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Post by arsenette on Aug 20, 2017 22:30:50 GMT -5
ANW never has been enamored with having 100 competitors anyway. Remember that they never run with actual saddlecloths. That's all Sasuke. Even during ANW 1-3 where they were all in Japan, they were forced to remove the saddlecloths from the G4/NBC competitors. It's just not the focus of ANW.
As for the back half of the course.. that's why I said clearing the wall. That also signifies they technically cleared the qualifiers (since city finals essentially is the qualifying course + obstacles past the warped wall).
Also agreed that since the rule they have not made a big deal for the women who legitimately made it top 15. Had this rule not existed.. it would have been special. Now it's just lumped into the pseudo women's bracket. IMO it's lost it's importance and an unintended consequence to their pandering for the female demo. It's a shame.. because it's not working in the ratings anyway. It backfired as most women Hhhhhhhhaaaaaaaate the rule with a passion and call it what it is - Sexist.
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Post by jba392 on Aug 21, 2017 17:15:13 GMT -5
It backfired as most women Hhhhhhhhaaaaaaaate the rule with a passion and call it what it is - Sexist. I would love to see a source on this. Especially the "most" part. From what I've seen, SMF is up in arms about it and everyone else is fine with it.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 21, 2017 18:39:54 GMT -5
It backfired as most women Hhhhhhhhaaaaaaaate the rule with a passion and call it what it is - Sexist. I would love to see a source on this. Especially the "most" part. From what I've seen, SMF is up in arms about it and everyone else is fine with it. You missed Facebook then. First month alone was hundreds of threads and upvotes of furious people. Curious if Ninja Warrior deleted the posts. They do that a lot. On Twitter was pretty bad as well to the point where Matt Iseman was involved telling people to please give feedback on it because they were interested in it.
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Post by danielnc on Aug 21, 2017 20:27:01 GMT -5
It backfired as most women Hhhhhhhhaaaaaaaate the rule with a passion and call it what it is - Sexist. I would love to see a source on this. Especially the "most" part. From what I've seen, SMF is up in arms about it and everyone else is fine with it. This is also what I've seen: Some SMFers and a few people on Facebook really hate it. I've seen a few competitors and fans who really love it. But probably 90%+ of all the discussion I've seen about it is ambivalent.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 21, 2017 21:26:47 GMT -5
I would love to see a source on this. Especially the "most" part. From what I've seen, SMF is up in arms about it and everyone else is fine with it. This is also what I've seen: Some SMFers and a few people on Facebook really hate it. I've seen a few competitors and fans who really love it. But probably 90%+ of all the discussion I've seen about it is ambivalent. A LOT on Facebook though.. I've seen upvotes into the thousand range... I checked earlier and those posts are gone. It happens a lot though as NBC isn't too keen in having the highest upvoted comment to be critical. Women in general have the biggest problem with it. Men don't care because they justify it being okay since wildcards are gone as if they were the exact same thing.
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Post by danielnc on Aug 22, 2017 17:21:09 GMT -5
This is also what I've seen: Some SMFers and a few people on Facebook really hate it. I've seen a few competitors and fans who really love it. But probably 90%+ of all the discussion I've seen about it is ambivalent. A LOT on Facebook though.. I've seen upvotes into the thousand range... I checked earlier and those posts are gone. It happens a lot though as NBC isn't too keen in having the highest upvoted comment to be critical. Women in general have the biggest problem with it. Men don't care because they justify it being okay since wildcards are gone as if they were the exact same thing. OK - I hadn't seen those quotes. Thanks!
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Post by cole77000 on Aug 25, 2017 19:25:55 GMT -5
As someone that doesn't care a whole lot about the change, I'm wondering if people's complaints are about:
1. The new rule is worse than the old wildcard system 2. The new rule isn't ideal.
I figure the new rule must be better than the wild cards where it wasn't merit-based at all, no?
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Post by kangaroo on Aug 31, 2017 23:42:16 GMT -5
I do not get the hate I prefer it over the wild cards which were given to quite a few women that did not deserve to be there so how is this rule sexist but all the wild cards going to women not sexist? This is how stupid people have become they take something and over react to fit some agenda. I love that the women that made it to Vegas either beat out men or had to beat out the other women on the course so they still had to earn it not gift wrapped to them like past years cough cough Kacey
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Post by arsenette on Sept 1, 2017 0:01:16 GMT -5
I hate it when people don't read the thread to see the legitimate gripe about this rule. They have heard the backlash and I hope NBC changes it now that Kacy is gone.
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Post by danielnc on Sept 1, 2017 4:23:27 GMT -5
I hate it when people don't read the thread to see the legitimate gripe about this rule. They have heard the backlash and I hope NBC changes it now that Kacy is gone. But (having read the whole thread) I wouldn't want NBC to change it just to bring back wild cards. Granted the current system isn't perfect but I certainly think that earning slots in Vegas is at least to be preferred to NBC picking people often on considerations other than athletic accomplishment.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 1, 2017 4:34:46 GMT -5
I hate it when people don't read the thread to see the legitimate gripe about this rule. They have heard the backlash and I hope NBC changes it now that Kacy is gone. But (having read the whole thread) I wouldn't want NBC to change it just to bring back wild cards. Granted the current system isn't perfect but I certainly think that earning slots in Vegas is at least to be preferred to NBC picking people often on considerations other than athletic accomplishment. I can understand the argument even if I vehemently disagree with their motive (since it was their fault the wildcards skewed to women in the first place) and people took the time to read it except certain people who came in late and called everyone stupid because he couldn't be bothered. Needless to say that irks me since it's an inflammatory blanket statement that doesn't contribute at all to positive conversation.
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 1, 2017 9:15:36 GMT -5
But (having read the whole thread) I wouldn't want NBC to change it just to bring back wild cards. Granted the current system isn't perfect but I certainly think that earning slots in Vegas is at least to be preferred to NBC picking people often on considerations other than athletic accomplishment. I can understand the argument even if I vehemently disagree with their motive (since it was their fault the wildcards skewed to women in the first place) and people took the time to read it except certain people who came in late and called everyone stupid because he couldn't be bothered. Needless to say that irks me since it's an inflammatory blanket statement that doesn't contribute at all to positive conversation. Are you refering to me I read everything and I heard the rumors about kacey retiring but that does not change the fact that she was gifted wildcards over deserving women in the past; I still do not understand the up in arms because some women made it because of weaker competition yet we seen the same thing in regionals before with the men. I still do not understand why people think one is sexist and not the other and the wildcard going too all women is on NBC and that is their fault. While the new rule may not be perfect I prefer it over the previous wildcard slection process.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 1, 2017 15:11:44 GMT -5
I can understand the argument even if I vehemently disagree with their motive (since it was their fault the wildcards skewed to women in the first place) and people took the time to read it except certain people who came in late and called everyone stupid because he couldn't be bothered. Needless to say that irks me since it's an inflammatory blanket statement that doesn't contribute at all to positive conversation. Are you refering to me I read everything and I heard the rumors about kacey retiring but that does not change the fact that she was gifted wildcards over deserving women in the past; I still do not understand the up in arms because some women made it because of weaker competition yet we seen the same thing in regionals before with the men. I still do not understand why people think one is sexist and not the other and the wildcard going too all women is on NBC and that is their fault. While the new rule may not be perfect I prefer it over the previous wildcard slection process. Yes I'm referring directly to you since you took the time to call everyone stupid. You are also falsely accusing people for NOT calling out NBC on their blatant sexism over their change on wildcards before this rule. If you read the whole thread and still came to that ignorant conclusion that seems to be your fault and not ours. It would be different if you had a disagreement over what was said but instead you chose to be an ignorant a*****e about it and throw everyone under the bus because of your inability to read.
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Post by danielnc on Sept 2, 2017 5:51:03 GMT -5
But (having read the whole thread) I wouldn't want NBC to change it just to bring back wild cards. Granted the current system isn't perfect but I certainly think that earning slots in Vegas is at least to be preferred to NBC picking people often on considerations other than athletic accomplishment. I can understand the argument even if I vehemently disagree with their motive (since it was their fault the wildcards skewed to women in the first place) and people took the time to read it except certain people who came in late and called everyone stupid because he couldn't be bothered. Needless to say that irks me since it's an inflammatory blanket statement that doesn't contribute at all to positive conversation. I really like how wildcards were used in ANW5 or thereabouts - for deserving competitors who came up just short, like Grant McCartney and James McGrath, both #16 in their regions. I'm certainly not saying the current system is better than that. All I meant to say was that it was better than the last two seasons' wildcards.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 2, 2017 12:20:19 GMT -5
I can understand the argument even if I vehemently disagree with their motive (since it was their fault the wildcards skewed to women in the first place) and people took the time to read it except certain people who came in late and called everyone stupid because he couldn't be bothered. Needless to say that irks me since it's an inflammatory blanket statement that doesn't contribute at all to positive conversation. I really like how wildcards were used in ANW5 or thereabouts - for deserving competitors who came up just short, like Grant McCartney and James McGrath, both #16 in their regions. I'm certainly not saying the current system is better than that. All I meant to say was that it was better than the last two seasons' wildcards. Yeah. The change to the wildcards as a whole was disconcerting when they shifted greatly to gender after the meteoric rise of Kacy. I wish they had that but it's obvious by their wording that they have no intention of bringing that back. It's bad enough what they did to veterans who made their show as popular as it was.. this didn't help at all.
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Post by kid0h on Sept 2, 2017 15:52:33 GMT -5
Not sure if it sways anyone's ideas about the wild cards but in the rules it stated if you were chosen as a wild card then you will not be given the money if you happen to achieve total victory.... now imagine how that would play out if a wild card spot happen to do that.
This also helps me realize how they select the wild cards, someone who won't necessarily win but can help bring in viewers... thus it became a women spot.
For this year they changed it to 2 girls qualify to Vegas instead of wild cards. I'm not sure what it said about the girls being selected and not being able to win the million. But I'm going to assume it wouldn't exclude them bc they "earned" there way there. So at least this year I'm going to assume everyone who made it Vegas had a chance at a million dollars, which I think is better.
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Post by Sitthideth Keophothong on Sept 2, 2017 15:58:52 GMT -5
Not sure if it sways anyone's ideas about the wild cards but in the rules it stated if you were chosen as a wild card then you will not be given the money if you happen to achieve total victory.... now imagine how that would play out if a wild card spot happen to do that. Do you have a legitimate source for this rule? I have never heard about it before. By the way, old competitors (for example, Jon Stewart) also won't necessarily win but can help bring in viewers, so why don't NBC create a top 2 for them?
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Post by kid0h on Sept 2, 2017 16:22:01 GMT -5
I actually read the rules when I competed on season 7, I was surprised to read that. But then it made sense why when drew and flip both fell early in previous seasons they didn't get a wildcards. I didn't take a picture of the rule so you'd have to go by my word. But also in the rules it is up to the producers discretion to change any rule at any time.
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Post by Sitthideth Keophothong on Sept 2, 2017 21:10:59 GMT -5
I actually read the rules when I competed on season 7, I was surprised to read that. But then it made sense why when drew and flip both fell early in previous seasons they didn't get a wildcards. I didn't take a picture of the rule so you'd have to go by my word. But also in the rules it is up to the producers discretion to change any rule at any time. Thank you very much for your valuable information .
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 2, 2017 23:25:16 GMT -5
Not sure if it sways anyone's ideas about the wild cards but in the rules it stated if you were chosen as a wild card then you will not be given the money if you happen to achieve total victory.... now imagine how that would play out if a wild card spot happen to do that. Do you have a legitimate source for this rule? I have never heard about it before. Source is the contract for competitors, I can confirm it
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