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Post by Shuberb674 on Mar 30, 2017 13:21:00 GMT -5
Hate to be the devils advocate here, but lets be honest here:
In the end its smarter for Sasuke to hate foreigners. Less hassle that way, domestic viewers probably don't care about them, foreign audience attracted to Sasuke by foreign competitors is negligible. The only reason Drew is even there is likely because TBS feel guilty about the broken leg (though I remember Arsenette said his role in the Sasuke World Cup was a factor too [what happened to that anyway!??!?]).
Foreigners competing in Sasuke was likely the reason that the show's many spin offs came to be, and I'm sure those net TBS bucket-loads of licensing fees, but that's already happened now, and Sasuke has nothing left to gain from foreign contestants.
So let me ask you, from a realistic, objective perspective- why should Sasuke embrace foreigners?
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Post by Paragus on Mar 30, 2017 13:52:36 GMT -5
Because it's nice to see the world's best competitors take on the original course.
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Post by thatoneuser on Mar 30, 2017 14:13:36 GMT -5
It's called SASUKE, not "Japanese Ninja Warrior", for a reason. Also, by the same argument you could say that they should invite only celebrities because domestic viewers don't care about Yusuke Morimoto, etc.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 30, 2017 15:13:37 GMT -5
Remember Sasuke 26? Know how s***ty of a tournament that would have been without the ANW guys and Lee? Remember 32 when Drew cleared the UCCH? Remember Sasuke 8 being regarded as a great tournament for the final stage alone? Well both finalists were foreigners...
Sasuke is a TV show, not a regional competition, it brings in a nice balance.
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Post by zdude69closedrofl on Mar 30, 2017 15:52:01 GMT -5
Because nationalism is a dangerous ideology that should not get in the way of entertainment of all places. Also because most of the foreigners actually do well. Why are people so scared of diversity in 2017? Christ.
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Post by Eclipse on Mar 30, 2017 16:03:21 GMT -5
Hate to be the devils advocate here, but lets be honest here: In the end its smarter for Sasuke to hate foreigners. Less hassle that way, domestic viewers probably don't care about them, foreign audience attracted to Sasuke by foreign competitors is negligible. Foreigners competing in Sasuke was likely the reason that the show's many spin offs came to be, and I'm sure those net TBS bucket-loads of licensing fees, but that's already happened now, and Sasuke has nothing left to gain from foreign contestants. So let me ask you, from a realistic, objective perspective- why should Sasuke embrace foreigners? Clearly you do not follow Sasuke Viet Nam. They had absolutely no restrictions as far as I am aware on foreigners besides "make your own way here". They had 30something foreigners from 9 or 10 countries. The show was insanely popular and the foreigners were so popular that they were ALL invited back. The foreign competitors were all some of the most dedicated from their country and showed a level of comradery comparable to the All-Star days of Sasuke. The level of competition had an insanely high level of competition and saw the single highest number of clears/100 competitors EVER for Stage 1-3 (there were about 210 runners). It was arguably one of the most exciting seasons of Ninja competition ever, and felt like a trial for how great a world cup could be. So this is obviously my opinion, but I think having foreigners is great. The only reason I would retract this is if a real World Cup was instated, having national finals be local only makes sense
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Mar 30, 2017 16:31:52 GMT -5
Levi basically saved Sasuke 20 too.
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Post by blah123 on Mar 30, 2017 16:33:58 GMT -5
I think yall are missing the point of the OP. Yes, we like foreigners in Sasuke. But what's in it for Sasuke / TBS to have them?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 30, 2017 16:36:54 GMT -5
I think yall are missing the point of the OP. Yes, we like foreigners in Sasuke. But what's in it for Sasuke / TBS to have them? The fact it makes their show look bigger because "Hey look people are coming from all over the world TO BE ON OUR SHOW! WE GOT A GOOD SHOW! COME WATCH IT!"
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Post by Shuberb674 on Mar 30, 2017 16:50:29 GMT -5
I think yall are missing the point of the OP. Yes, we like foreigners in Sasuke. But what's in it for Sasuke / TBS to have them? The fact it makes their show look bigger because "Hey look people are coming from all over the world TO BE ON OUR SHOW! WE GOT A GOOD SHOW! COME WATCH IT!" Yet the more international the show got, the more its ratings dropped lol, so much for that logic. "Hey look people are coming from all over the world" didn't hold a candlelight to "Hey, we have a Japanese sweetheart called Kane Kosugi competing". (in b4 protests of "b....but Kane isn't Japanese, he's American!!1!")
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 30, 2017 17:07:21 GMT -5
The fact it makes their show look bigger because "Hey look people are coming from all over the world TO BE ON OUR SHOW! WE GOT A GOOD SHOW! COME WATCH IT!" Yet the more international the show got, the more its ratings dropped lol, so much for that logic. "Hey look people are coming from all over the world" didn't hold a candlelight to "Hey, we have a Japanese sweetheart called Kane Kosugi competing". (in b4 protests of "b....but Kane isn't Japanese, he's American!!1!") If you're referring to the Monster9 era they were falling in popularity anyways especially considering M9 was so strict about what could be posted on social media and TBS wasn't promoting it much since it was just a cheap special to fill air time (as opposed to something they produced themselves), if you're referring to 32 that's more a problem with oversaturation, that wasn't as much self promotion as much as ANW promotion lol
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Post by dragstar on Mar 30, 2017 18:01:26 GMT -5
Hate to be the devils advocate here, but lets be honest here: In the end its smarter for Sasuke to hate foreigners. Less hassle that way, domestic viewers probably don't care about them, foreign audience attracted to Sasuke by foreign competitors is negligible. Foreigners competing in Sasuke was likely the reason that the show's many spin offs came to be, and I'm sure those net TBS bucket-loads of licensing fees, but that's already happened now, and Sasuke has nothing left to gain from foreign contestants. So let me ask you, from a realistic, objective perspective- why should Sasuke embrace foreigners? Clearly you do not follow Sasuke Viet Nam. They had absolutely no restrictions as far as I am aware on foreigners besides "make your own way here". They had 30something foreigners from 9 or 10 countries. The show was insanely popular and the foreigners were so popular that they were ALL invited back. The foreign competitors were all some of the most dedicated from their country and showed a level of comradery comparable to the All-Star days of Sasuke. The level of competition had an insanely high level of competition and saw the single highest number of clears/100 competitors EVER for Stage 1-3 (there were about 210 runners). It was arguably one of the most exciting seasons of Ninja competition ever, and felt like a trial for how great a world cup could be. So this is obviously my opinion, but I think having foreigners is great. The only reason I would retract this is if a real World Cup was instated, having national finals be local only makes sense Whoa, Vietnam surely got their way right. If only we got foreign competitors here in Indonesia too... As of the original topic, I'd say I think they need foreigners. Perhaps having a foreign competitor may result in the show gaining more footing outside the country, as long as they promoted it outside.
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Post by UnrealCanine on Mar 30, 2017 19:48:17 GMT -5
Foreigners competing in SASUKE is nearly as old as the course itself, so they haven't been complained about nearly enough to warrant their total removal
Also most dislike comes from disrespect (Levi in 21 and 23) or when TBS shoved another show down everyone's throat's, hence why 33 was more 'DrewwasinANWktnxbai'
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Post by Philip on Mar 30, 2017 21:31:37 GMT -5
*grabs megaphone* Sasuke should be embracing their global expansion, not sabotaging it.
May as well make a pissed off rant because I know I'm not getting on Sasuke anyways now because they single foreigners out. I know they won't listen though, they think all foreigners are the same. I'm sure they are not gonna have Wreathman in 34 because he failed the first ob. They'll use it as an excuse to not invite him. Honestly I am only expecting Drew as the only foreigner in 34. The fact that Drew had to FIGHT TO GET ON 33 shows how bone-headed and biased their selection process is.
If they want to completely eradicate gaijins from Sasuke, they should have a compromise: How about a sister tournament, at Midoriyama studios, with 100 foreigners either a few days before or after the main Sasuke tapes? Same course and all (perhaps some differences). However, it's only foreigners and it'd be called Global Sasuke or something. I would love something like that.
Semi-related: I can't stand ANW most of the time, but something that I like about ANW over Sasuke is that the finals (Midoriyama) competitors consist of the most ELITE competitors. The auditioning process is horrific for Sasuke. The lack of proper trials is the main culprit. Obviously, ANW's is flawed as well, but at least you have to EARN your spot via qualifiers. In Sasuke, some random gravure chick or a boy band member (all due respect to Ryoichi Tsukada, Kenji Darvish, and the like, they are legit, care about the show, and would get through a hypothetical trials) get passes to Midoriyama, whereas in ANW, even if they got a competitor profile, she would derp out in qualis and be forgotten about. Get my point?
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Post by candh on Mar 30, 2017 21:35:08 GMT -5
Since the producer and Inui clearly stated that they actually are aiming to do the Sasuke World Cup in Japan, if they can't even handle foreign competitors/audiences in the regular Sasuke series, that would be a huge problem. :/
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Post by Philip on Mar 30, 2017 21:40:00 GMT -5
Since the producer and Inui clearly stated that they actually are aiming to do the Sasuke World Cup in Japan, if they can't even handle foreign competitors/audiences in the regular Sasuke series, that would be a huge problem. :/ I know right? Good point. I wouldn't like a team-based Sasuke World Cup. It'd be best as a solo thing with 100 competitors imo.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 31, 2017 0:40:11 GMT -5
The initial plan was to use the World cup as a way to throw the foreigners in there categorized by regions of the world.. that backfired. The feedback from the Japanese community was vehemently against segregating the groups. Even taking 33 as an example.. there were no foreigners invited to Sasuke 33.. none.. then all of a sudden a couple weeks (and in some cases the week of) a small handful of foreigners got invited because they caught wind that it wasn't going to have them (none of my friends though since they are all hit at the same time). Even Wreathman was forced back on the show (tbf he had a prior commitment) and had to travel from the airport to Sasuke the same day. He only made it with 30 minutes to spare since he got caught in traffic for 4 1/2 hours. Lee's exclusion backfired big time and people were LIVID that he was only the guest of another Taiwan competitor. Nothing like seeing Nagano question in front of the production team why Lee is here.. but not competing in the anniversary event.. No one ever has a good reason to explain why he was never invited back.. Previous times was using World Cup as an excuse but no more. We know they want to eliminate all of them over time. Problem is, the Japanese hardcore fans that are keeping this show alive are livid that there isn't variety anymore. They love seeing Japan's best go up against the World's best. It elevates the level of competition and keeps Sasuke from becoming a reality show (something it's rapidly turning into). So yes.. they need foreigners. It provides a nice contrast and elevates the level of competition.
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Post by Hlav on Mar 31, 2017 2:03:29 GMT -5
Since the producer and Inui clearly stated that they actually are aiming to do the Sasuke World Cup in Japan, if they can't even handle foreign competitors/audiences in the regular Sasuke series, that would be a huge problem. :/ How does the World Cup work, or is that not revealed?
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Post by arsenette on Mar 31, 2017 2:49:08 GMT -5
Since the producer and Inui clearly stated that they actually are aiming to do the Sasuke World Cup in Japan, if they can't even handle foreign competitors/audiences in the regular Sasuke series, that would be a huge problem. :/ How does the World Cup work, or is that not revealed? It has changed formats a few times already so at this point... who knows.
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Post by yasuoyujji on Mar 31, 2017 5:59:50 GMT -5
Yes. But for Sasuke to have foreigners the domestic Japanese competitors have to do well too. If they keep underperform like the 2 recent tournaments, Sasuke's ratings are gonna be like 25 and 26 again. And we all know if these ratings plunge, what will ultimately happen. If the Japanese step up their game, foreigners need to compete in the course to bring up the level of excitement and more Nationalities competitions. If all these do not happen, foreigners will invade Sasuke and make it no more.
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