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Post by m4tt3r0x on Oct 13, 2017 15:11:43 GMT -5
Salmon Ladder.
Seriously, does this guy ever train for this thing? He's amazing at a lot of things, but this thing has made him him its b**** every single time he has tried it his last 4 attempts. It's not even *that* (using this loosely) hard, and it's not his age - he's always been kinda bad at it, although I'll cut him some slack with Sasuke 18. I know 13 year olds who could probably do the current up-down salmon ladder. His form is just awful going down, and he seems to be just so confident every time he takes it on that this time he'll magically clear it, probably thinking his previous attempts were flukes.
He's always been my favorite Japanese competitor, but god he just doesn't learn from his mistakes. I know he's never been one to train specific obstacles, but if there's one obstacle one builds in their backyard, it's the salmon ladder (maybe the Wall). Maybe he just is genetically predetermined to not be able to do this thing.
I don't know. Has anyone failed the salmon ladder as many times as he has?
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Post by arsenette on Oct 13, 2017 15:19:16 GMT -5
TBH I think it's age but not for the reasons you think.. I think because he debuted the original Salmon Ladder he was always traumatized by it. Instead of just flowing from obstacle to obstacle in an equal pace.. he approaches the salmon ladder via trepidation. He's derped it to painfully failed it to technically failing it to overlooking it. He's failed them all and passed them all but it always plays with his mind. I do believe there is such a thing as wanting it too much to the point of overthinking. Hell.. look at Yuuji (in general).
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Oct 13, 2017 15:30:31 GMT -5
TBH I think it's age but not for the reasons you think.. I think because he debuted the original Salmon Ladder he was always traumatized by it. Instead of just flowing from obstacle to obstacle in an equal pace.. he approaches the salmon ladder via trepidation. He's derped it to painfully failed it to technically failing it to overlooking it. He's failed them all and passed them all but it always plays with his mind. I do believe there is such a thing as wanting it too much to the point of overthinking. Hell.. look at Yuuji (in general). He's faced them all, but has only ever beaten the original (21, 23, 24. Five other times he has gotten owned). I don't know if he has the stamina currently to beat the Stage 2, but it'll never happen at this rate. If you watch him in 33, he even looks gassed out right after beating the "up" portion of it. Upper body stamina and him have never agreed with each other anyway. Salmon Ladder could almost be a Stage 3 obstacle if it wanted to. |
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Post by arsenette on Oct 13, 2017 15:44:36 GMT -5
TBH I think it's age but not for the reasons you think.. I think because he debuted the original Salmon Ladder he was always traumatized by it. Instead of just flowing from obstacle to obstacle in an equal pace.. he approaches the salmon ladder via trepidation. He's derped it to painfully failed it to technically failing it to overlooking it. He's failed them all and passed them all but it always plays with his mind. I do believe there is such a thing as wanting it too much to the point of overthinking. Hell.. look at Yuuji (in general). He's faced them all, but has only ever beaten the original (21, 23, 24. Five other times he has gotten owned). I don't know if he has the stamina currently to beat the Stage 2, but it'll never happen at this rate. If you watch him in 33, he even looks gassed out right after beating the "up" portion of it. Upper body stamina and him have never agreed with each other anyway. Salmon Ladder could almost be a Stage 3 obstacle if it wanted to. Oh 100% agreed. Don't underestimate mental fatigue playing with your body as well. Look at Yuuji who is a 2 time champion. Nagano who is a champion and 5 time finalist.. when the mind is not there your body drags behind. I am under no illusions that Takeda will ever get out of the 3rd stage. Sasuke 24 was his last chance and he choked hard and never recovered. That was his last chance. If anything the experience of it all is what is causing him to flub an obstacle that others have passed with ease because they are not carrying the baggage Takeda is carrying. Definitely it could be argued that it's 100% of his making. Shame because he's one of the best that never got out of the 3rd stage even if he holds the record and possibly will never have anyone remotely come close to. |
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Post by DonalM on Oct 13, 2017 18:34:21 GMT -5
He's faced them all, but has only ever beaten the original (21, 23, 24. Five other times he has gotten owned). I don't know if he has the stamina currently to beat the Stage 2, but it'll never happen at this rate. If you watch him in 33, he even looks gassed out right after beating the "up" portion of it. Upper body stamina and him have never agreed with each other anyway. Salmon Ladder could almost be a Stage 3 obstacle if it wanted to. Oh 100% agreed. Don't underestimate mental fatigue playing with your body as well. Look at Yuuji who is a 2 time champion. Nagano who is a champion and 5 time finalist.. when the mind is not there your body drags behind. I am under no illusions that Takeda will ever get out of the 3rd stage. Sasuke 24 was his last chance and he choked hard and never recovered. That was his last chance. If anything the experience of it all is what is causing him to flub an obstacle that others have passed with ease because they are not carrying the baggage Takeda is carrying. Definitely it could be argued that it's 100% of his making. Shame because he's one of the best that never got out of the 3rd stage even if he holds the record and possibly will never have anyone remotely come close to. I still feel like if Takeda had trained hard for and competed in 27, he could have completed that third stage. |
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Post by arsenette on Oct 13, 2017 20:03:14 GMT -5
I still feel like if Takeda had trained hard for and competed in 27, he could have completed that third stage. Takeda was going through a mid life crisis during that time. No way he was going to be ready for that tournament. |
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Post by Badalight on Oct 14, 2017 4:31:18 GMT -5
Salmon ladder is like 90% mental. If you're not mentally prepared to beat it, you simply won't. It doesn't matter how strong you are, unless you are just insane.
I went from not being able to budge the bar, to being able to complete it with ease in the span of a day. Only difference was I just had to psyche myself up enough. At that point I could barely do 20 pullups, so it's not really physically imposing unless you really don't have the technique to get through it. If that's the case though, you're going to lose too much time to complete the stage anyway.
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