|
Post by wolf4537 on Jul 7, 2016 21:23:44 GMT -5
So I'm a bit lost with this topic. I didn't think the editing was all that bad but at the same time, I didn't get to see most of the first stage being shown. Obviously I can't really judge the editing since I didn't see the full thing but it soundslike it was pretty bad. I'm hoping that the show itself doesn't get canceled, but I'll be honest, when I was watching the show near the end, I didn't feel all that much excitement compared to the last 2 years. I think Nagano's final run may have taken the momentum out of the remainder of the show, at least for me anyway.
|
|
|
Post by sentinel on Jul 8, 2016 19:59:30 GMT -5
Give me a break. Sasuke has always contained so much non-serious material. 80% of the average stage 1 are joke/fun/entertaining competitors.
I asked arsenette how she knows "Japan" is mad ANW was shown too much. Nothing.
It's cool if you didn't like the editing or the show but quit trying to back up your personal opinions and biases with vague allusions to "Japan" feeling the same way. Quit yelling "Then why are so many people demanding Inui step down??!?!?!" when people here question your opinion. Who is demanding it? You and a couple people you translated from twitter? A blog post you read?
|
|
DonalM
Nakata Daisuke
Posts: 953
|
Post by DonalM on Jul 8, 2016 20:31:18 GMT -5
Give me a break. Sasuke has always contained so much non-serious material. 80% of the average stage 1 are joke/fun/entertaining competitors. I asked arsenette how she knows "Japan" is mad ANW was shown too much. Nothing. It's cool if you didn't like the editing or the show but quit trying to back up your personal opinions and biases with vague allusions to "Japan" feeling the same way. Quit yelling "Then why are so many people demanding Inui step down??!?!?!" when people here question your opinion. Who is demanding it? You and a couple people you translated from twitter? A blog post you read? Do you have anything that says the Japanese audience was perfectly fine with the airing? If not, you might not be the most qualified person to go against someone who actually knows people in Japan and can get their opinions.
|
|
arsenette
Administrator
Rambling Rican
Posts: 16,617
Staff Member
|
Post by arsenette on Jul 8, 2016 21:09:13 GMT -5
Give me a break. Sasuke has always contained so much non-serious material. 80% of the average stage 1 are joke/fun/entertaining competitors. I asked arsenette how she knows "Japan" is mad ANW was shown too much. Nothing. It's cool if you didn't like the editing or the show but quit trying to back up your personal opinions and biases with vague allusions to "Japan" feeling the same way. Quit yelling "Then why are so many people demanding Inui step down??!?!?!" when people here question your opinion. Who is demanding it? You and a couple people you translated from twitter? A blog post you read? Do you have anything that says the Japanese audience was perfectly fine with the airing? If not, you might not be the most qualified person to go against someone who actually knows people in Japan and can get their opinions. Appreciate the support but it's already known that no matter what I say Sentinel will just go after me. Don't bother. It's obvious he didn't read the official posts from Inui and TBS on twitter, Facebook and Instagram that apologized to the public begging them to pleaes watch next year for the 20th anniversary.. nor did he take time to read the timelines and answers in all three of those platforms to read the comments of hatred to TBS and Inui. He just has a vendetta against me for some reason.
|
|
|
Post by candh on Jul 9, 2016 16:13:56 GMT -5
One less discussed aspect, in my opinion, that I don't like about post-Rising SASUKE and became too apparent in SSK 32 is overfocus on personal "romantic" affairs rather than competitor friendship/sportsmanship/whatsoever.
Take, Hioki, for example. Sure I like him and his family, and as much as Inui and producers are taking great care of him, he is basically a housewife ratings machine from the production's standpoint. I felt like I was watching a promotional video of he and his family rather than the usual fluff-and-run in SSK 32. To contrast Urushihara is always given a minimal airtime since SSK 28 when he goes out in the stage 1 because he only has friends (Shin Sedai) and no girlfriend/family.
The part of the reason All-stars was immensely popular (and why I was hooked into the show) was that the program took great care of showing friendship between athletes ("SASUKE vs 100" rather than "100 vs each other"). Cut back of Nagano et al. supporting and cheering was shown on many major competitor's run - SSK 27 was one of the best tournaments for me for many reasons but major contributing factor is that it was shown that every athlete from every country is rooting for each other - which made every failure and success exciting and connecting. Post-Rising SASUKE rarely shows "the sideline" and instead the show focuses on family, which honestly did not bother me that much until SSK 31 for some reason, but the show now feels like "SASUKE vs Hioki vs Yamada Gundan vs ANW athletes vs celeb A vs celeb B vs celeb C vs Air Band Guys vs Wreathman vs Kongu vs Urushihara vs Asa vs Kanno vs Kawaguchi vs Matachi vs All-stars vs joke competitors" or something like that.
|
|
|
Post by Miko on Jul 9, 2016 17:23:07 GMT -5
IMO all of them (28-32) were bad. There are too many things to list what i didn't like but let's make this short.
28 was bad tournament with bad results, bulls**t retire ceremony, boring celebrity room and really odd tournament overall. 29 was bad tournament with bulls**t obstacles and rules, bad results, boring editing and not really exciting runs. 30 was bad tournament with bulls**t controversies with many athletes (Nagano, Takeda, Takahashi), disappointing failures, bad editing and focus on people that i don't care. 31 was bad tournament with controversies once again, bad results (Yea, Morimoto won, but i mean overall), All-Stars failing really bad and really - if Morimoto would not achieve total victory this tournament, this would be "The tournament that shall not be named". This one also pissed me off really bad due to editing. 32 was bad tournament once again. This wasn't exciting, memoramble or any way fun tournament. I don't want to bash this one too much since everything has been already said, but i'll just say that this and 31 are maybe worst SASUKE tournaments ever.
I really don't care if Sasuke gets canceled, since these five SASUKE's have been really disappointing and boring. There have been some notable, emotional or fun moments, but that itself doesn't make SASUKE great. Overall, i enjoyed much more first 27 tournaments than a single SASUKE Rising tournament.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 17:26:59 GMT -5
I really don't care if Sasuke gets canceled. Honestly, neither do I...I feel like i've lost all my passion for the franchise overall.
|
|
|
Post by Geoffnotjeff on Jul 10, 2016 0:01:09 GMT -5
You know what? I enjoyed it. Maybe it wasn't as pure as some would like. Maybe they tried to gain an audience by having celebs try the course. That's ok in my book. The mantra should be, whatever keeps it going.
Reading this thread I'm shocked and almost insulted by some of the attitudes towards the show. I believe it's the nostalgia factor. Most things we love we see with rose colored glasses when looking back on them. "It was better before" BS. It's always been a show about conquering obstacles, and the few who try, and the even fewer who dedicate their lives to it.
Course was amazing. Looked great Good pacing I enjoyed it.
Everyone is spoiled by ANW. They have all the time in the world to show people, and still don't show everyone. It's much worse there, 3.5 hours for an entire tourney? Total nightmare to edit.
I give them.all the respect in the world for keeping it going this long. Inui fights for it, and people in America (and Japan) attack his decisions. That's BS. It's easy to sit and home and complain, I only saw one person from this forum (that I know) there, and people are attacking her! WTF is wrong with some of you?
Take off the rose colored glasses and enjoy the show for what it is, not what you want it to be. It's an amazing spectacle that has inspired so many around d the world, and while it inspires many, it seems to anger some of its biggest fans. Let it go. Try to enjoy it again, because that's what it's about. Having fun and besting obstacles.
|
|
DonalM
Nakata Daisuke
Posts: 953
|
Post by DonalM on Jul 10, 2016 0:17:56 GMT -5
I give them.all the respect in the world for keeping it going this long. Inui fights for it, and people in America (and Japan) attack his decisions. That's BS. It's easy to sit and home and complain, I only saw one person from this forum (that I know) there, and people are attacking her! WTF is wrong with some of you? To be fair, tho, arsenette is one of the main ones on this thread calling out Inui for his editing.
|
|
arsenette
Administrator
Rambling Rican
Posts: 16,617
Staff Member
|
Post by arsenette on Jul 10, 2016 0:23:39 GMT -5
Thanks again Geoff for sticking up for me. ♥ To be fair though about the rose colored glasses, when I was there last year and loved both the tourney live and on television, this year though I was there again and enjoyed it live and HATED the edit because it didn't show the tourney I actually saw. I'm frustrated because it was a good tournament! Seems though they want to push the show into ANW territory even if the audience doesn't want it to change to that. Given everything I'm reading officially (interviews and such) and of course seeing what they actually did to the tournament when it hit television.. I'm not happy of the direction they are forcing the show. ANW and Sasuke are two completely different shows and I'm totally fine with that. ANW will exist for years longer than Sasuke will. I don't see why in the twilight years of the show they have to change format. The domestic market aren't going for it so why force it?
|
|
|
Post by gtoneko on Jul 10, 2016 3:31:54 GMT -5
Thanks again Geoff for sticking up for me. ♥ To be fair though about the rose colored glasses, when I was there last year and loved both the tourney live and on television, this year though I was there again and enjoyed it live and HATED the edit because it didn't show the tourney I actually saw. I'm frustrated because it was a good tournament! Seems though they want to push the show into ANW territory even if the audience doesn't want it to change to that. Given everything I'm reading officially (interviews and such) and of course seeing what they actually did to the tournament when it hit television.. I'm not happy of the direction they are forcing the show. ANW and Sasuke are two completely different shows and I'm totally fine with that. ANW will exist for years longer than Sasuke will. I don't see why in the twilight years of the show they have to change format. The domestic market aren't going for it so why force it? With all that's being said and what we've seen from the broadcast, I can just say that the tournament was "MEH!". I enjoyed what was shown for the people they did show overall, but even I can tell how slanted it's become, thus causing so many to spew hatred on a yearly special program. I can't blame anyone for what they're feeling, nor will I say "...but...", yet all I can really mention for overall is that next year is truly going to be make or break for next year's program. If they can go back to having an equal focus on both the celebrities and the regular participants, then we've got our Sasuke back in feelings and tone from tournament 27 on back to 9 of everyone feeling like it's them versus the course, not just the "cliques". Glad that you've been there to see how the tournament was supposed to feel asenette, and once when you feel clear to give the report of the differences, we'll be ready.
|
|
|
Post by marsllama on Jul 10, 2016 3:44:55 GMT -5
It confuses me the way some people on here behave towards eachother. I don't always agree with Arsenette's opinions but without her most of us wouldn't have half the knowledge and insight we have into the show and competitors. And it's not like she's getting paid for this, either. It's not asking a lot to just trust what she says, and failing that the least we can do is show a little respect.
Back on topic, I'm still pretty new to SASUKE but the editing on this one wasn't at its best. However I can understand that given the numerous issues that plagued the production this year and we may be lucky to have a show at all, I don't really know the full extent of the problems. To have people calling to cancel the show feels like if Americans decided ABC should cancel The Walking Dead just because of that episode where Beth walked around the hospital for an hour.
|
|
|
Post by PsychoDelusion on Jul 10, 2016 4:01:22 GMT -5
You know what? I enjoyed it. Maybe it wasn't as pure as some would like. Maybe they tried to gain an audience by having celebs try the course. That's ok in my book. The mantra should be, whatever keeps it going. Reading this thread I'm shocked and almost insulted by some of the attitudes towards the show. I believe it's the nostalgia factor. Most things we love we see with rose colored glasses when looking back on them. "It was better before" BS. It's always been a show about conquering obstacles, and the few who try, and the even fewer who dedicate their lives to it. Course was amazing. Looked great Good pacing I enjoyed it. Everyone is spoiled by ANW. They have all the time in the world to show people, and still don't show everyone. It's much worse there, 3.5 hours for an entire tourney? Total nightmare to edit. I give them.all the respect in the world for keeping it going this long. Inui fights for it, and people in America (and Japan) attack his decisions. That's BS. It's easy to sit and home and complain, I only saw one person from this forum (that I know) there, and people are attacking her! WTF is wrong with some of you? Take off the rose colored glasses and enjoy the show for what it is, not what you want it to be. It's an amazing spectacle that has inspired so many around d the world, and while it inspires many, it seems to anger some of its biggest fans. Let it go. Try to enjoy it again, because that's what it's about. Having fun and besting obstacles. That's a blunt statement over there but I'll say this. First of all, I've never ever bothered watching ANW as it's not being broadcasted in my country so I know that I'm not being "spoiled". Yes it's a hell to edit the tournament, everyone mature enough in these forums understands this pretty well. "Okay so where's the problem?" you'll ask me. The problem is that they could have done a way better job in these 3.5 hours. The duration was the last problem they had. Just count the time they spent showing all the celebrities etc etc (all the reasons I stated in my post a few pages back). We're not complaining just because we woke up and thought "What should I do today? Oh yeah, bash SASUKE a little bit". We're complaining because we LOVE watching this show. We're PASSIONATE about it and we never wanted to see it take the wrong direction. This is not the SASUKE we've been watching for so many years. It's just..wrong. So to answer your question "WTF is wrong with some of you?", it's just that we care about it and want the best for it, not just for us but for everyone who's watching it all over the world, and those 70-80 souls who competed in the show and they didn't get a single mention. That's why we're complaining and that's why we'll be hoping for something better in the future. Because SASUKE deserves that future.
|
|
|
Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jul 10, 2016 5:47:37 GMT -5
I agree with Geoff. Yeah, even if a tournament isn't great, so what? Some of you just seem ready to turn on the show on the first opportunity. Instead of willing it to get better, some are literally asking for the show to be cancelled, a show that has continued for so long and that has inspired so many people. And the moment you don't get what you want, you turn on it like a pack of wolves. Give me a break.
|
|
|
Post by Miko on Jul 10, 2016 6:52:38 GMT -5
I agree with Geoff. Yeah, even if a tournament isn't great, so what? Some of you just seem ready to turn on the show on the first opportunity. Instead of willing it to get better, some are literally asking for the show to be cancelled, a show that has continued for so long and that has inspired so many people. And the moment you don't get what you want, you turn on it like a pack of wolves. Give me a break. This wasn't SASUKE's first chance. This was 5th try to increase ratings and make SASUKE once again cool, but failing miserably. The show that doesn't have really much budget, doesn't listen it's viewers and doesn't really change anything (course, editing, etc). This kind of show doesn't deserve to continue anymore. SASUKE Rising era was the worst era of SASUKE, sadly. Not everyone likes what most of people likes. You like Justin Bieber? Cool, i don't. You watch ANW? Cool, i'm not interested. You liked SASUKE 32? Cool, i hated it. It is not wrong opinion and it's totally bulls**t that people try to shove their opinions down in our throats. It's not needed. SASUKE has now continued almost 20 years. It is a long time for a obstacle course show. In my opinion, SASUKE should get finally canceled if SASUKE 33 is still an horrible show. Put the show down to the grave and we can all then remember it's glory days and competitors. After the end of days, everything is going to end sooner or later, right? Then let it happen.
|
|
SuperTiger
Yamada Kōji
Kunoichi-san
*meyolow*
Posts: 1,187
|
Post by SuperTiger on Jul 10, 2016 6:56:37 GMT -5
To be fair, the show has gone in a drastically different direction since it's revival in 2012. SASUKE hasn't been the same since 27. Yes the general premise remains, but each tournament since 27 hasn't been like it was before. I don't blame the die hard fans for calling to cancel the show when it's not what it used to be. While there hasn't been a format change, it's similar to when KUNOICHI 8 aired. Had they continued with that format, most people would have been fine with KUNOICHI dying. It's the same with SASUKE.
|
|
|
Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jul 10, 2016 7:22:28 GMT -5
I agree with Geoff. Yeah, even if a tournament isn't great, so what? Some of you just seem ready to turn on the show on the first opportunity. Instead of willing it to get better, some are literally asking for the show to be cancelled, a show that has continued for so long and that has inspired so many people. And the moment you don't get what you want, you turn on it like a pack of wolves. Give me a break. This wasn't SASUKE's first chance. This was 5th try to increase ratings and make SASUKE once again cool, but failing miserably. The show that doesn't have really much budget, doesn't listen it's viewers and doesn't really change anything (course, editing, etc). This kind of show doesn't deserve to continue anymore. SASUKE Rising era was the worst era of SASUKE, sadly. Not everyone likes what most of people likes. You like Justin Bieber? Cool, i don't. You watch ANW? Cool, i'm not interested. You liked SASUKE 32? Cool, i hated it. It is not wrong opinion and it's totally bulls**t that people try to shove their opinions down in our throats. It's not needed. SASUKE has now continued almost 20 years. It is a long time for a obstacle course show. In my opinion, SASUKE should get finally canceled if SASUKE 33 is still an horrible show. Put the show down to the grave and we can all then remember it's glory days and competitors. After the end of days, everything is going to end sooner or later, right? Then let it happen. Except you are massively, overwhelmingly in the minority here. I'm sure plenty of people (myself included) agree that Rising wasn't the best era of Sasuke, but there are plenty of people who will be much kinder to the era than you. You see five bad tournaments? Fine. But for the most part, the only unanimously disliked tournaments in that are 28 and 32 (arguably 29), whilst 30 and 31 generally garner a positive reception. Hell, 31 alone is considered by many to be one of, if not the best tournament EVER. So your overwhelmingly negative, damning outlook is not shared by many, pal. You think the course hasn't changed. Good for you, even though most people can agree the course now doesn't even resemble the one from the 25-27 era. You think the editing sucks in all 5. Sure, but the editing only truly came under fire with 29 and 32. To demonstrate the outlook opposite to yours, I'll rewrite your final paragraph: Sasuke has continued almost 20 years. That is a long time for an obstacle course show, showing the unique, special properties that make Sasuke so beloved in the minds of many. These properties are timeless. In my opinion, even if Sasuke 33 is mediocre-bad like 32, the show should get to continue as tournament 31 proved to many the magic is still there and TBS can still produce amazing, entertaining tournaments. Even if the show isn't what it once was, we can still remember the glory days and competitors, whilst also enjoying the new, passionate people that rise up to take on the course. Sasuke will end eventually. But till that day, I believe true fans should hold hope for the show to improve...
|
|
|
Post by Geoffnotjeff on Jul 10, 2016 9:13:48 GMT -5
I agree with Geoff. Yeah, even if a tournament isn't great, so what? Some of you just seem ready to turn on the show on the first opportunity. Instead of willing it to get better, some are literally asking for the show to be cancelled, a show that has continued for so long and that has inspired so many people. And the moment you don't get what you want, you turn on it like a pack of wolves. Give me a break. This wasn't SASUKE's first chance. This was 5th try to increase ratings and make SASUKE once again cool, but failing miserably. The show that doesn't have really much budget, doesn't listen it's viewers and doesn't really change anything (course, editing, etc). This kind of show doesn't deserve to continue anymore. SASUKE Rising era was the worst era of SASUKE, sadly. Not everyone likes what most of people likes. You like Justin Bieber? Cool, i don't. You watch ANW? Cool, i'm not interested. You liked SASUKE 32? Cool, i hated it. It is not wrong opinion and it's totally bulls**t that people try to shove their opinions down in our throats. It's not needed. SASUKE has now continued almost 20 years. It is a long time for a obstacle course show. In my opinion, SASUKE should get finally canceled if SASUKE 33 is still an horrible show. Put the show down to the grave and we can all then remember it's glory days and competitors. After the end of days, everything is going to end sooner or later, right? Then let it happen. Why are you here? This is a forum for people who like this stuff, I don't get the bitterness.
|
|
|
Post by Miko on Jul 10, 2016 9:22:29 GMT -5
This wasn't SASUKE's first chance. This was 5th try to increase ratings and make SASUKE once again cool, but failing miserably. The show that doesn't have really much budget, doesn't listen it's viewers and doesn't really change anything (course, editing, etc). This kind of show doesn't deserve to continue anymore. SASUKE Rising era was the worst era of SASUKE, sadly. Not everyone likes what most of people likes. You like Justin Bieber? Cool, i don't. You watch ANW? Cool, i'm not interested. You liked SASUKE 32? Cool, i hated it. It is not wrong opinion and it's totally bulls**t that people try to shove their opinions down in our throats. It's not needed. SASUKE has now continued almost 20 years. It is a long time for a obstacle course show. In my opinion, SASUKE should get finally canceled if SASUKE 33 is still an horrible show. Put the show down to the grave and we can all then remember it's glory days and competitors. After the end of days, everything is going to end sooner or later, right? Then let it happen. Why are you here? This is a forum for people who like this stuff, I don't get the bitterness. Oh, sorry that i have just unpopular opinion. I love SASUKE, but last 5 tournaments have been really bad and there are no signs that they would learn about their mistakes, so what you can do about it? This topic is about the backlash what SASUKE deserved from their fans and i added my two cents for it. If you really can't take someone others opinions about something, then you shouldn't really discuss about it. Opinions are opinions.
|
|
|
Post by Philip on Jul 10, 2016 9:51:33 GMT -5
Yeah even though I have been critical to an extent of the editing, it didn't deter too much from my enjoyment of the tournament. If you don't think about the editing and just think about the runs, it was a very fun tournament. Sure, the editing could have been much much better, but there were a lot of awesome runs that we saw (and ones we didn't see, dammit I wanna see Sato's run lol). I just wish they uploaded every run on Youtube or something.
|
|