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Post by ninjapodcast on Mar 15, 2016 21:36:54 GMT -5
Well, whether you agree with them or not, NBC has made their position clear at least. That's one way to TRY to solve the ambiguity, but most of us don't really care how they view it anyway. It's open to everyone's interpretation and a lot of people feel strongly both ways.
I'm actually more bothered by Isaac's hashtag "#oneandonly". That's just unnecessary, unsportsmanlike, and frankly childish. (yes, I'm aware of previous instances suggesting the same)
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Post by arsenette on Mar 15, 2016 21:47:37 GMT -5
Now that he brought it up... This was one of the fights he had with NBC.. He demanded the trophy and to be named sole winner cutting out Geoff of any recognition. So we'll see what else NBC caves to next. I find the callousness breathtaking not from Isaac since his position was clear from the beginning but from NBC throwing Geoff under the bus.
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Post by Tico on Mar 15, 2016 22:11:12 GMT -5
Guys, going by the "series rules", he is the First American Ninja Warrior. Geoff completed the final stage, yes, but the competition was not over at that point and there was one competitor left to try and beat the previous time set. Quick example, first ever Triple jump (track and field). Person A jumps 40 feet on their last attempt (currently in 1st Geoff) Person B jumps 46 feet on their last attempt making B the First Triple Jump Winner/Champion. Defined by the rules ALL competitors play by, Isaac IS the First American Ninja Warrior. Geoff is a runner-up. This is not Sasuke.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 15, 2016 22:23:18 GMT -5
For a show that exists as the American REPLACEMENT for Sasuke you should understand why the public outcry is so huge. Kunoichi has a set of co-champions. Only NBC decided to change it from man vs course to man vs man. Geoff did everything NBC asked him to do. Now he doesn't even have a title for defeating the worlds toughest obstacle course. That is inherently wrong. This is a Sasuke spin off. Had this happened in Japan we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 15, 2016 22:28:41 GMT -5
Guys, going by the "series rules", he is the First American Ninja Warrior. Geoff completed the final stage, yes, but the competition was not over at that point and there was one competitor left to try and beat the previous time set. Quick example, first ever Triple jump (track and field). Person A jumps 40 feet on their last attempt (currently in 1st Geoff) Person B jumps 46 feet on their last attempt making B the First Triple Jump Winner/Champion. Defined by the rules ALL competitors play by, Isaac IS the First American Ninja Warrior. Geoff is a runner-up. This is not Sasuke. I think the main dispute of the matter is the fact that aside from the fastest = winner takes all, the fact that ANW operates 99% under Sasuke rules as far as Vegas is concerned, at the very least Geoff at least deserves some credit for achieving kanzen seiha instead of just waved off as an "also competed", The fact aside from a microscopic amount of time he literally had the most perfect season anyone could have, something only 5 other people in combined series history (I know people hate mixing history but you know what, Akiyama, Nagano, Yuuji, Morimoto, Geoff and Isaac are the only 6 people to ever do this) have ever had... At the very least they should acknowledge he was the first and give him some credit. It's not as much the fact Isaac gets money and a trophy (Although really there are many people pissed about the whole only fastest gets anything but you know what that's been around since ANW1 so a lot of us are at peace with that even though we hoped it would never come up...) but the fact that Geoff isn't even ACKNOWLEDGED as any form of Champion...
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Post by ninjapodcast on Mar 15, 2016 22:28:56 GMT -5
That's how you determine the winner Tico, not who was "first". Nobody is arguing who won.
The problem is that EVERYBODY is right, because there is no right answer.
I just listened to my interview with Matt Iseman again (shameless plug), because it's the closest I have to an official source. He states clearly that the show tried to make it clear that BOTH of them were American Ninja Warriors. If that is the case, you can argue that Geoff earned that title first.
However, the title of First American Ninja Warrior was something that people have been trying to obtain for years now. It is a badge of honor that, clearly, Isaac (and others) felt was part of the prize of winning. He is the first champion and the first winner, so a case can be made for that as well.
Bottom line is that there are two people who were first. They were the first American Ninja Warriors and it's so sad to see a sport that is famed for its cooperative spirit to be so divided over this.
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Post by thatoneuser on Mar 15, 2016 22:29:05 GMT -5
Never mind, I've lost it. At this point Geoff should just quit after the disrespect he's been given. I'd encourage the top ninjas to sit out this season in protest.
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Post by Philip on Mar 15, 2016 22:33:16 GMT -5
Isaac knows exactly what he is doing. a*****e needs to f*** off.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 15, 2016 22:35:47 GMT -5
Never mind, I've lost it. At this point Geoff should just quit after the disrespect he's been given. I'd encourage the top ninjas to sit out this season in protest. That wouldn't help things, that'd just make things worse and open up more spots for people like Isaac only in it for the money and TV time... And you know that would just make things worse in general since the community as a whole would get a bad reputation because of it... And that wouldn't just hurt NBC that'd hurt all the gyms since people would blindly assume that everyone is douchebags when they see hundreds of Isaacs running around on TV... as much as I hate the actions of NBC in regards to the treatments of both champions, that idea would really just make things worse as a whole...
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Post by Geoffnotjeff on Mar 15, 2016 22:38:05 GMT -5
Guys, going by the "series rules", he is the First American Ninja Warrior. Geoff completed the final stage, yes, but the competition was not over at that point and there was one competitor left to try and beat the previous time set. Quick example, first ever Triple jump (track and field). Person A jumps 40 feet on their last attempt (currently in 1st Geoff) Person B jumps 46 feet on their last attempt making B the First Triple Jump Winner/Champion. Defined by the rules ALL competitors play by, Isaac IS the First American Ninja Warrior. Geoff is a runner-up. This is not Sasuke. They told us anyone who finishes the stage, gets the title. They also repeated that on TV. Yes I didn't win, duh, I got crushed. However I did finish the stage, and however you wa t to go about it it's fair to say I did it first. To say I'm not The 1st is saying I don't deserve a title at all. He gets his trophy, and I'm happy for him, he really really wanted it. He earned it! Of course the trophy should go to the winner, not something i deserve at all. But to claim I don't get a title doesn't make sense. Heck, on the final show they said I was the 1st ANW. And your example doesn't quite work, a better one would be there is a giant pit you have to jump over. We both cleared it, and Isaac cleared it by more than me. He wins! But we both cleared the obstacle.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 15, 2016 22:45:40 GMT -5
Guys, going by the "series rules", he is the First American Ninja Warrior. Geoff completed the final stage, yes, but the competition was not over at that point and there was one competitor left to try and beat the previous time set. Quick example, first ever Triple jump (track and field). Person A jumps 40 feet on their last attempt (currently in 1st Geoff) Person B jumps 46 feet on their last attempt making B the First Triple Jump Winner/Champion. Defined by the rules ALL competitors play by, Isaac IS the First American Ninja Warrior. Geoff is a runner-up. This is not Sasuke. They told us anyone who finishes the stage, gets the title. They also repeated that on TV. Yes I didn't win, duh, I got crushed. However I did finish the stage, and however you wa t to go about it it's fair to say I did it first. To say I'm not The 1st is saying I don't deserve a title at all. He gets his trophy, and I'm happy for him, he really really wanted it. He earned it! Of course the trophy should go to the winner, not something i deserve at all. But to claim I don't get a title doesn't make sense. Heck, on the final show they said I was the 1st ANW. And your example doesn't quite work, a better one would be there is a giant pit you have to jump over. We both cleared it, and Isaac cleared it by more than me. He wins! But we both cleared the obstacle. The fact that NBC caved to the single biggest argument (Title and trophy) from all my sources is proof that you are about to be a footnote in history. Never ONCE did they say you were Champion like they did with Isaac (trust me I was looking for it on the USA vs. World show). ANYONE that clears the course is a champion. In Japan you are a Champion. Period. Even Matt earlier mentioned that very early on (months ago), however they say he is the winner (because of the rules) and I get that. I'm not going to say he should be stripped of the title. I'm protesting the fact that he got the trophy after a 4 month battle with NBC to strip you of any noteworthiness. And he won. He has the tile. He can now say he is the ONLY American Ninja Warrior. That was part of the fight. So unless they gave him the trophy to shut him up and shut the door behind him there's no reason for me to think that they won't just say "Oh Geoff is a Ninja Warrior but we won't say that he's Champion because we only have one champion". That.. is bulls**t. (sorry.. tried.. couldn't do it without cursing). Again.. if this happened in Japan we wouldn't even be having this conversation at all. You defeated Mount Midoriyama.. you weren't supposed to defeat another competitor. THAT is the reason why most of us hate ANW.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 15, 2016 22:46:28 GMT -5
"#oneandonly"
Booooooooooy. He's still throwing shade after all this time. I think he has a superiority complex.
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Post by ninjar on Mar 15, 2016 22:47:19 GMT -5
Issac is a poor sport, they both cleared the final stage, but Isaac wants all the recognition
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Mar 15, 2016 22:54:21 GMT -5
I kinda feel grateful he didn't acknowledge my friend request. He seriously has Yamada vibes... But still. I get he won. I won't consider him first. He was second but he was just faster. Geoff was first. That isn't changing. NBC can definitely try to rewrite it but for us, we know.
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Post by Tico on Mar 15, 2016 23:06:04 GMT -5
Everyone has very valid points, but I'm saying this:
Technically - You cleared the final stage first. Issac cleared after you giving both of you the title of American Ninja Warrior. No Doubt.
By Rules -There is no co-champion and Issac is crowned the First American Ninja Warrior.
When I see or hear "First American Ninja Warrior" I instantly go with who came in 1st once the dust has settled. I believe that's where some of the disconnect is. You are the "First" ANW and he is the "First" ANW Champion.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 15, 2016 23:18:51 GMT -5
I understand the argument but it is flawed at its core for a very simple reason. This is a spin off of Sasuke. They named their course after it. They use the same obstacles. They bring up Sasuke history when talking about their own. They still pay TBS royalties for the name Ninja Warrior which still belongs to Japan. For a decade we have been trained when you see someone clear, they cleared. Period. No one else was privy to the NDA. Only maniacs like us read the NDA (since a great number of SMF have been on ANW in one way or the other) and even some have been on both shows. The rules of Sasuke is that if you clear the course within the time period you win. Period. Imagine telling Nagano he's not champion because Shunsuke Nagasaki went up faster (if that situation ever happened). Or even better.. saying that Rie Komiya is NOT Kunoichi Champion.. yeah.. good luck with that. So for the audience to see Geoff go up first, Akbar say he's the First American Ninja Warrior and then told later "nope.. you didn't see that.. nothing to see here.. Isaac did it faster so that erases Geoff from ever clearing the final stage within the time limit".. we go "wai.. what?" BOTH deserve that title. Let Isaac have his trophy and million because that was in the rules. That's not what we are arguing here. The sole title and Trophy was denied by NBC for over 4 months now. That along with other requests like being a paid celeb by NBC and other stupid things Isaac demanded when he was infuriated that he had to qualify again. So the fact that NBC mailed him that trophy means that Isaac won that fight.
Now we get to find out if part of sending that trophy to Isaac also included the demand from Isaac to strip Geoff of any recognition. That was the crux of the fight that as of now was not public. I'm infuriated with NBC right now because that signals that they are willing to cave to Isaac's demands. One other way of seeing it though is "here's your damn trophy now GTFO"..
Either way.. I don't want this jackass in Japan. No way in hell does he embody sportsmanlike conduct and is not a representative of America.
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Post by cole77000 on Mar 15, 2016 23:26:54 GMT -5
They told us anyone who finishes the stage, gets the title. They also repeated that on TV. Yes I didn't win, duh, I got crushed. However I did finish the stage, and however you wa t to go about it it's fair to say I did it first. To say I'm not The 1st is saying I don't deserve a title at all. He gets his trophy, and I'm happy for him, he really really wanted it. He earned it! Of course the trophy should go to the winner, not something i deserve at all. But to claim I don't get a title doesn't make sense. Heck, on the final show they said I was the 1st ANW. And your example doesn't quite work, a better one would be there is a giant pit you have to jump over. We both cleared it, and Isaac cleared it by more than me. He wins! But we both cleared the obstacle. I really admire your attitude towards this, given all the info that is out there. Although I'm not particularly happy with how NBC seems to be handling this two winner situation, I would like to stress that the vast majority of us do not know Isaac at all as a person (there are a few exceptions of course) and thus don't have all of the information available to us. And that's all he is when you get down to it: just another person (a really talented person, but I digress). I would encourage all of you to try your best to parse the difference between Isaac's choices and NBCs choices. Many were quick to point a finger at Isaac for ANWs different top prize rules when in fact this was in no way his fault. Sure, I may not like so much the way he is making his exit, but I don't believe he deserves a classic, "guilty until proven innocent" internet mob.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 15, 2016 23:32:40 GMT -5
I would encourage all of you to try your best to parse the difference between Isaac's choices and NBCs choices. Many were quick to point a finger at Isaac for ANWs different top prize rules when in fact this was in no way his fault. Sure, I may not like so much the way he is making his exit, but I don't believe he deserves a classic, "guilty until proven innocent" internet mob. We know Isaac. He's gone on every major newspaper worldwide to trash every other competitor, Japan and Geoff specifically. I've linked every article. All you need to do is read his words. In a court of public opinion he's presented his evidence already. He's an a**. He won.. but he's still an a**. Heck.. ask the Wolfpack how they feel about being dumped by their best friend because they weren't at the same level as him? Explain how he is supposed to be proven guilty then? What possible evidence do you need to make up your mind of his unsportsmanlike behavior? What NBC does is a totally different thread honestly. We are talking about Isaac and he's said plenty over the past several months for all of us to make up our minds. It's not like this event happened last night.
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Post by thatoneuser on Mar 15, 2016 23:43:10 GMT -5
The way I look at it: Isaac won, Isaac and Geoff are both champions.
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Post by thebobmaster on Mar 15, 2016 23:58:43 GMT -5
...That first hashtag pisses me off. I'm sorry, but if anything could top that trophy in terms of "slap in the face", that is it, and unlike the trophy, that hashtag was ALL Isaac.
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