topics like the one Joe Moravsky has brought up.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 31, 2017 22:57:36 GMT -5
I don't think either side is completely right in this debate here. I believe that Ninja Warrior will die, and obstacle course shows are mostly going to fizzle out in the next 6-7 years. However, that (hopefully) will leave a big gap for groups like NNL and WolfPack to invent a new type of obstacle course competition with completely original ideas and then grow that into a sport. Ninja Warrior will die everywhere except japan in the next half-decade, that leaves a lot of obstacle gyms without a purpose, ATS will probably be out of a job, and many people just loving getting fit with obstacles (yes, they exist, they aren't all in it for fame) craving something to do. There are a lot of possibilities here that could be taken advantage of. Think of it as growing a garden using the ashes when the dumpster fire is done burning. ATS likely won't die, they just will probably lose their biggest payday, they've been a Hollywood rigging company and would continue to be that, hell if you go to their website while ANW (and international spinoffs) are their biggest deal, they've been involved with other major realities shows like The Amazing Race, Big Brother and somehow The Bachelor ironically enough. Unless the entire TV business dies with ANW they're still fine, just probably not AS well off as they would be |
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Post by arsenette on Jan 1, 2018 5:40:36 GMT -5
As usual when this topic comes you get the kids that fail to see the forest for the trees. This is a business and NBC will not pay competitors to show up when they have a revolving door of volunteers behind them. They don’t have the crutch of having to pay talent fees outside of the production crew that usually saddle other television programs. The idea that anyone thinks they are bigger than the show fail to see the formula that allowed that kind of exposure and borders on arrogance. Joe clearly forgot that.
As for the sports thing TBS has gone on record saying it won’t let the license become one. Everyone around the world pays a license fee to even use the name. So no it won’t become a sport despite dreams. There’s nothing wrong with being inspired by something to get you motivated for health and overall improvement but you need to understand that this is television and designed to inspire dreams. Maybe it will inspire you to take up a real sport and compete on the world stage or just be a better person that is positive and healthy. Nothing wrong with that, but arguing about something pointless and already decided is ignoring the fact that this is reality television created for entertainment purposes by companies whose sole purpose is to make money. Once they find that the cost is higher than their profit then they will move on. This is their show and trust me that they will not allow others to make money when it belongs to them. NNL and wolf pack know that and are careful to do their things with NBCs blessing. The second they don’t it will stop.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jan 1, 2018 7:17:34 GMT -5
I think people expecting the shows to become sports are kidding themselves: shows are owned by companies who view them as a money making product.
But I also think it's cynical to see the people whose lives have changed and the gyms (essentially an infrastructure) as tied to the success of the shows. Ninja Warrior and even obstacle course shows may die but to say that obstacles as a whole will die out is insane. Obstacle course racing is its own seperate entity and this whole OCS bubble has had a clear effect.The show is a drop in an ocean but the ripples are clear.
Oh, and look at now compared to ten years ago. ANW hadn't started and Sasuke was also declining. Kunoichi was dead. Yeah the shows can't last forever but for now we're still in a golden age of popularity and shows overall. We have Sasuke, Kunoichi, ANW and its specials, Ninja vs Ninja, countless international spinoffs, Beastmaster and more and that isn't even counting the fan comps that'll go on regardless of the state of those shows. Overall it makes zero sense to, right now, be spreading pessimism and a doomsday mentality around. Give it another 2-3 years and then we'll talk, but right now the symptoms are practically non existent.
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Post by kianmike on Jan 1, 2018 13:32:07 GMT -5
I mean,I still have plans on applying for ANW in Fall 2020,and I quite honestly don't see that as a moneymaking issue.I have YouTube and Twitch for that.Anyways,I think if I get my opportunity,I'm gonna use my opportunity to promote/plug the fan-made Ninja market as much as possible,because,I feel that the fan market is a really understated SASUKE/Ninja Warrior market.I mean,people have innovated in a variety of ways,from Roblox,to Halo,to Java,to Minecraft,to Google Docs (  ),etc. So I think it's something that more people should talk about.And in case you weren't aware,I'm planning on making a living with the fan market (via YouTube/Twitch),so it really is unfortunate that more people don't talk about it.This might be irrelevant to this thread,but I just wanted to throw it out there. |
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Post by chase247 on Jan 1, 2018 15:21:30 GMT -5
I think people expecting the shows to become sports are kidding themselves: shows are owned by companies who view them as a money making product. But I also think it's cynical to see the people whose lives have changed and the gyms (essentially an infrastructure) as tied to the success of the shows. Ninja Warrior and even obstacle course shows may die but to say that obstacles as a whole will die out is insane. Obstacle course racing is its own seperate entity and this whole OCS bubble has had a clear effect.The show is a drop in an ocean but the ripples are clear. Oh, and look at now compared to ten years ago. ANW hadn't started and Sasuke was also declining. Kunoichi was dead. Yeah the shows can't last forever but for now we're still in a golden age of popularity and shows overall. We have Sasuke, Kunoichi, ANW and its specials, Ninja vs Ninja, countless international spinoffs, Beastmaster and more and that isn't even counting the fan comps that'll go on regardless of the state of those shows. Overall it makes zero sense to, right now, be spreading pessimism and a doomsday mentality around. Give it another 2-3 years and then we'll talk, but right now the symptoms are practically non existent. Exactly. Personally I never really thought obstacle course racing would become a "sport" since it really just didn't make sense to me, at least with the format of it all. However, I do think that the spirit/ idea of doing obstacles and utilizing certain strength that not a lot of other sports use will certainly live on for quite some time. Even if all of these obstacle course shows go away, I think they will have made enough of an impact to keep the general idea going. As for me, that's all I care about. I don't need money or fame or whatever, just obstacle course related things in general make me happy. |
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Post by arsenette on Jan 1, 2018 20:25:23 GMT -5
I think the reason I'm so glum about it is that I lived through the obstacle course show craze from the 1980's. That was EVERYWHERE and I took part in it in my youth. Then all of a sudden everyone got tired of it after about 10 years and people moved on to the next shiny thing. I see the symptoms of it now so I'm familiar with it. Also having been covering this show for 10 years and knowing the political stuff in the background and how they feel about the show gives me so much anxiety that I finally stopped supporting it. I cringe when I hear kids grow up these days keep calling it a sport when in 5 years they will find something else to do. It's the same pattern and even on SMF you have seen die-hards that used to live Sasuke with every fiber of their being now totally burned out and left the community. Sasuke alone has been going on for 20 years and here in the USA it's been 11 years. Once the marathoning was over and it went back to the grind.. people just started to lose interest. Around the world this is new - but it won't be for long and once people see past the veneer and shiny new packaging they will realize what the rest of us have already known. That's why I'm cynical.
As for the reason for this thread - it's not surprising and that's why I said what I said about wanting to use this show to make money should take a good hard look at themselves. Joe is not the only one who feels this way and it's a symptom of a much larger problem. Those who have quit their jobs to compete in a reality show then suddenly realize what they signed up for is not what they envisioned are not calling foul. I think it's incredibly naive and arrogant to think that they are bigger than the show because it doesn't support a wife and kids without turning into a celebrity. Ninja Warriors are not celebrities and despite what Joe Moravsky thinks they never will be. They are reality stars who haven't made it into Hollywood. If that's what they want they need to own up to it and get on the Hollywood way of life. Otherwise it's insulting to everyone else who just loves the show and do it as a past-time.
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Post by cobrinha on Jan 3, 2018 11:10:05 GMT -5
At first ninja warrior needs some international association like ATP in tennis or PDC in darts. This association should organize some inernational competitions to be held at least every month.
Secondly, this association should pay ninjas for participation in competitions. Many ninjas in US have a lot of sponzores, but when I look to Japan - there are normal people, who go to work and train after it.
Without some association, which will not be under channel like NBC or TBS, ninja warrior can not become a sport.
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Post by narcissus1916 on Jan 4, 2018 2:37:19 GMT -5
Hey Arsenette,
What was the obstacle course crazy in the 90s? Curious to know what shows led the charge, as I could always use a dose or three of nostalgia.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 4, 2018 7:26:54 GMT -5
Hey Arsenette, What was the obstacle course crazy in the 90s? Curious to know what shows led the charge, as I could always use a dose or three of nostalgia. Earlier than that.  I grew up in the 1970's and the 3 major networks created the Battle of the Network Stars that ran in every channel for several years going into the 1980's. The sports craze became huge after the Olympics (with Nadia Comaneci) and we had a LOT of variety shows that started to include challenges (similar to stuff in Banzuke) and then Battle of the Networks Stars spawned offshots of each other. What people today might not understand about this is that the people IN the shows were HUGE stars in their prime. That stuff is rare today and usually the ones that do stuff like that are smaller stars or those up and coming. Going into the 1980's you had stuff like American Gladiators as well along with a lot of one-off stuff that ran in the network channels. Japan had Takeshi's Castle (MXC) dominating television for almost 2 decades. People forget that there weren't a lot of channels so the saturation seemed obscenely huge since the only channels you had access to had their version of stuff on television running in Prime Time. I was a kid into my teen years and ate that stuff up. Now with several hundred channels it seems different so the speed in which crazes last are radically different when the viewing pool was dominated by 3 channels competing with each other. |
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Feb 19, 2018 15:46:29 GMT -5
So is there prize money for winning TNW? If no, then should there be?
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Post by Messup434 on Feb 19, 2018 18:41:09 GMT -5
I think it's $10,000 for the winning team. Which seems right to me.
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Post by SasukeForever on Feb 20, 2018 0:27:36 GMT -5
I think it's $10,000 for the winning team. Which seems right to me. Is the $10K for each member of split as $3333 for the all 3? |
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Post by 2D2Will on Mar 13, 2018 17:36:14 GMT -5
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Post by edrider5 on Mar 13, 2018 19:33:02 GMT -5
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),etc. So I think it's something that more people should talk about.And in case you weren't aware,I'm planning on making a living with the fan market (via YouTube/Twitch),so it really is unfortunate that more people don't talk about it.This might be irrelevant to this thread,but I just wanted to throw it out there.
I grew up in the 1970's and the 3 major networks created the Battle of the Network Stars that ran in every channel for several years going into the 1980's. The sports craze became huge after the Olympics (with Nadia Comaneci) and we had a LOT of variety shows that started to include challenges (similar to stuff in Banzuke) and then Battle of the Networks Stars spawned offshots of each other. What people today might not understand about this is that the people IN the shows were HUGE stars in their prime. That stuff is rare today and usually the ones that do stuff like that are smaller stars or those up and coming. Going into the 1980's you had stuff like American Gladiators as well along with a lot of one-off stuff that ran in the network channels. Japan had Takeshi's Castle (MXC) dominating television for almost 2 decades. People forget that there weren't a lot of channels so the saturation seemed obscenely huge since the only channels you had access to had their version of stuff on television running in Prime Time. I was a kid into my teen years and ate that stuff up. Now with several hundred channels it seems different so the speed in which crazes last are radically different when the viewing pool was dominated by 3 channels competing with each other.
