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Post by thebobmaster on Mar 12, 2016 23:59:59 GMT -5
After reading that statement...my God. It's like if Yukio Iketani got total victory. I mean, Yamada was prideful, but he would never say "Welp, I beat it finally. Time to leave and brag about how awesome I am."
I know you won't read this, Caldiero, but let me break something down to you.
ANW5: Failed Jumping Spider because you couldn't lock in properly
ANW6: Failed Double Salmon Ladder
ANW7: Success! Unless you count the failing the Body Prop, but still.
Neil Armstrong made it to the moon his first time, and he didn't dismiss Buzz Aldrin's accomplishment.
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Post by OwlRTA on Mar 13, 2016 0:43:37 GMT -5
With these debacle going on, NBC is lucky that they have another champion (the one they need but don't deserve) that can be a good ambassador to their show. If Geoff didn't finish Stage 4 in time, they would be in very deep sh**.
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Post by ninjar on Mar 13, 2016 1:00:40 GMT -5
I wish I could take the million from Issac and give it to Geoff. Issac is a stuck up loser that everyone hates
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Post by OwlRTA on Mar 13, 2016 1:06:22 GMT -5
I wish I could take the million from Issac and give it to Geoff. Issac is a stuck up loser that everyone hates Hey, he may be an absolute jerk, and now everyone hates him (at least here), but he isn't a loser, and, though the rules were BS, he won the million fair and square. NBC is the one that f***ed up with the prize money. People shouldn't talk about taking the million from Issac, but we should talk about how much of an a** he is.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Mar 13, 2016 1:11:25 GMT -5
After reading this whole thread I feel sorry for anyone who likes this guy so much. I was never a big fan of his but I did respect that he won and that isn't changing. If he wants to leave ANW for a lil' break that's on him. I question how everyone is going to handle it once ANW8 gets underway.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 13, 2016 1:37:56 GMT -5
After reading this whole thread I feel sorry for anyone who likes this guy so much. I was never a big fan of his but I did respect that he won and that isn't changing. If he wants to leave ANW for a lil' break that's on him. I question how everyone is going to handle it once ANW8 gets underway. Heh to be fair NBC does a great job eliminating history that everyone knows as it is. They are pretty much professionals. LOL I'm sure they will find a way to rewrite history. Get ready for the "retirement" schtick to be played up. LOL No way are they going to get controversial. They will just play up the "hey he achieved the ultimate goal we wish him the best.. now.. for the new Ninjas! NEXT!".. lol Btw agreed with those calling to calm down on the "strip Isaac" bandwagon. As much as we don't like him (to varying degrees), I don't advocate stripping anyone of something they deserved. There are many ways to vent on that subject but that is not at all helpful. A whole lot easier to just close the door and make sure the Japan one doesn't open and move on. Denying someone the spotlight from someone who desperately wants it is a better way to vent.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Mar 13, 2016 1:48:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I think some of y'all are going a little far saying he should be stripped of his prize money--as far as I know, he DID earn it. Blame the prize money issue on ANW who did this unto themselves. With the way they were running the show as a self-celebratory circle-jerk, of course they were going to end up with a champion like this. For those who dislike the show, you can rest easy knowing that they'll never be able to erase Isaac from their history. It's a nail in the coffin NBC built when they decided to make it a competition of man vs. man. That had always been the case and though I would NEVER disrespect Geoff and Isaac's successes by attributing them to destiny, it seems hilariously ironic and just that things would unfold this way for a show with a reputation for shenanigans.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Mar 13, 2016 6:02:24 GMT -5
Tbh Isaac's making my personal ANW hate more pronounced- the last men standing aren't consistent: ANW 1- Levi- screwed up early every time afterwards ANW 2- Brent/David- okay mehhhhhhhhhhhhh ANW 3- David- yeah he was a shadow of himself after this ANW 4- Brent- haven't seen anything good from him since ANW 5- Brian Arnold- I swear he's done badly since? ANW 6- Joe Morovesky- meh, ran stage 4 times in 2 years (including vs world) and failed like the same place all 4 times ANW 7- Isaac- oh dear, we won't be seeing him anytime soon. There just isn't the A, consistency of the Sasuke stars, and more importantly, THERE ISN'T PROGRESSION. Bloody nobody has really improved over time in their results, there hasn't been anything near the sense of progression/ beating nemesis that Akiyama (hammers, eyesight), Nagano (pipe slider, that damned final stage), Yuuji (final stage in 22, 2 time victory), and Yuuske (competing since age 15, pipe slider). I disagree with this. The trend for Sasuke seems to be: 1-2 bad performances, followed by a sudden amazing performance, an increase from that, and then a slooooow decline. Levi was pretty consistent for the first three ANW's anyway, and we can't really judge him since he quit early on and doesn't care about ninja anymore.
Brent has never really done badly, just not made it back to stage 3, but to call him bad is an overstatement. Even Yuuji had a random Halfpipe Attack fail between total victories.
Brian Arnold has been consistently good. He hasn't cleared stage two since, but one of those was down to a cocky strategy, and the other was down to a new obstacle. He is still strong, and if you count USA VS The World 1, he cleared stage 3 there.
Joe has also been consistently good. I wouldn't call 3 consecutive stage 3 appearances bad. He was last man standing in 6, which fitted into the "improvement" part, and the only reason he failed in 7 was because he used the Sasuke Crazy Cliffhanger jump, which I commend him for.
As for Isaac, he perhaps fits the Sasuke mold best. A nobody, failed the Jumping Spider. Then a better performance, up to the Double Salmon Ladder, then a sudden amazing performance, then a decline.
Either way, Sasuke has had 31 tournaments, whilst ANW has had only for 4 "real" Las Vegas courses. You simply need to wait longer for these patterns to emerge. I mean, it took morimoto years to achieve total victory!
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Mar 13, 2016 6:10:10 GMT -5
As much as I hate the guy, I still think he should get a shot at Sasuke... hear me out...
Throughout the last 10 or so years, there has always been a tradition of Americans having to earn a spot on Sasuke. First winning American Ninja Challenge, then surviving the ANW bootcamp, then winning the ASEAN Open Cup etc... If even Inui is jumping onto the #HolyS***Kacy bandwagon, then we need to be fair here.
As much as I dislike his personally, both Isaac and Geoff did what many considered to be impossible. From a purely performance based standpoint, and taking history into account, in my opinion, Isaac has earned the right to take on Japan. I respect that it probably won't happen because of NBC, and that Geoff would be a better ambassador, but Isaac should at least get a shot.
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Post by rxninja on Mar 13, 2016 8:49:59 GMT -5
Hey guys I'm new to the forum, and I'm not trying to have my first post be argumentitive BUT.... Does anyone here know Isaac personally? Or at least have met him? I met him briefly once through a personal friend, who knows him pretty well. (Isaac trained at his massive backyard course before vegas last year if thats a hint as to who it is)
Here is my alternate view on the situation: Isaac is an incredible athlete and he is extremely humble about it. He LOVES climbing. And his passion is climbing NOT Ninja training like it is for the rest of us. His goal was to take down the course and represent on USA vs the World. He did both in one season. He obviously was selected as a captain on team ninja warrior but turned the opportunity down to travel and climb with his girlfriend, because thats what they love to do most. I take this as an athlete retiring after winning the world series or the superbowl.
Can we really all hate on Isaac because he won, and now he's using his prize money to do what he loves? Does he really have an obgligation to anyone to do anything he's not passionate about at this moment in time? I have a feeling he'll be back....
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Post by rxninja on Mar 13, 2016 8:52:02 GMT -5
Also I think he should get a shot at sauske because it would be a new challenge for him to achieve a first and may spark some interest to get him back in the ninja world. He easily has what it takes...
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Post by arsenette on Mar 13, 2016 8:59:33 GMT -5
For those defending Isaac without understanding that it has NOTHING to do with what he did in Vegas.. you need a reality check. How you represent your country matters. How you treat others matters. So if somehow winning on a gameshow is an excuse to be an absolute dick to your fellow competitors then I feel sorry for you. You all clearly are ignoring the fact that he pissed off NBC with his outrageous demands. He dissed his own friends for his own glory. He threw the first American Ninja Warrior under the bus so he can be the "best" when he was clearly the 2nd one to do the same feat. He does not belong in Sasuke. Luckily with Isaac being blacklisted by NBC the likelihood of him stepping foot in Japan because the USA slammed the door on his face due to HIS actions is really friggin' low. Defending him because you are enamored with his leet skills doesn't change the fact that he destroyed his own legacy. He is not owed a shot at Sasuke. He doesn't deserve anything else. He didn't "retire".. he was blacklisted and making it look like he left out of his own volition. Obviously there are plenty of people who are wiling to drink the KoolAid.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Mar 13, 2016 9:42:49 GMT -5
For those defending Isaac without understanding that it has NOTHING to do with what he did in Vegas.. you need a reality check. How you represent your country matters. How you treat others matters. So if somehow winning on a gameshow is an excuse to be an absolute dick to your fellow competitors then I feel sorry for you. You all clearly are ignoring the fact that he pissed off NBC with his outrageous demands. He dissed his own friends for his own glory. He threw the first American Ninja Warrior under the bus so he can be the "best" when he was clearly the 2nd one to do the same feat. He does not belong in Sasuke. Luckily with Isaac being blacklisted by NBC the likelihood of him stepping foot in Japan because the USA slammed the door on his face due to HIS actions is really friggin' low. Defending him because you are enamored with his leet skills doesn't change the fact that he destroyed his own legacy. He is not owed a shot at Sasuke. He doesn't deserve anything else. He didn't "retire".. he was blacklisted and making it look like he left out of his own volition. Obviously there are plenty of people who are wiling to drink the KoolAid. But most, if not all of this is wishful thinking. Hell, I posted his "statement" here and then followed it up with a rant to show I don't drink the kool aid. But do we have any proof, aside from a second hand comment, that Isaac has been blacklisted? I know your tendency to not share important details on the forums, but this is integral fo the discussion. Obviously there is more at play than just his statement, but do we have proof he is blacklisted? Think about it. Being paid for appearances is something ANW hotshots have wanted for years. Why would Isaac asking lead to him being insta-blacklisted? It doesn't add up. And lets be real here. NBC loves ratings above all else. They make hashtags, they build hype, they blow up hotshots on the show. They may have blacklisted him for one season, but trust me, eventually they won't be able to resist those sweet "returning champion" or "redemption story" ratings. Even if he isn't in season 8, you can't be sure they're gonna constantly reference him like Kacy and milk him anyway, like Inui did with Yamada and his team in 31 despite Yamada being banned. I'm sorry, but i'm still waiting for the whole story. I hate Isaac's personality. I hate what he did to Geoff. I hate that he will forever be known as the first grand champion, but assuming he is finished is just wishful thinking, and all signs and logic point to this being far from over. This jesus look alike may yet be ressurected.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 13, 2016 10:19:56 GMT -5
You won't get the whole story as none of you aren't privy to that. No one airs dirty laundry - much less a corporate entity like NBC. Geoff already said his peace when didn't need to. What you do is your own thing. I'm not here to convince you otherwise.
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Post by ninjapodcast on Mar 13, 2016 11:15:04 GMT -5
Kool-aid drinker reporting in. :-)
Obviously the controversy around the finale took something away from the amazing accomplishments of Isaac and Geoff. It should have been a celebration of victory for both of them, but it became tarnished by arguments over who was first and who deserved what.
Geoff, who had more reason to complain than anyone, has acted like a class act and fantastic representative of the sport.
Isaac became upset and did not do as well at maintaining composure and dignity.
Before you judge him for that, reread this thread and figure out who you are acting more like. (Individuals vary of course)
He has every right to quit. Or make up an excuse if he was fired. Whatever. Does it matter?
A new season is starting and the best will rise. I'm so excited to see it in person and will probably scream myself hoarse when Geoff completes it.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 13, 2016 12:05:16 GMT -5
It matters if he's blacklisted from ANW for poor sportsmanship to the point where NBC is wiping him from existence then tries to get on Sasuke. Sasuke is my main goal and the only reason why I care. He does not belong in Sasuke if he was fired from his previous job. THAT is why it matters. I could care less about Isaac as a person. I care about Sasuke and what he brings because he's trying to weasel around going behind people's backs to get on my show. Luckily the mechanism is in place to stop it. Again, this is so much more difficult with only 1/8th of the information being public. For the rest of us that know more it is a horrible situation.
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Post by ninjapodcast on Mar 13, 2016 12:18:23 GMT -5
It's easy to imagine him being a jerk to both NBC and Geoff. I'm sure it took several forms and unless he took a swing at somebody, I don't think the details are really that important.
It's done. He's gone. It's probably for the best.
It doesn't come across as a very serious goal to go to Sasuke. I think it was just a random thought, but it sounds like you don't need to worry about it happening anyway.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 13, 2016 12:20:24 GMT -5
It's easy to imagine him being a jerk to both NBC and Geoff. I'm sure it took several forms and unless he took a swing at somebody, I don't think the details are really that important. It's done. He's gone. It's probably for the best. It doesn't come across as a very serious goal to go to Sasuke. I think it was just a random thought, but it sounds like you don't need to worry about it happening anyway. That's the point.. it's not. He's actively trying to get to Japan. I'm trying to put out those fires.
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Post by BobbyG11 on Mar 13, 2016 13:18:58 GMT -5
I expect to see him try and come back by ANW 10. He'll be making amends when he fully realizes he only won about $650,000 after taxes and he's traveling the world, living it up. I don't see Sasuke happening. Heck, we don't even know if Drew is going back after the argument he had last year and if TBS is holding a grudge. I could understand if they did. I'm guessing they don't want any more controversy.
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Post by marsllama on Mar 13, 2016 13:38:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry, NBC are experts at pretending nothing ever happened.
Seriously, though, I liked Isaac. I've lost a lot of respect for him and it's kind of sad. Not because he's leaving the show, or because he didn't share his prize with Geoff (and was well within his rights not to to be fair), but because of the way he has conducted himself and behaved towards Geoff, Brian, Noah, Ian and who knows how many others. And besides, this guy makes Joe Moravsky sound like Mr Modest. A little dignity and respect for others wouldn't go amiss.
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