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Post by danielnc on Sept 28, 2017 6:36:50 GMT -5
What are your guys/ gals thoughts on having a first place finisher even if someone doesn't achieve total victory? I know it's not the sasuke tradition but ANW does there own thing in many ways, but seems to stick to the tradition of only having a winner when total victory is achieved. I mainly bring this up bc I was talking to someone who followed this whole season and was very disappointed that there was no winner. She felt like she waisted that whole time and doesn't think she will continue to follow another season. What are your thoughts? I think even last man standing gets 10k would be a nice change. I don't agree with this. I don't mind them calling someone last man standing even if it is a controversial phrase. But someone is not a winner unless they achieve total victory. I think we would be diluting the concept of the show by calling someone a winner when they don't achieve total victory. It's supposed to be a rare thing for someone to win. Total victory is supposed to be a massive accomplishment. I think I would like a middle ground: If there is no total victory, there is no winner. But I would like to see them offer a substantial financial incentive to the last man standing - say, $100,000, or 1/10 of the prize for conquest. The course is designed to not be beaten every year, or even most years. But the top athletes devote their lives to this, and it would be nice to see them get something out of it financially. And it would both be a relatively small portion of the overall production budget, and also so much less than the grand prize that every serious contender would still strive for total victory.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 28, 2017 8:40:08 GMT -5
No. I'm not for consolation prizes.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 28, 2017 11:01:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure which is worse, people who think there should be consolation prizes or the fact getting a free week long vacation to Vegas isn't enough of a consolation prize to some people.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Sept 28, 2017 13:37:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure which is worse, people who think there should be consolation prizes or the fact getting a free week long vacation to Vegas isn't enough of a consolation prize to some people. Uh, how is it free?
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Post by arsenette on Sept 28, 2017 14:06:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure which is worse, people who think there should be consolation prizes or the fact getting a free week long vacation to Vegas isn't enough of a consolation prize to some people. Uh, how is it free? Anyone who qualifies to Vegas gets their transportation and accommodations provided by NBC.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 28, 2017 14:50:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure which is worse, people who think there should be consolation prizes or the fact getting a free week long vacation to Vegas isn't enough of a consolation prize to some people. Uh, how is it free? NBC pays your travel if you make it to Vegas, I guess you can make an argument against it being "free" if you have pay to go to the regional but the people going expect that's just for that, if they move on NBC pays for the Vegas trip. Some game shows you go on and you're lucky if you win a trip to Vegas, ANW you get that just for making it to the finals
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Post by kid0h on Sept 28, 2017 15:25:41 GMT -5
NBC pays your travel if you make it to Vegas, I guess you can make an argument against it being "free" if you have pay to go to the regional but the people going expect that's just for that, if they move on NBC pays for the Vegas trip. Some game shows you go on and you're lucky if you win a trip to Vegas, ANW you get that just for making it to the finals Making it to vegas the past 2 years I can easily say there is no vacation when going to Vegas. Yes they pay for your flight and room (until you hit the water, then that is on you if you want to stay longer) but you also have to be places for interviews, B roll, group photos, and physical. So the two days prior you roughly spend 8 hours a day waiting around doing these sorts of things. Once you fall in the water either it being stage 1-4 you end up losing your room. The only way to keep your room longer is to get selected for a special (which is no guarantee) Also you have think of all the people who have normal jobs and have to take the time off work as vacation. It's actually pretty terrible. On another side note I don't necessarily feel they should give money to the last man standing, but I think American viewers are use to some sort of "winner" and ANW does treat there last man standing as that. When I think of lost viewers I think that since there isn't a winner why even invest 16 weeks of your life following it. I also do think we will have a winner season 10 so hopefully that helps.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 28, 2017 15:48:22 GMT -5
I mean there was a degree of joking when I made my initial comment, my main point is no consolation prize needed
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Post by arsenette on Sept 28, 2017 16:10:46 GMT -5
I mean there was a degree of joking when I made my initial comment, my main point is no consolation prize needed While true.. it's still a television show. This is why so many people quit along the way because the only ones who have stuck around so much have jobs in the entertainment business or rearrange their lives around the hope of getting their break to stay in that business. Neither are conducive to an actual productive life. Be happy that something is done that way.. Japan never paid jack to begin with. Not even Drew who had to fly on his own, pay for his own way, pay for his transportation, food, everything for him and April for a week with almost no time to prepare because TBS are a**es.. and NBC were just as bad by allowing that to happen to someone who should have been their star. Hell.. Nagano laughs because he is happy he's doing commentary because he said "HA! At least I'm paid this time!".. and that's after 15 years.
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Post by hashtagswag on Oct 2, 2017 15:13:38 GMT -5
Ive watched sasuke for years and i know all about the whole total victory prize money thing ... i still feel the last man standing should get atleast about 10 k .. i know you guys arent in favour of consolation prizes ...but these guys pour their heart and soul into anw like any pro sportsmen does .to some of them it isnt even about the cool mill at the top of the tower .joe did incredibly well and fought hard to make it to the time bombs considering the results of the other big guns .id reckon give him something small just for sheer heart alone.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 2, 2017 23:40:31 GMT -5
Ive watched sasuke for years and i know all about the whole total victory prize money thing ... i still feel the last man standing should get atleast about 10 k .. i know you guys arent in favour of consolation prizes ...but these guys pour their heart and soul into anw like any pro sportsmen does .to some of them it isnt even about the cool mill at the top of the tower .joe did incredibly well and fought hard to make it to the time bombs considering the results of the other big guns .id reckon give him something small just for sheer heart alone. True but it's been proven that they do get something for each stage.. everyone's making it seem like they get zilch. As for pro sportsman, it's a show with celebs and the sponsors pay for that - it's not an open event and everyone is invited because of their fame. TBH that's apples and oranges. ANW is a show with 600+ competitors over 4 months... NBC ain't paying that when they already pay for 100+ competitors going to Vegas. I know this sounds harsh.. but none of you are celebrities. If you want to be paid, get an agent and become an entertainer. Follow what Kacy did.
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Post by Tobbizz on Oct 3, 2017 1:20:56 GMT -5
Ive watched sasuke for years and i know all about the whole total victory prize money thing ... i still feel the last man standing should get atleast about 10 k .. i know you guys arent in favour of consolation prizes ...but these guys pour their heart and soul into anw like any pro sportsmen does .to some of them it isnt even about the cool mill at the top of the tower .joe did incredibly well and fought hard to make it to the time bombs considering the results of the other big guns .id reckon give him something small just for sheer heart alone. Getting money for losing isn't really what the show is about. The course is the only opponent and should stay like that or else the whole concept is gone imo.
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Post by danielnc on Oct 3, 2017 4:34:25 GMT -5
Ive watched sasuke for years and i know all about the whole total victory prize money thing ... i still feel the last man standing should get atleast about 10 k .. i know you guys arent in favour of consolation prizes ...but these guys pour their heart and soul into anw like any pro sportsmen does .to some of them it isnt even about the cool mill at the top of the tower .joe did incredibly well and fought hard to make it to the time bombs considering the results of the other big guns .id reckon give him something small just for sheer heart alone. Getting money for losing isn't really what the show is about. The course is the only opponent and should stay like that or else the whole concept is gone imo. They already pay something competitors who finish the fastest (and, I think, the top 3) in the city regionals and finals. Although this is a little different than "last man standing," I'd be equally happy if they paid the top three on stage 1, stage 2, and (if applicable) stage 3 something. Those, at least, can be fairly said to be legitimate athletic accomplishments and not consolation prizes.
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Post by Tobbizz on Oct 3, 2017 10:34:39 GMT -5
Getting money for losing isn't really what the show is about. The course is the only opponent and should stay like that or else the whole concept is gone imo. They already pay something competitors who finish the fastest (and, I think, the top 3) in the city regionals and finals. Although this is a little different than "last man standing," I'd be equally happy if they paid the top three on stage 1, stage 2, and (if applicable) stage 3 something. Those, at least, can be fairly said to be legitimate athletic accomplishments and not consolation prizes. The qualifiers and semis is not the actual course, just to qualify for the Vegas course where the real stuff begins.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 3, 2017 12:47:35 GMT -5
Remember also that the money comes from the sponsors. The reason Geoff was stiffed from getting ANYTHING was because the sponsor outright refused to do so even in the face of worldwide criticism. I doubt NBC pushed either but this also should be included in the conversation.
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Post by SuperTiger on Oct 3, 2017 16:00:22 GMT -5
I feel like this is getting quite off topic, however I really don't see the argument for a consolation prize. I'm not disagreeing the competitors don't put the work in, but Rider pretty much hit the nail on the head about their Vegas trip being paid for which is consolation enough. Keep in mind that while the general audience may classify ANW as a reality show, that its contract states it is a game show. The only "game shows" off the top of my head that pay all their players are Survivor and Big Brother. Those situations are a whole lot different because the cast is away from their real life for an extended period of time. (around 7 weeks and 4 months respectively)
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Post by anime boy on Oct 7, 2017 19:13:26 GMT -5
Here's our final stats of the year Las Vegas Results Stage 1 People who didn't even compete: 4 (Nick Patel, Jackson Meyer, Jeremiah Morgan, Charlie Andrews) Snake Run: 6 Fails Propeller Bar: 7 Fails 2x Dipper: 19 fails (19 because Dan Galiczynski confirmed this was the obs he got injured on) Jumping Spider: 11 fails Parkour Run: 0 fails (smh) Warped Wall: 0 fails Domino Pipes: 2 Fails Flying Squirrel: 8 fails To'd on cargo: 2 Clears: 41 (Fastest Clear: Drew Drechsel)
Stage 2 Giant Ring Swing: 2 fails CrissCross Salmon Ladder: 3 fails Wave Runner: 7 fails Swing Surfer: 2 fails Wingnut Alley: 24 Fails Wall Flip: 0 fails Clears: 3 (Fastest Clear: Joe Moravsky)
Stage 3 Floating Boards: 0 fails Keylock Hang: 0 fails NailClippers: 0 fails Ultimate Cliffhanger: 2 fails Curved Body Prop: 0 fails Peg Clouds: 0 fails Time Bombs: 1 fail Flying Bar: N/A (Not attempted) Clears: 0 (Last man standing: Joe Moravsky)
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