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Post by Steven π on Feb 15, 2017 10:11:41 GMT -5
(My opinion) Biggest problem: Copyright too strict
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Post by TCM on Feb 15, 2017 10:41:42 GMT -5
International access to the show, while important, has zero effect on the ratings of an one-time airing of a show.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Feb 15, 2017 11:21:18 GMT -5
I think we have a while yet and as people (not necessarily on here) have said to me, the money America pays them for American Ninja Warrior is enough to encourage them to keep going. Format licensing fee is nothing compared to the footage fee, the only reason we got K9 and potentially 2 Sasuke this year is because Esquire Network (before it was dropped and planning to end) was going to have Ninja Warrior episodes of Sasuke Rising so they bought the footage, now that's in limbo but that's a story for another thread.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 14:19:47 GMT -5
It sucks that money comes first to the company because we fans are huge fans of the show and we don't want the show to finish. But as they say - "All good things must come to an end, eventually".
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Post by TCM on Feb 15, 2017 14:37:05 GMT -5
That's just the nature of television. Sasuke and its spinoffs are a niche form of entertainment. If ANW ratings start to plummet, you're have these kinds of discussion there, too. And keep in mind ANW will have been on air for a decade next year, so it's not like it's a youthful program either.
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Post by blah123 on Feb 15, 2017 14:49:13 GMT -5
SASUKE's lifespan is naturally limited because of its format. ... Those are all great points but by that logic, ANW's ratings should start to decline in the very near future, which less face it doesn't really look like it will. I think ANW's branding department has just done a lot better job handling the course naturally getting harder over time. There are other ways to brag up "success" than total victory: women beating first stage, someone hitting all buzzers, attendance records, people overcoming personal stuff (e.g. Flip), other inspirational fluff pieces, etc. Not that I as a diehard prefer ANW to Sasuke or anything; I just think ANW has done a much better job at saying "Wow look how great all these average joes are doing!", even though said average joes aren't necessarily getting super far in Vegas. Can't say the same about Inui/TBS.
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Post by TCM on Feb 15, 2017 15:16:59 GMT -5
SASUKE's lifespan is naturally limited because of its format. ... Those are all great points but by that logic, ANW's ratings should start to decline in the very near future, which less face it doesn't really look like it will. I think ANW's branding department has just done a lot better job handling the course naturally getting harder over time. There are other ways to brag up "success" than total victory: women beating first stage, someone hitting all buzzers, attendance records, people overcoming personal stuff (e.g. Flip), other inspirational fluff pieces, etc. Not that I as a diehard prefer ANW to Sasuke or anything; I just think ANW has done a much better job at saying "Wow look how great all these average joes are doing!", even though said average joes aren't necessarily getting super far in Vegas. Can't say the same about Inui/TBS. American TV brands ANW differently because ANW can be a reality competition/game show hybrid there. Japanese TV to my knowledge, hasn't ever really truly adopted that style over there. Sasuke has never been presented as anything but a sporting challenge. They use competitor stories as well but most are directly tied to the competition itself; you don't see stories like the competitor who lost his home in the 2011 earthquake/tsunami. Definitely better marketing and branding, that's objectively true, but Sasuke in all its forms has appeared on one channel, for the entirety of its lifecycle. ANW has only been full-time on NBC (as its primary channel) since Season 6. That timing matters, even if NBC has featured them in some capacity since Season 4. We're seeing ANW in its prime; ANW fought to get the audience it has. It's still fresh enough in the public. The format itself of being a 4-stage (6 technically in ANW's case) obstacle course that 100 competitors attempt is not something you can depend on very long. The fact Sasuke has been around for as long as it have is somewhat miraculous. Takeshi's Castle's original run was just 4 years.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Feb 15, 2017 22:05:55 GMT -5
For what it's worth Matt Iseman described ANW as a "Reality Show on NBC" during the finale of New Celebrity Apprentice, so yeah I don't think there's much dispute about what NBC considers it. Sasuke has called itself "Sports Entertainment", which is a TV show or event where the draw is the athletic spectacle and some theatrics involved with said athletic performance. While that's not exactly what the coiner of the term specifically meant (Hell if you want the origin it was a term made by a business owner to let people perform in a traveling show who were not in good enough shape for the State Athletic departments to clear for sports, but that's a story for another thread ) that's basically the explanation of the term that's generally accepted
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Post by komasixx on Feb 15, 2017 22:36:47 GMT -5
Well the thing I've always liked about Sasuke is that it's a relativly small community, you can easily talk to almost every hardcore Sasuke fan, almost easily talk to any competitor and even the producers, and I guess it's the same for ANW, a lot of people watch it but the hardcore fans are from loving Sasuke.
I mean, I've had Drew Drechsel like a bunch of my Instagram videos, back in the day I had long conversations on Facebook with David Campbell. Like 5 months ago Kenji Takahashi tweeted at me in English cause I tweeted at Arsenette that he was my favorite competitor. Geoff just like my Isaac is a C**t comment.
I'll always be glad for this cause in like the NBA, NFL, NASCAR, etc. you could've have these kind of interactions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 19:52:01 GMT -5
Unpopular Opinion incoming, I just hope there isn't a victory for years so the show keeps going until someone wins...
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Post by issach99 on Mar 1, 2017 19:49:08 GMT -5
Unpopular Opinion incoming, I just hope there isn't a victory for years so the show keeps going until someone wins... Agreed. Maybe there won't be a winner for a while so it can last a few more years.
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Post by Philip on Mar 1, 2017 20:29:02 GMT -5
Perhaps a solution to the accessibility problem could be returning the 1st Stage back to its Field Athletics roots. Obviously, it would have to be harder than say, Sasuke 4's 1st Stage, but we've seen glimpses of the past recently with people coming out of nowhere and succeeding. Examples are Wreath Man, Yusuke Suzuki, Kenji Darvish, etc. A slightly easier 1st Stage with a stricter time limit could perhaps be the formula to seeing more of the "everyday" people clearing.
At the same time, I think that they don't have enough "specialized" competitors that they let through auditions. Keitaro Yamamoto is an example of this. He is a super good competitor, and got to the 2nd Stage in 29. Instead of having him reach his full potential, they snub him and he hasn't been on since. Sorta strange.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 8:22:15 GMT -5
Perhaps a solution to the accessibility problem could be returning the 1st Stage back to its Field Athletics roots. Obviously, it would have to be harder than say, Sasuke 4's 1st Stage, but we've seen glimpses of the past recently with people coming out of nowhere and succeeding. Examples are Wreath Man, Yusuke Suzuki, Kenji Darvish, etc. A slightly easier 1st Stage with a stricter time limit could perhaps be the formula to seeing more of the "everyday" people clearing. At the same time, I think that they don't have enough "specialized" competitors that they let through auditions. Keitaro Yamamoto is an example of this. He is a super good competitor, and got to the 2nd Stage in 29. Instead of having him reach his full potential, they snub him and he hasn't been on since. Sorta strange. That would be an excellent idea. Stage 1 used to be a "short and speedy" stage alongside Stage 2, with the 3rd and final testing upper body strength, since SASUKE 18 however, the speed of the course has decreased and the time limits have been inflated over the years depending on the course. SASUKE 28-30 was only a seven obstacle course - no tackle, no jumping spider and no slider jump, and that's as close as we've been to the suggestion since, then it reverted back to its old ways with the addition of the infamous Tackle and the Music Box (thank goodness that's gone)
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Post by TCM on Mar 3, 2017 8:31:05 GMT -5
The problem isn't the number of obstacles, it's obstacles having natural long times to complete. 17 had 9 obstacles which is the same as 32 but 17's time limit was 85 while 32 was 115 which was not only a decrease from 31 but considered perhaps too strict given the Tackle being made harder.
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