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Post by SasukeForever on Jun 9, 2016 21:40:31 GMT -5
15 from each regional, so 75 legit qualifiers in total. How they'll choose the wildcards is anyone's guess, although I think they'll go for the female thing again. I have conflicted feelings about wildcards- I'd rather there were none at all, but if they must be used, I wouldn't want them to go to people who are likely to reach stage 2 or 3 but haven't qualified legitimately because otherwise failing in the city qualifiers or city finals has no consequence at all for established ninjas. As far as I can tell they usually pick elite wild cards only if they fell in City Finals. And if they get to city finals and fall before the salmon ladder, it's still unlikely. Look at Flip, Drew, and Brent in season 6. Well season 6 was different because they took 16-18th place in each region as wild cards (Bernardo said that's why he got in Vegas that year)...the women thing is probably what they'll go with again I'm guessing.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 9, 2016 22:29:49 GMT -5
As far as I can tell they usually pick elite wild cards only if they fell in City Finals. And if they get to city finals and fall before the salmon ladder, it's still unlikely. Look at Flip, Drew, and Brent in season 6. Well season 6 was different because they took 16-18th place in each region as wild cards (Bernardo said that's why he got in Vegas that year)...the women thing is probably what they'll go with again I'm guessing. That was season 5 not 6 but yeah
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Post by matt723894 on Jun 10, 2016 15:59:00 GMT -5
Since I'm not under NDA yet I can say a couple things I saw driving by the course. Stage 1 is surprisingly VERY similar to last year. Jumping Spider through Warped Wall is the same. Silk Slider is gone. Instead is a VERY intense log grip with literally like 5 drops. Good luck short people...
Stage 2 looks like it's keeping the DSL, Butterfly Wall, and Wall Lifting. Surprised there weren't major changes to the DSL.
Stage 3 has the UCH with the crazy lache. Biggest mystery is after the UCH and before the Hang Climb. It's a weird Big Dipper shaped structure that looks almost like the body prop.
Anyway, looks like a fun year!
No, not that awful butterfly wall. That obstacle is completely unfair for short people and only exists to make it so the Japanese can't win anything on stage two in USA vs the world. At least rope jungle and the silk slider are gone.
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Post by ekkerb11 on Jun 10, 2016 16:36:24 GMT -5
Since I'm not under NDA yet I can say a couple things I saw driving by the course. Stage 1 is surprisingly VERY similar to last year. Jumping Spider through Warped Wall is the same. Silk Slider is gone. Instead is a VERY intense log grip with literally like 5 drops. Good luck short people...
Stage 2 looks like it's keeping the DSL, Butterfly Wall, and Wall Lifting. Surprised there weren't major changes to the DSL.
Stage 3 has the UCH with the crazy lache. Biggest mystery is after the UCH and before the Hang Climb. It's a weird Big Dipper shaped structure that looks almost like the body prop.
Anyway, looks like a fun year!
No, not that awful butterfly wall. That obstacle is completely unfair for short people and only exists to make it so the Japanese can't win anything on stage two in USA vs the world. At least rope jungle and the silk slider are gone. I am not sure if Rope Jungle is gone. They just hadn't hung the ropes when I went by. And the butterfly wall isn't in yet, but the way there's a tall wall with a rope next to it makes me think it's staying.
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Post by Tico on Jun 12, 2016 9:33:02 GMT -5
Since I'm not under NDA yet I can say a couple things I saw driving by the course. Stage 1 is surprisingly VERY similar to last year. Jumping Spider through Warped Wall is the same. Silk Slider is gone. Instead is a VERY intense log grip with literally like 5 drops. Good luck short people...
Stage 2 looks like it's keeping the DSL, Butterfly Wall, and Wall Lifting. Surprised there weren't major changes to the DSL.
Stage 3 has the UCH with the crazy lache. Biggest mystery is after the UCH and before the Hang Climb. It's a weird Big Dipper shaped structure that looks almost like the body prop.
Anyway, looks like a fun year!
No, not that awful butterfly wall. That obstacle is completely unfair for short people and only exists to make it so the Japanese can't win anything on stage two in USA vs the world. At least rope jungle and the silk slider are gone. What is considered "short"?
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Post by TCM on Jun 12, 2016 10:40:44 GMT -5
In ANW it seems like if you aren't 5'10'' or more you're short and your skill should be immediately questioned. Keep in mind most of the Japanese who've competed in ANW vs. The World are under 5'8''. ANW certainly builds the obstacle at a scale that ends up disadvantaging those of a certain height and wingspan. A lot of ANW's technique seems to be 'can you lache this ridiculous gap'.
ANW loves the notion of 'equality' but not 'equity'.
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Post by Achiereot on Jun 12, 2016 18:02:16 GMT -5
In ANW it seems like if you aren't 5'10'' or more you're short and your skill should be immediately questioned. Keep in mind most of the Japanese who've competed in ANW vs. The World are under 5'8''. ANW certainly builds the obstacle at a scale that ends up disadvantaging those of a certain height and wingspan. A lot of ANW's technique seems to be 'can you lache this ridiculous gap'. ANW loves the notion of 'equality' but not 'equity'. I don't think it's fair to blame NBC for the Japanese not having success on the American course. It's more a matter of skills and experience.
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Post by matt723894 on Jun 12, 2016 18:30:02 GMT -5
In ANW it seems like if you aren't 5'10'' or more you're short and your skill should be immediately questioned. Keep in mind most of the Japanese who've competed in ANW vs. The World are under 5'8''. ANW certainly builds the obstacle at a scale that ends up disadvantaging those of a certain height and wingspan. A lot of ANW's technique seems to be 'can you lache this ridiculous gap'. ANW loves the notion of 'equality' but not 'equity'. I don't think it's fair to blame NBC for the Japanese not having success on the American course. It's more a matter of skills and experience. Oh yes it is. Not really on stage two, because the japanese have some difference between salmon latters that gives them a lot of trouble, but on stage three and one. Absolutely. Why do you think that everyone fell on the Jumping Spider last tournament? It's because NBC changed the angle to make it harder to get deeper into the wall, but it backfired when everyone fell on it, not just the Japanese. In stage three, Asa was preparing to go onto stage three. In practice, Asa saw everyone skipping cannonballs, and grabbing the wires on cannonball ally, so that's what he plans to do. When he walks up to the starting platform, he is explicitly told, no skipping cannonballs and no grabbing wires. This confuses and disorients him, so he falls on the first obstacle. Later in the competition, who skips cannonballs and grabs wires without punishment? Literally every competitor on USA and Europe. In the last competition, Kawaguchi Tomohiro fell on the doorknob grasper. Why, you may ask? Because he wasn't told the last two doorknobs spun and fell immediately. And if you haven't heard about the rigging of the first USA vs the World, you should check that out.
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Post by c0balt on Jun 12, 2016 18:32:07 GMT -5
In ANW it seems like if you aren't 5'10'' or more you're short and your skill should be immediately questioned. Keep in mind most of the Japanese who've competed in ANW vs. The World are under 5'8''. ANW certainly builds the obstacle at a scale that ends up disadvantaging those of a certain height and wingspan. A lot of ANW's technique seems to be 'can you lache this ridiculous gap'. ANW loves the notion of 'equality' but not 'equity'. This is just wrong. They seek out short testers and specifically test for Kacy's height at least past 2 seasons. Name a specific obstacle that is unfair to shorter contestants and I'll point out all the weight to grip strength obstacles that favor smaller competitors. I see this argument soo often and most times it is due to ignorance, have you ever been on the course or even trained at the ninja gyms? Do you know why gymnasts are all short? If anything there should be more obstacles that let tall people have some advantages to save energy for ALL the pump grip strength s*** they have on the show.
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Post by matt723894 on Jun 12, 2016 18:40:52 GMT -5
In ANW it seems like if you aren't 5'10'' or more you're short and your skill should be immediately questioned. Keep in mind most of the Japanese who've competed in ANW vs. The World are under 5'8''. ANW certainly builds the obstacle at a scale that ends up disadvantaging those of a certain height and wingspan. A lot of ANW's technique seems to be 'can you lache this ridiculous gap'. ANW loves the notion of 'equality' but not 'equity'. This is just wrong. They seek out short testers and specifically test for Kacy's height at least past 2 seasons. Name a specific obstacle that is unfair to shorter contestants and I'll point out all the weight to grip strength obstacles that favor smaller competitors. I see this argument soo often and most times it is due to ignorance, have you ever been on the course or even trained at the ninja gyms? Do you know why gymnasts are all short? If anything there should be more obstacles that let tall people have some advantages to save energy for ALL the pump grip strength s*** they have on the show. The butterfly wall and the Jumping spider, both which severally handicap shorter competitors. The pole grasper from stage three last year, (made obvious by Ryo) the spin cycle, the cargo crossing, the warped wall, the log grip, the giant wheel and propeller bar, the list goes on and on.
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Post by c0balt on Jun 12, 2016 19:05:29 GMT -5
The butterfly wall if you are lighter easier to move your weight easier to get to being taller so pretty equal there.
Jumping spider easier to get to, but again easier to stick being lighter. They made it narrower last year and now is actually harder for taller competitors.
Pole grasper easier for taller people to reach from one to another, but again not impossible for shorter contestants and is needed to cancel out the huge weight advantages they have on other obstacles.
Spin cycle in vegas you would have to be majorly tall! It was make the transfer or fail and again with all the pump beforehand shorter lighter competitors will be going in fresher and using less energy.
Can go on and on, you have to look at the course as a whole. Being taller myself I can say for a fact I cannot complete a whole course I will just wear out. So I have no sympathy for shorter contestants having to struggle on stuff as well.
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Post by aquamassage on Jun 12, 2016 19:44:23 GMT -5
IS the Final Stage just a rope climb?
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Post by notamulti on Jun 12, 2016 19:50:21 GMT -5
The butterfly wall if you are lighter easier to move your weight easier to get to being taller so pretty equal there. Oh yeah, because that logic also applies to basketball too, doesn't it! A 5ft tall Asian can dunk just as easily as a 7ft black man because he is lighter and his weight is easier to move. That explains why there are just as many 5ft tall NBA players as there are 7ft ones.
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Post by TCM on Jun 12, 2016 20:05:52 GMT -5
Gymnasts are tailored for very specific acts, otherwise gynmasts would be ruling the course instead of rock climbers if just their height did it. You can have the best strength/weight ratio but if you don't have the reach, it won't matter.
And the Japanese's troubles on the American course due to NBC not giving them a fair chance has long been noted. At this point, not knowing about it is by choice, which is fine, but don't pass it off as the Japanese just not being good enough.
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Post by c0balt on Jun 13, 2016 13:54:42 GMT -5
The butterfly wall if you are lighter easier to move your weight easier to get to being taller so pretty equal there. Oh yeah, because that logic also applies to basketball too, doesn't it! A 5ft tall Asian can dunk just as easily as a 7ft black man because he is lighter and his weight is easier to move. That explains why there are just as many 5ft tall NBA players as there are 7ft ones. Yea, cuz in basketball players spend a lot of time hanging by their fingers. LIKE I SAID YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE COURSE. There is too short and too tall to complete the whole thing, but too short is under 5 feet ffs.
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Post by Philip on Jun 13, 2016 14:52:16 GMT -5
In ANW it seems like if you aren't 5'10'' or more you're short and your skill should be immediately questioned. Keep in mind most of the Japanese who've competed in ANW vs. The World are under 5'8''. ANW certainly builds the obstacle at a scale that ends up disadvantaging those of a certain height and wingspan. A lot of ANW's technique seems to be 'can you lache this ridiculous gap'. ANW loves the notion of 'equality' but not 'equity'. To be fair, I would have issues on some of the Sasuke obstacles because it favors smaller competitors to an extent. Tomo is like 5'9" and he made the Spider Climb seem so narrow, let alone someone 5 inches taller.
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Post by ninjar on Jun 13, 2016 15:21:39 GMT -5
Everyone please get back on topic
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Post by ekkerb11 on Jun 14, 2016 0:27:19 GMT -5
Stage 4 has no rope, spider climb, or anything at all. You have to run up the steps in the scaffolding in under 30 seconds. Changing things up big time this year.
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Post by penguincatfish on Jun 14, 2016 0:51:22 GMT -5
Stage 4 has no rope, spider climb, or anything at all. You have to run up the steps in the scaffolding in under 30 seconds. Changing things up big time this year. Impossible unless you're a dog.
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Post by Achiereot on Jun 14, 2016 11:19:37 GMT -5
Stage 4 has no rope, spider climb, or anything at all. You have to run up the steps in the scaffolding in under 30 seconds. Changing things up big time this year. Impossible unless you're a dog. Lmao!
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