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Post by arsenette on Jun 12, 2016 15:54:08 GMT -5
It is only a dumb question if you didn't hear "Who will become the FIRST American Ninja Warrior " for 7 years...
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 13, 2016 6:29:08 GMT -5
It is only a dumb question if you didn't hear "Who will become the FIRST American Ninja Warrior " for 7 years... Except the whole time NBC was pushing that, they were expecting a standalone winner at the end who they could focus 100% on. We got two champions back to back, with a massive imbalance of focus between them. Now that we have two champions, we can now see how dumb it actually was. Does it matter who did it first? Isn't the fact someone did it at all enough?
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Post by arsenette on Jun 13, 2016 7:57:23 GMT -5
It is only a dumb question if you didn't hear "Who will become the FIRST American Ninja Warrior " for 7 years... Except the whole time NBC was pushing that, they were expecting a standalone winner at the end who they could focus 100% on. We got two champions back to back, with a massive imbalance of focus between them. Now that we have two champions, we can now see how dumb it actually was. Does it matter who did it first? Isn't the fact someone did it at all enough? What NBC did to Geoff was wrong. I don't find that "dumb " at all. It matters to everyone who cared what happened to him. We wouldn't still be talking about it if it was trivial.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 13, 2016 8:43:13 GMT -5
Except the whole time NBC was pushing that, they were expecting a standalone winner at the end who they could focus 100% on. We got two champions back to back, with a massive imbalance of focus between them. Now that we have two champions, we can now see how dumb it actually was. Does it matter who did it first? Isn't the fact someone did it at all enough? What NBC did to Geoff was wrong. I don't find that "dumb " at all. It matters to everyone who cared what happened to him. We wouldn't still be talking about it if it was trivial. Yawn. How dumb do you think the people of this forum are? We KNOW it is wrong. But at this point, almost a year since it happened, the point has been discussed to death already. You have to question, when GEOFF HIMSELF posted on the forums about how people need to let it go and stop getting so worked up over an injustice that will likely never be resolved, at what point your protests and fury become redundant. Because I'll tell ya', you and others are beginning to sound like a broken record.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 13, 2016 9:15:44 GMT -5
If you want to dismiss the question by the OP then feel free to ignore the post. More people still feel strongly to comment on the question. Which is the point of the thread. The season just started and we have new people who just joined and don't have the benefit of the background we have had the last year. Still a relevant question especially since Geoffs region hasn't even aired yet.
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Post by cole77000 on Jun 13, 2016 9:38:59 GMT -5
I originally posted this just to get some numbers on people's opinions of this. Yes it's been discussed to death but we haven't actually had an opinion poll on it yet.
Up until this point we just hear the loud people (as what happens with every topic on every forum ever) and I was curious as to what the breakdown was when everyone got once vote.
I'm honestly a bit surprised that so many people went with the "both" category. Seems that this particular question is less divisive than originally anticipated.
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Post by dlee on Jun 14, 2016 11:15:24 GMT -5
First placed in sports isnt just given to the person who competes first tho. if the person who runs last (in order) get the best time, they win FIRST place. That isn't good reasoning, you don't say that Uruguay was the first team the play soccer just because they won the first World Cup, that belongs to England and Scotland (officially) read the first sentence i wrote & then what u said.
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Post by Ben Baker on Jul 2, 2016 8:37:20 GMT -5
I really like when NBC shows Geoff or Issac, they both give them the title "First American Ninja Warrior". Out of all of NBC's crap, they got that right Haha
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Post by beeeeeees on Jul 2, 2016 9:29:19 GMT -5
It seems like, by definition, Geoff was first, because he completed it first. Likewise Isaac was the "winner" because he won. I have never been able to understand why there is debate about this. The word "first" is easy to understand, and it's undeniable who completed it first. Same goes for "winner". First doesn't mean "best", "fastest", or "winner". It's simply not true to say that both of them were first. Of course Geoff wasn't first because he was better. Isaac was better, and that's why he won. It seems like people are arguing Geoff wasn't first merely because they're trying to imply some sort of merit to "first".
Hitting all six buzzers is completely irrelevant. They competed on different courses, and the city competitions are just qualifiers. Do you people complain when an Olympian wins a gold medal despite not winning the semi-finals? All you need to do to win gold is qualify for the final. Win the final, and you're the winner. The same applies for ANW. You can be the last qualifier in every round except round 4, and still be the winner. This year it looks like people will qualify for Vegas without even getting up to the warped wall in the city competitions. If those people climb the stage 4 ropes, they're winners, despite their qualifying efforts. You can't just make up your own rules to the show.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 2, 2016 11:22:02 GMT -5
It seems like, by definition, Geoff was first, because he completed it first. Likewise Isaac was the "winner" because he won. I have never been able to understand why there is debate about this. The word "first" is easy to understand, and it's undeniable who completed it first. Same goes for "winner". First doesn't mean "best", "fastest", or "winner". It's simply not true to say that both of them were first. Of course Geoff wasn't first because he was better. Isaac was better, and that's why he won. It seems like people are arguing Geoff wasn't first merely because they're trying to imply some sort of merit to "first". Hitting all six buzzers is completely irrelevant. They competed on different courses, and the city competitions are just qualifiers. Do you people complain when an Olympian wins a gold medal despite not winning the semi-finals? All you need to do to win gold is qualify for the final. Win the final, and you're the winner. The same applies for ANW. You can be the last qualifier in every round except round 4, and still be the winner. This year it looks like people will qualify for Vegas without even getting up to the warped wall in the city competitions. If those people climb the stage 4 ropes, they're winners, despite their qualifying efforts. You can't just make up your own rules to the show. Ninja Warrior was not the Olympics. The argument is because of what Isaac said to Geoff and what NBC perpetuated. The rules were clear for the money portion only. They are BOTH champions. As for first it was a pissing game created by Isaac and the core of the vitriol whenever anyone tried to say he wasn't the "first". He's since quieted down since Geoff IS a Champion. He just not the financial winner - something that doesn't exist in Sasuke which is after all the reason why ANW exists. This rule ONLY exists in the USA and no other spin off nor does the original make a determination like that. THAT is why people were angry how Geoff was treated. NBC has since corrected the situation and crowned Geoff as co-champion of ANW7 even though he was not the winner of the grand money prize. And as far as your Olympics analogy goes - they both completed the event within the time limit they both would have won the gold medal. There have been even 3 way ties in the Olympics. Apples and oranges comparison especially since ANW made that final climb a "race" to the money. If it wasn't there wouldn't have been a timer to begin with.
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Post by Ben Baker on Jul 2, 2016 15:32:54 GMT -5
Exactly Arsenette. Someone had to climb the rope first, but just because they completed it, doesn't mean they were first. They both completed stage 4 in the same season which make them both champions. That's why the show was made to be man against the clock. Not man vs man
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Post by cole77000 on Jul 2, 2016 21:06:48 GMT -5
Yeah there are generally two camps. One that think the answer is Geoff and one that thinks the answer is both.
Not ultimately it comes down to what size time interval you are measuring with to determine the answer. If measuring in continuous time, the answer is Geoff. If answering using units of time as large as seasons of ANW, its both.
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Post by beeeeeees on Jul 3, 2016 2:48:24 GMT -5
It seems like, by definition, Geoff was first, because he completed it first. Likewise Isaac was the "winner" because he won. I have never been able to understand why there is debate about this. The word "first" is easy to understand, and it's undeniable who completed it first. Same goes for "winner". First doesn't mean "best", "fastest", or "winner". It's simply not true to say that both of them were first. Of course Geoff wasn't first because he was better. Isaac was better, and that's why he won. It seems like people are arguing Geoff wasn't first merely because they're trying to imply some sort of merit to "first". Hitting all six buzzers is completely irrelevant. They competed on different courses, and the city competitions are just qualifiers. Do you people complain when an Olympian wins a gold medal despite not winning the semi-finals? All you need to do to win gold is qualify for the final. Win the final, and you're the winner. The same applies for ANW. You can be the last qualifier in every round except round 4, and still be the winner. This year it looks like people will qualify for Vegas without even getting up to the warped wall in the city competitions. If those people climb the stage 4 ropes, they're winners, despite their qualifying efforts. You can't just make up your own rules to the show. Ninja Warrior was not the Olympics. The argument is because of what Isaac said to Geoff and what NBC perpetuated. The rules were clear for the money portion only. They are BOTH champions. As for first it was a pissing game created by Isaac and the core of the vitriol whenever anyone tried to say he wasn't the "first". He's since quieted down since Geoff IS a Champion. He just not the financial winner - something that doesn't exist in Sasuke which is after all the reason why ANW exists. This rule ONLY exists in the USA and no other spin off nor does the original make a determination like that. THAT is why people were angry how Geoff was treated. NBC has since corrected the situation and crowned Geoff as co-champion of ANW7 even though he was not the winner of the grand money prize. And as far as your Olympics analogy goes - they both completed the event within the time limit they both would have won the gold medal. There have been even 3 way ties in the Olympics. Apples and oranges comparison especially since ANW made that final climb a "race" to the money. If it wasn't there wouldn't have been a timer to begin with. I don't follow you. The Olympic analogy that I made was in reference to people saying that Geoff is first because he hit all 6 buzzers. That's why I say "do you people complain when an Olympian wins a gold medal despite not winning the semi-final" - because not hitting all 6 buzzers is like coming 3rd in the semi final and then winning the final. There's no rule in ANW that you have to hit every buzzer, and everybody knows that. Claiming that because Isaac didn't hit all 6 buzzers, and Geoff did, means something about who was "first" is just making things up. I'm sorry this analogy was difficult for you to understand.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 3, 2016 2:53:48 GMT -5
All of it is irrelevant now that NBC said BOTH are first since they both cleared the obstacle under the time limit.
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Post by beeeeeees on Jul 3, 2016 4:01:48 GMT -5
Not really, because the word "first" has a pretty clear meaning, and no matter how many people say that they were "both" first or that Isaac was first, it is clearly factually true that Geoff was literally first. Whatever titles people give them, the meaning of the word "first" isn't going to change.
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