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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 21, 2016 16:27:31 GMT -5
Where to start, it seems every day on these forums there is a fresh controversy to argue about concerning NBC. But which are the worst?
For me, the worst is actually the most recent. Not inviting Japan to USA VS The World is pathetic and frankly insulting, highlighting everything wrong and hypocritical with NBC.
They make a special capitalising on the worldwide spread of Ninja Competitions, but don't invite the root cause of it all, like not inviting the director to the premiere of a movie. They make a team about a continent with no ninja competitions, whilst simultaneously keeping Team Europe stocked with non-Europeans while there are others that deserve a chance. They bill this as a "best in the world competition" but then go and put Jessie Graff on Team America to keep up with trends and "progressiveness". She's good, but not top 5, top 10 or even top 20 in America material.
It's infuriating and disappointing, especially since this year's was actually an improvement on the one before that, and the fact that EVERY team now has something wrong with it. I always looked forward to seeing the Japanese compete, regardless of the results, and by deeming the creators and the ones that are responsible for the existence of ANW as unworthy of taking on the course is in my opinion, the worst thing NBC has ever done.
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Post by thatoneuser on Jun 21, 2016 16:35:14 GMT -5
Why are we even having this discussion? It's bad enough that the regional threads have been polluted with NBC hate. No need to artificially drum up even more hate.
And by the way, you posted ANW8 spoilers in the general ANW thread.
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Post by Eclipse on Jun 21, 2016 16:51:35 GMT -5
If you want my honest opinion:
I still think NBC has done one of the best jobs with ANW. While ovcasionally cheesy the commentary is enjoyable, the structure of the show is great and the courses are well designed. Is it Sasuke? No, but NBC also never intended to appeal to the same crowd, since American and Japanese television is completely different.
While there have been a few things over the years objectively NBC has done a pretty great job, and they can be attributed to a large part of the popularity boom.
Also don't call out Jessie before the show airs. For all you know she could be top 20 or even better this year, as she is one of the better competitors regardless of gender.
If I'm going to for real answer your question, I think the worst thing ANW has is it's upper body focus. Backstream and the Tackle Blocks in Sasuke were a great way to mix that up and I feel like ANW should add a few in as well.
Past that I'm with thatoneuser, this thread seems like an unnecessary way to drum up controversy
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Post by TCM on Jun 21, 2016 17:09:22 GMT -5
As a mod, I am going to say there is a way to have this conversation in a reasonable manner and I strongly recommend people take that road and at the first sign of extreme conflict this is getting locked. Having the move this thread to ANW8 is not the greatest sign of confidence considering Japan's removal and Jessie's inclusion are not public yet.
As a poster, I think it's peculiar to only claim anything Jessie (or any notable woman for that matter) receives in regards to invites on teams for the ANW specials is not done because they had a strong season but because it's 'trendy' or 'progressive' to do so. It's easy to claim that when you never have to worry about inclusion. Intentions aside, you are going down a textbook slippery slope, especially considering we don't know her city finals and/or Vegas result in any official manner should she receive a Top 15 spot or Wildcard. Diversity is a good thing. She is a popular enough competitor, she has done relatively well. Choosing Jessie doesn't even make a top 5 list of ANW's vs. The World transgressions.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 21, 2016 17:14:48 GMT -5
As a mod, I am going to say there is a way to have this conversation in a reasonable manner and I strongly recommend people take that road and at the first sign of extreme conflict this is getting locked. Having the move this thread to ANW8 is not the greatest sign of confidence considering Japan's removal and Jessie's inclusion are not public yet. As a poster, I think it's peculiar to only claim anything Jessie (or any notable woman for that matter) receives in regards to invites on teams for the ANW specials is not done because they had a strong season but because it's 'trendy' or 'progressive' to do so. It's easy to claim that when you never have to worry about inclusion. Intentions aside, you are going down a textbook slippery slope, especially considering we don't know her city finals and/or Vegas result in any official manner should she receive a Top 15 spot or Wildcard. Diversity is a good thing. She is a popular enough competitor, she has done relatively well. Choosing Jessie doesn't even make a top 5 list of ANW's vs. The World transgressions. Choosing Jessie in itself isn't a problem. And in certain cases, diversity is a good thing. Just saying there are plenty of men deserving of the opportunity as well... |
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Post by blah123 on Jun 21, 2016 17:16:11 GMT -5
The worst thing NBC has done is acknowledge Geoff as a champion *walks away...*  |
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jun 21, 2016 17:53:44 GMT -5
I'm with Blah on this one... That's really the biggest mistake they made. I mean now they'll award EVERYONE who completes everything but it was this mistake that made this change so someone had to be the guinea pig.
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Post by DonalM on Jun 21, 2016 19:56:41 GMT -5
Definitely the exclusion of veterans because they had no good fluff piece
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Post by narcissus1916 on Jun 21, 2016 20:18:47 GMT -5
The lack of veterans irks, considering how many just disappear, never to be heard from again. Paul Kazmir was incredibly fun to watch, and I'm sad to see that he's apparently not competing any more (lack of invite, etc)
But I think the obstacles have been well designed year after year - things like the sonic curve show a level of innovation (and budget) that Sasuke largely doesn't have. Also, no backstream. Thank christ.
Team Ninja Warrior is a good spinoff too, a hell of a lot of fun.
USA vs The World is deeply problematic, from the shifty rule changes to the misleading editing to make certain teams look worse.
But seriously, Jessie Graff? Last year she nearly cleared one of the City Finals courses and did better than 90% of the men. ANW's fostering and encouragement of female competitors is one of the BEST aspects of the show, for me. The Catanzaro cult of personality is a bit much, but that's far better than the sausage fest that other versions seem to enjoy.
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Post by TCM on Jun 21, 2016 21:49:14 GMT -5
As a mod, I am going to say there is a way to have this conversation in a reasonable manner and I strongly recommend people take that road and at the first sign of extreme conflict this is getting locked. Having the move this thread to ANW8 is not the greatest sign of confidence considering Japan's removal and Jessie's inclusion are not public yet. As a poster, I think it's peculiar to only claim anything Jessie (or any notable woman for that matter) receives in regards to invites on teams for the ANW specials is not done because they had a strong season but because it's 'trendy' or 'progressive' to do so. It's easy to claim that when you never have to worry about inclusion. Intentions aside, you are going down a textbook slippery slope, especially considering we don't know her city finals and/or Vegas result in any official manner should she receive a Top 15 spot or Wildcard. Diversity is a good thing. She is a popular enough competitor, she has done relatively well. Choosing Jessie doesn't even make a top 5 list of ANW's vs. The World transgressions. Choosing Jessie in itself isn't a problem. And in certain cases, diversity is a good thing. Just saying there are plenty of men deserving of the opportunity as well.. Again, based off your wording you never would have considered her, or you would have but rejected her and considered that 'diverse' enough. 12 different men have been on the team in the three years the team has been around and 4 people got to be on the team twice. And it's clear they've deserved their spots. But choosing Jessie is enough to consider it one of the worst decisions NBC has done? There are indeed plenty of deserving men, but here's the thing: men are never gonna be wanting for consideration on the team. Meanwhile you're implying she took a guy's 'spot.' And if you don't mean to imply it, you are doing a very bad job of it. Not even gonna touch 'in certain cases' |
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Post by c0balt on Jun 21, 2016 21:51:28 GMT -5
The way they treat the competitors in general is the worst thing they do.
Also hold judgment on who they picked until you see the season and also I can confirm there is no time edits etc on any of Jessie's runs so what you see and where she places is what you get. I know they don't have a good track record with some other competitors.
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Post by beeeeeees on Jun 21, 2016 22:02:20 GMT -5
The lack of veterans irks, considering how many just disappear, never to be heard from again. Paul Kazmir was incredibly fun to watch, and I'm sad to see that he's apparently not competing any more (lack of invite, etc) But I think the obstacles have been well designed year after year - things like the sonic curve show a level of innovation (and budget) that Sasuke largely doesn't have. Also, no backstream. Thank christ. Team Ninja Warrior is a good spinoff too, a hell of a lot of fun. USA vs The World is deeply problematic, from the shifty rule changes to the misleading editing to make certain teams look worse. But seriously, Jessie Graff? Last year she nearly cleared one of the City Finals courses and did better than 90% of the men. ANW's fostering and encouragement of female competitors is one of the BEST aspects of the show, for me. The Catanzaro cult of personality is a bit much, but that's far better than the sausage fest that other versions seem to enjoy. Is it confirmed that Paul Kasemir didn't get an invite? |
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Post by SasukeForever on Jun 21, 2016 22:05:02 GMT -5
The lack of veterans irks, considering how many just disappear, never to be heard from again. Paul Kazmir was incredibly fun to watch, and I'm sad to see that he's apparently not competing any more (lack of invite, etc) But I think the obstacles have been well designed year after year - things like the sonic curve show a level of innovation (and budget) that Sasuke largely doesn't have. Also, no backstream. Thank christ. Team Ninja Warrior is a good spinoff too, a hell of a lot of fun. USA vs The World is deeply problematic, from the shifty rule changes to the misleading editing to make certain teams look worse. But seriously, Jessie Graff? Last year she nearly cleared one of the City Finals courses and did better than 90% of the men. ANW's fostering and encouragement of female competitors is one of the BEST aspects of the show, for me. The Catanzaro cult of personality is a bit much, but that's far better than the sausage fest that other versions seem to enjoy. Is it confirmed that Paul Kasemir didn't get an invite? If I heard right, not only did he not get an invite but he might not have sent in a video at all  |
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Post by beeeeeees on Jun 21, 2016 22:10:21 GMT -5
Yeah I was of the impression he didn't apply, but I was never sure if that was true. He was away on holiday during the time when submissions were happening though. Also he has a terrible beard now. He was my favourite, but now I'm not sure I can look at him |
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Post by marsllama on Jun 22, 2016 3:56:20 GMT -5
One of the worst things in my opinion is heap the weight of the world onto the shoulders of Kacy and Brent and hope nothing bad happens. On a personal level that's only ever gonna do damage to their performances.
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Post by Eclipse on Jun 22, 2016 3:58:54 GMT -5
One of the worst things in my opinion is heap the weight of the world onto the shoulders of Kacy and Brent and hope nothing bad happens. On a personal level that's only ever gonna do damage to their performances. Yeah I completely agree, and it applies to a few others. I thought it was very telling that Meagan Martin had to say 'I need to remind myself that this is fun' |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 5:42:08 GMT -5
Everything they've done to the spirit of the game. From fixing USA vs the World to giving Geoff nothing for winning...
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Post by marsllama on Jun 22, 2016 6:49:02 GMT -5
Surprised nobody's mentioned the intro to last year's Venice Finals episode.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 22, 2016 7:01:11 GMT -5
Replaced Sasuke on domestic television.
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Post by SolitudeSeeker. on Jun 22, 2016 7:20:18 GMT -5
Why are we even having this discussion? It's bad enough that the regional threads have been polluted with NBC hate. No need to artificially drum up even more hate. And by the way, you posted ANW8 spoilers in the general ANW thread. I know this sounds off-topic and irrelevant, however, I wanted to type your post made me feel a lot better, oneuser, as I was afraid most of my warning percent may have been because people did not like me. As this post was yesterday. I think I need to shut up now. |
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