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Post by hashtagswag on Apr 14, 2017 13:20:56 GMT -5
So what are you guys thoughts on the flying bar in stage 3 ..are you guys a fan of it or not ? (Especially that early on ...and now combining it with the sidewinder)
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Post by Klorel439 on Apr 14, 2017 20:47:49 GMT -5
I don't like it as the second obstacle, and with the support on it makes it even worse. It could work as the last obstacle, but honestly, I would rather it be replaced with the jumping bars.
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Post by gt4dom on Apr 14, 2017 23:11:50 GMT -5
I'd rather it be put in Stage 2 replacing the Salmon Ladder tbh, Stage 3 should be about upper body not precision
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 15, 2017 0:13:46 GMT -5
I like it, I prefer it as the last obstacle though, and I hate that stupid obstruction line they added in 33 (I can't even call it a safety line since it doesn't even have that function as evidenced by Jun bringing the bar down with him anyways), hell in fact I hate the Sasuke construction of it anyways, it slides around way too much, I might get hatemail around here for saying ANW did something better than Sasuke, but I like the ATS build of the Flying Bar way more than the Monster9 or TBS/Folcom version... instead of that sliding mess it has that gritty rubber foam thingy stuff in the cradles and it controls the bar so it goes back to the main function it's supposed to have  |
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Apr 15, 2017 2:00:22 GMT -5
^ It worked perfectly in Sasuke 27.
I don't really like it for the current 3rd stage. The aesthetics for it are awful and its placement in the stage is terrible. I have no idea what the new design actually does to it, but I'd rather watch people repeatedly fail the UCCH than that.
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Post by TCM on Apr 15, 2017 2:20:14 GMT -5
I would prefer it to be the last obstacle but I don't understand what was wrong with the 27/32 version. 32's problem was weather which can affect every obstacle and its on production to not have a viable alternative to offset weather. There's just enough technique to trip someone up who isn't careful but if you have it down you should always clear it. I don't mind having the bar slide in the cradle, I think that's part of the technique. Ishikawa failed in 27 because he swung out too much.
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Post by TaylorTheSolitudeEnthusiast on Apr 15, 2017 7:30:34 GMT -5
I would prefer it to be the last obstacle but I don't understand what was wrong with the 27/32 version. 32's problem was weather which can affect every obstacle and its on production to not have a viable alternative to offset weather. There's just enough technique to trip someone up who isn't careful but if you have it down you should always clear it. I don't mind having the bar slide in the cradle, I think that's part of the technique. Ishikawa failed in 27 because he swung out too much. That probably explains why there was a decrease in clears as each year progressed? There was only 1 clear out of 5 attempts in 33, making it only 20% as if in 27, 80% made a clear. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 12:43:04 GMT -5
The Flying Bar is one of my favorites, the support wire causing that friction kind of irked me though. I much prefer it over the Iron Paddler though.
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Post by TCM on Apr 19, 2017 14:34:15 GMT -5
I decided to watch 33 again in high quality, and I still stand by the tournament as a pretty decent tournament. If Stage 3 was less of the wash it was, I'd rate it better. But I'm not so sure the Flying Bar was as flawed as some of us might have thought.
- Asa made the first jump but failed by making two small hops forward and basically hopped off the notches by accident. So while it's not as possible to do that with the ANW version, that wasn't a case of slick notches or the safety line getting in the way.
- Drew made two perfect jump dead center. The bar wasn't sliding for him and even in his transfer to the first Sidewinder pillar, the bar barely rocked back and forth. It's such a minuscule movement, you could only notice it looking directly at the bar with high quality video. Definitely didn't notice it watching live.
- Sato failed his first jump due to his left side just nicking the edge of that side's notch while the right side connected fine. He wasn't looking at the side that missed.
- Shunsuke made the first jump although was slightly uneven but failed the second jump. His left side nicked just like Sato's but his bounced back in, however he missed entirely with the right side. He also wasn't looking at the side that missed.
- Yusuke failed the the first jump by basically overshooting the entire thing. His left side bounced off the notch because it landed on the sloped part of it while his right side whiffed completely. He as well wasn't looking at the side that missed.
No one's bar was sliding very much if at all on the notches. So I can't say slick notches. You basically have to land in the center and only Drew did twice. Asa did once and mispositioned himself off the obstacle. The safety line didn't really seem to me like it obstructed vision given you're looking at the notch and not dead center above your head. The Salmon Ladders' safety lines look like they could potentially interfere before the Flying Bar's. 4/5 people being taken out is surprising but could it not be because Asa and Yusuke never tried them in competition before, Sato not really being a 3rd Stage expert either way even if he did clear them before (we've had multiple instances of someone failing an obstacle they've succeeded on before in this tournament, it even happened in Stage 3 with Drew), and Shunsuke's failed there before. It also can't be fun being in the cold gripping onto a metal bar. Every failure due to a missed jump featured one of ANW's favorite things to point out: when you're not paying attention to one side of the bar you're holding.
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Post by Shuberb674 on Apr 19, 2017 17:09:58 GMT -5
I think the best flying bar was the Sasuke 27 one, where the rungs were quite large and the jumps weren't completely horizontal, they were also a few inches downward.
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Post by cliffhanger on Apr 22, 2017 2:47:49 GMT -5
The 3rd stage generally needs more coordination based obstacles to not become just about strength. However, this is about luck too much I think. The 27 version was probably better.
The connection to the next obstacle makes it pretty dynamic.
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Post by yasuoyujji on Apr 22, 2017 6:08:04 GMT -5
To be honest, though I am not really happy about SASUKE 33's results, I would love to see the Flying Bar in this position again next tournament. Only thing I hope for is for a modification that the Second and Third rungs be lower and easier to jump onto, because watching people either overshooting the rung, or underestimating the distance, That sucks to watch as well as for the competitor as he is not stretched to his limit.
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Post by hashtagswag on Apr 22, 2017 12:06:19 GMT -5
Kawaguchi had an epic wipe out at 32 though
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Apr 22, 2017 16:00:23 GMT -5
So what are you guys thoughts on the flying bar in stage 3 ..are you guys a fan of it or not ? (Especially that early on ...and now combining it with the sidewinder) I thought it was a POS in 27. And 33 just reminded me how much I hate it. |
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Post by hashtagswag on Apr 25, 2017 4:33:18 GMT -5
So what are you guys thoughts on the flying bar in stage 3 ..are you guys a fan of it or not ? (Especially that early on ...and now combining it with the sidewinder) I thought it was a POS in 27. And 33 just reminded me how much I hate it. Right you are ken😂😂 |
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