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Post by greenday61892 on Nov 25, 2017 9:30:10 GMT -5
Any new word on this?
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Post by edrider5 on Nov 25, 2017 11:59:05 GMT -5
I was at the taping for two of those days unfornately I was unable to get any info from anyone.
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Post by anwsuperfan on Dec 26, 2017 9:24:26 GMT -5
Pretty much what others have said, this is what Joe said on Reddit:
MasterJoe07 6 points 5 days ago Sorry for the lack of updates. I essentially got yelled at for even posting. Here’s the deal, contract was terrible, compensation was a joke, myself and others are sick of making them millions for nearly no compensation. I’ll be back for ANW but not without changes to the contracts we sign. We ninjas are sticking together.
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Post by Messup434 on Dec 26, 2017 10:54:22 GMT -5
I miss the good old G4 days. It was a real show back then. The people competing on the show dedicated their time (but not their whole life) to the show. They worked hard but never expected that the show was going to pay them for their existence.
About every ninja Instagram post is some sort of product-placement (advertising shirts from another ninja or some company that makes ninja stuff). It no longer has any Sasuke spirit from its own stars which really sucks to see.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 26, 2017 11:36:50 GMT -5
I miss the good old G4 days. It was a real show back then. The people competing on the show dedicated their time (but not their whole life) to the show. They worked hard but never expected that the show was going to pay them for their existence. About every ninja Instagram post is some sort of product-placement (advertising shirts from another ninja or some company that makes ninja stuff). It no longer has any Sasuke spirit from its own stars which really sucks to see. I mean back in the G4 days there was a Japan trip that's a good carrot on the stick, now ANW is really common in the sense you know you have to pay for your trip to regionals, and on top of that the show has gotten so specialized and you almost have to go to gyms to train, which isn't free either. It's hard to be all about the spirit of the show when it's just a huge money sink you have to devote most of your time to to stand a chance
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Post by Messup434 on Dec 26, 2017 17:25:32 GMT -5
I know but that’s just what I miss about the old days. Sure, they wanted their trip to Japan, but that’s less greedy than expecting bags of money for showing up on a show. Plus the trip to Japan was a prize, not a given.
Sorry but this ninja “union” thing really doesn’t sit well with me.😒
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Post by c0balt on Dec 27, 2017 1:23:33 GMT -5
I know but that’s just what I miss about the old days. Sure, they wanted their trip to Japan, but that’s less greedy than expecting bags of money for showing up on a show. Plus the trip to Japan was a prize, not a given. Sorry but this ninja “union” thing really doesn’t sit well with me.😒 I don't think any of them want "bags of money" to shoot ninja vs ninja you have to take about 2 weeks off work. I know that a few of the ninjas that did not go did so because literally could not afford to. Greed would be NBC not the ninjas. Also look at the old days, those courses are a joke now. To be a top ninja (which is what they need for ninja vs ninja) you have to invest your life into this. The fact that this "invite" to a team vs team show would cause them to lose money on top of what they give up to go to qualifiers (which they now have started shooting mid week) and vegas you are looking at more than what most people get in vacation/sick time to only do ninja not to mention time it takes to train and keep in condition to be competitive. It not sitting well with you is disgusting and you are part of the HUGE problem that is seriously hurting this as a sport.
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Post by Messup434 on Dec 27, 2017 9:38:37 GMT -5
I know but that’s just what I miss about the old days. Sure, they wanted their trip to Japan, but that’s less greedy than expecting bags of money for showing up on a show. Plus the trip to Japan was a prize, not a given. Sorry but this ninja “union” thing really doesn’t sit well with me.😒 I don't think any of them want "bags of money" to shoot ninja vs ninja you have to take about 2 weeks off work. I know that a few of the ninjas that did not go did so because literally could not afford to. Greed would be NBC not the ninjas. Also look at the old days, those courses are a joke now. To be a top ninja (which is what they need for ninja vs ninja) you have to invest your life into this. The fact that this "invite" to a team vs team show would cause them to lose money on top of what they give up to go to qualifiers (which they now have started shooting mid week) and vegas you are looking at more than what most people get in vacation/sick time to only do ninja not to mention time it takes to train and keep in condition to be competitive. It not sitting well with you is disgusting and you are part of the HUGE problem that is seriously hurting this as a sport. Huh? The first two paragraphs are a great read (thanks for your input and discussing it), but we’re on a forum and you call my opinion “disgusting” in the last paragraph. -‘Anyway, I will admit that I failed to fully explain my thought-process here. I know it very much cane across as me blaming the competitors, but I mainly blame the show for the way it’s become. Month-long walk-on lines, trying to erase the show’a history (namely the first four seasons before we had Matt and Akbar) and opening stands outside of all the live tapings in hopes of selling ninja merchandise are all examples of stuff that NBC has done wrong. And there’s far more! I’m mainly trying to explain that the show as a whole was a lot better in my eyes on G4, before it was well-known. It wasn’t as serious then and people didn’t have to spend day in and day out training on each and every obstacle. They even had joke-competitors and a ton of people show up in costumes. Plus, being on a smaller network we were able to see the hosts being mean. NBC has to be PC as a major channel, whereas G4 was able to say what they wanted (and it’s not like they ever went truly over-the-line anyway). The program as a whole was just more real back then. Anyway, (back to what started my rant the other day ) I do find some competitors on this show to be too cocky and they expect the show to carry them, when it’s simply the truth that NBC is carrying them. I guess as the show progresses, the course has to as well or everyone would beat it, but it has made it so that ninjas aren’t everyday people but all ninja coaches or the like. If anyone is lost by this post, the main idea is that I’m not the biggest fan of ANW being on a big network channel (yes, I know G4 isn’t around anymore)!
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Post by dudesky1000 on Dec 27, 2017 10:11:57 GMT -5
This whole thread is hilarious and makes me so happy I left the ANW dream behind long ago. How exhausting and absurd this whole thing has become!
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Post by c0balt on Dec 27, 2017 13:49:57 GMT -5
Mvs you were quite clear both times that it is the ninja trying to sell things on Instagram or expecting bags of money and also leaning heavily on in the old days when they "worked hard" and didn't ecpect money.
This is what NBC feeds the audience to sell their passion without any gains as a virtue. But there is real value now in what they do and they work HARDER now.
If the audience starts wanting obstacle course racing to stop being semi scripted reality and evolve into something more you need to show NBC that the value is the people pushing the sport and not some dog story (lol auto corrected sob into dog, how appropriate).
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Post by Matt Midoriyama on Dec 28, 2017 16:54:41 GMT -5
I think the NBC cash cow is distracting most people from the greater future of the sport. Vision, contacts and some cash is needed in Sasuke making the next logical steps which are already being hinted at all over the place.
I am talking of coursr about it becoming a full blown sport with local competitions, national competitions and an official world championship.
The interest is there within the ninja community. Countries are trying out world competitions. The national ninja league is growing and there are exhibitions selling enough tickets to make it financially viable.
KuroOvi has taken baby steps away from traditional media and both Sasuke and ANW are shown all over the world.
Netflix have a popular international competition.
Semiprofessional ninjas being allowed sponsorhip deals, or full time ninjas as some are now...
Maybe only the finals will be prime time tv but they will sell around the world.
ANW days may be numbered (US tv stations being so fickle and nbc are over milking and not being at all strategic with scheduling) but the long term future should be much much brighter.
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Post by sosninja on Dec 28, 2017 18:16:24 GMT -5
I think it is really important to separate ANW from Ninja vs. Ninja. ANW is marketed as "Who can beat this course and win $1 Million?" while Ninja vs. Ninja is billed as "Look, these people are competing, please watch me!". Because the show is completely built from the ground up for using populatity, payment becomes a serious issue, almost like NBC is using the brand of (insert here). (Examples: Real Life Ninja, Kingdom Ninja, The Weatherman, etc.) Yes, ANW built them, but they are now "professionals" and deserve payment for the show. ANW is a completely diferent matter that can be discussed at a later time. The real issue here is if the company (NBC) has the rights to use the brand's (Ninja's) popularity to produce a show without compensating the brand (Ninja) for it's usage in the show.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 29, 2017 1:58:40 GMT -5
We've had the conversation of whether competing in a reality show quantifies being in a "real sport". As much as people are upset by it, Ninja Warrior will NEVER be a sport. NBC knows that. The lure of the original show was being on Sasuke and that is long gone. Besides.. who in Sasuke has become famous and gotten paid? The show is 20 years old and NO one gets paid unless you were already a celeb to begin with. That dream that is replaced now is the lure of winning a million dollars and being famous on a reality show. That's it. It's not a sport despite how difficult it is to be on the show. The show is cast by Hollywood and not qualified or vetted outside of a basic line saying they won't get sued if you get a heart attack and you can't sue them for injuries while on their courses and not under any official sports governing body. Without that it can't be classified as a sport. Spartan isn't, Mud Rudder or any other OCR isn't either. There's nothing to unionize since celebrities already have a union - that's called the Screen Actor's Guild (called SAG for short). If people really want this illusive equal protection while performing on a television show they should become a celebrity, sign up with SAG, get an agent and go that route. Expecting this to become a sport like it would for the Olympics would require the USOC (The United States Olympic Committee) to take over the entire operation which it won't since this is a television show with casting rules and under the jurisdiction of the FCC. Those who understand this premise have already left the show to make careers of their own with their new-found fame or left the harsh lights of Hollywood altogether (like Kacy and Geoff) or perform under those conditions (like Jessie who already has her SAG card).
The rest are stuck in limbo because they are in denial about the truth - THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. You will be easily replaced. There is not war. This is why Joe was shut down almost immediately. There's a line of over 75,000 people ready to replace them all and with the age restriction lowered they just added hungrier and more talented kids who will grow up under a system that will never include the old Sasuke spirit. To deny that is denying the existence of gravity. NBC doesn't care and if they determine that people are "getting greedy" they will just do what they did to Isaac Caldiero - they will show you the door.
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Post by Matt Midoriyama on Dec 29, 2017 5:31:53 GMT -5
You make some good points Arsenette but I think you are wrong about the key point. Yes Sasuke has had 20 years and not gone professional but that was before the major global interest and in a very different era. ANW has changed the landscape and alternative media has opened new avenues as has the online marketing and sales opportunities.
There are more and more ninja gyms opening around the world and the Wolfpack are leading the way in taking events away from television.
All it would take is a Barry Hearn type to get involved and the sky is the limit. The infrastructure is already in place for a global set of tournaments, sponsors are ready to jump on board. Perhaps Europe needs to lead the way initially until NBC totally destroy their franchise.
But mark my words, in 10 years time it will be a fully fledged sport.
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Post by kianmike on Dec 29, 2017 9:40:03 GMT -5
TBH,I don’t know how to go about this.I mean,this might be SOMEWHAT irrelevant,but I’ve always compared NBC to Nintendo,in that they almost never listen to viewer feedback,the show is targeted to casuals while abandoning their hardcore audience completely,and if they DO listen to viewer feedback,they fix very few of them only to create other nitpicks.Then again,despite what Arsenette said,NBC could pull a “Nintendo in 2017” and make some big,well-received changes.I mean,we’ve already seen the age limit get lowered,which was well-received by TONS of people.That may have been done solely for the sake of sob-story farming,but it was well-received.And considering that they lost Joe,Drew,and Jessie in Ninja vs. Ninja,maybe that means that they’ll be making even MORE big changes in 2018.I mean,ANW10 IS going to be an anniversary tournament,after all (I mean,technically both seasons 10 and 11 could be considered as anniversary tournaments,’cause Season 10 is the 10th anniversary going by number of seasons,and 11 is the 10th anniversary going by number of years on the air since ANW1 in 2009).It might be too early to tell,but it might be best to be cautiously optimistic.
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Post by sosninja on Dec 29, 2017 10:32:53 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't have a problem with ANW (as a show owned by NBC) dying in the near future because there will actually be good results from it. Netflix already has Ulimate Beastmaster, which say what you will about the obstacles and if they are harder or easier, they already take out the sob story portion to a bare minimum and give you information about the competitors, so it is a minor step up. I think the NNL could easily power grab the spot for obstacle course experience because of the following reasons: 1. They already have a YouTube presence, although small and mediocre. 2. They already have a set of gyms willing to hold qualifiers. 3. They give tons of shots to big and small competitors because of the amount of qualifiers. If the NNL decided to launch a patreon or other crowdfunding, and use the money to hire good announcers (hey, Evan Dollard already does wolfpack, he could be one) and use good cameras to livestream everything, it could spawn a grassroots revolution among the ninja landscape. You could then grow the NNL into the sport we all dream of happening someday.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 30, 2017 3:07:33 GMT -5
You make some good points Arsenette but I think you are wrong about the key point. Yes Sasuke has had 20 years and not gone professional but that was before the major global interest and in a very different era. ANW has changed the landscape and alternative media has opened new avenues as has the online marketing and sales opportunities. There are more and more ninja gyms opening around the world and the Wolfpack are leading the way in taking events away from television. All it would take is a Barry Hearn type to get involved and the sky is the limit. The infrastructure is already in place for a global set of tournaments, sponsors are ready to jump on board. Perhaps Europe needs to lead the way initially until NBC totally destroy their franchise. But mark my words, in 10 years time it will be a fully fledged sport. Sadly I do think you are mistaken. The era of Ninja Warrior is waning. It's so saturated in the market now that the stock is flooded and going down. The only ones yearning for it are those who want to get into the show to make their mark and become "famous". It's the age old Hollywood dream. I don't fault people for wanting that. Those who do usually forget that it's ugly and dark inside that world. Everything always looks great from the outside. As for events.. everyone seems to be forgetting about the American Ninja Warrior experience that is about to debut. It's officially licensed and has the build team and the major competitors from the show. All others will stay in the background until NBC no longer has use for them. So far they are under the radar because they pose no threat and they do free advertising for them. The second it does it will go down like the rest of the things that were squashed well before their time. Hell.. They have successfully squashed Sasuke in the USA. People forget that. You can thank the peacock network for that eradication.
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Post by Matt Midoriyama on Dec 30, 2017 6:53:23 GMT -5
Like I have said, it just needs a little vision. You are looking at ANW alone. You have to look beyond the current situation and look at future possibilities.
Ninja doesn't need million dollar prizes. Look at how darts, cricket, even climbing have evolved recently. Forget about reality tv.
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Post by Matt Midoriyama on Dec 30, 2017 7:14:32 GMT -5
Oh and for the record your assumptions are generalisations are very ill informed and naive. The only people interested are those wanting to become famous? That is ridiculous!!!
ANW inspired me to get fit again. I joined a bouldering gym and will be visiting all sorts of other gyms, ice climbing, jump gym, ocr gyms, etc. The idea of getting fit and strong using only your own body weight really spoke to me.
My goal is to first be able to clear 4 obstacles, then be able to clear the first 6.
I have no interest in being on tv and if the only option for me to be able to test myself against a course (no ninja gyms in Holland yet) then I would do ninja warrior nl but ask not to be featured if possible.
Do you think I am alone in the world on this thinking? Did all the climbers and parcour guys all start their passion because they knew in the future there would be this new show called ANW? If so then give me their crystal ball.
Of course a lot of people are sold by the reality tv brainwashing that is crippling our planet. But these are the minority.
The future will happen mate, it is inevitable.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 30, 2017 11:58:01 GMT -5
Like I have said, it just needs a little vision. You are looking at ANW alone. You have to look beyond the current situation and look at future possibilities. I mean the market is over saturated both on and off TV, I mean you have ANW, you have spinoffs as well since you had the USA vs The World and All Star specials airing not too long before the main season started, the Celebrity special and on USA Network you also had season 2 of Team Ninja Warrior running. And that is just official ANW, you also have other obstacle shows popping up trying to capitalize, NBC also has the Spartan Race TV show that they try to shovel in after ANW and present the same way, CBS is doing (or did? I wasn't following it) a Tough Mudder tv show, Netflix has Ultimate Beastmaster, now none of these are knockoffs (Hell, UBM is made by ATS, the construction crew who does ANW), but they're popping up trying to capitalize on the popularity. Off TV you have the American Ninja Warrior Experience coming which is the fan event and I think it has a mini trial comp that everyone has been wanting for ages, you have other big things like the Wolfpack Ninja Tour, NNL and to a lesser degree UNAA (I'm not going to bring up terrible quality here but just the fact it exists). And that's as far as things going around the country, the latter two debatable but bringing big events to gyms that I'll get to, there's gyms everywhere, back in the old days you were hard pressed to find actual obstacles, now there's many Ninja themed gyms all around the country, and you also have other things like Trampoline Parks with basic NW courses, Parkour and Rock Climbing gyms that put NW obstacles into them, they're not hard to find. And this is just stuff that's either touring or up all the time, not factoring in other events that bring in stars of the show like Rockford Ninja Warrior or the Titan of Texas Challenge at the Texas State Fair. There's a huge saturation of the market on and off TV everywhere and even the legit comps are more about the smaller events where it's just "oh can you pay the entry fee? You're in" and it's more the finals that are the actual competition, and it's debatable to call it a sport when you're paying the league for a chance to enter, especially with no governing body that's never going to happen (Hell NNL is the closest we have and even then that's highly flawed and considering it's all based on a TV show it's unofficial anyways) As as far as it being a sport rather than a TV show, Malaysia already tried it and it wasn't as successful as they thought, hell they only bought the Sasuke license a couple of times and pretty much gave up with the idea after that AFAIK
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