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Post by BobbyG11 on Mar 11, 2016 22:44:57 GMT -5
What Wolfpack podcast did they talk about Isaac? It was within the first 5 mins of the most recent one, with Sean McColl.
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Post by kid0h on Mar 12, 2016 0:14:19 GMT -5
You hear that most ninjas don't do it for the money, however what are the chances that the first person to achieve total victory literally did it for the money? Issac is extremely strong and someone to look up to in that aspect however I didn't think he would be as bad of an ambassador for the sport as he turned out ☹️
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Post by arsenette on Mar 12, 2016 1:46:13 GMT -5
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Mar 12, 2016 12:53:38 GMT -5
For all those interested, Isaac's exact "statement" was:
"I accomplished what I set out to do. I did what nobody else could do. I got the first ascent by winning and have chosen to sit the next round out to let the others have a crack at it, to focus my energy towards my true passion which is rock climbing. Like Neil Armstrong's historic mission to the moon, he didn't need to go back for a second round. I would have interest to go to Japan and dominate their mountain, and maybe in years to come I'll make a comeback".
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Post by dudesky1000 on Mar 12, 2016 13:23:11 GMT -5
Goodness, he's gone too far. It's both a shame and rather fitting that this guy will forever be known as the first champion of ANW. That's the kind of competitor that the show nurtured through their editing and casting decisions over the years. They got what they deserved: a sore winner and anti-hero.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 12, 2016 15:09:04 GMT -5
For all those interested, Isaac's exact "statement" was:
"I accomplished what I set out to do. I did what nobody else could do. I got the first ascent by winning and have chosen to sit the next round out to let the others have a crack at it, to focus my energy towards my true passion which is rock climbing. Like Neil Armstrong's historic mission to the moon, he didn't need to go back for a second round. I would have interest to go to Japan and dominate their mountain, and maybe in years to come I'll make a comeback". Now you can understand why I feel bad for the Wolfpack having to read that "statement".. I'm happy that they just said it, moved on and never went back to it again. Scary to think he was friends with them and when it no longer suited him he dumped them. With friends like that.. who needs enemies.
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Post by Philip on Mar 12, 2016 15:18:39 GMT -5
His Neil Armstrong statement pisses me off so much. It's clear he doesn't give a s*** about what the show stood for. What a f***ing dick he was to his friends. Like Arsenette said, it's sad that he was only friends with the Wolfpack just to further his unfortunate ascent to the top. Good riddance I say.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Mar 12, 2016 17:09:50 GMT -5
For all those interested, Isaac's exact "statement" was:
"I accomplished what I set out to do. I did what nobody else could do. I got the first ascent by winning and have chosen to sit the next round out to let the others have a crack at it, to focus my energy towards my true passion which is rock climbing. Like Neil Armstrong's historic mission to the moon, he didn't need to go back for a second round. I would have interest to go to Japan and dominate their mountain, and maybe in years to come I'll make a comeback". Now you can understand why I feel bad for the Wolfpack having to read that "statement".. I'm happy that they just said it, moved on and never went back to it again. Scary to think he was friends with them and when it no longer suited him he dumped them. With friends like that.. who needs enemies. Oh god. He's become a successful version of Yamada, except this time he doesn't need to give a crap about being unemployed because he lives frugally and has a million dollars. I liked him, but any respect I had is gone now. This BS has exposed his true colours, once and for all. F*** him, this rant has been a long time coming.
He was a nobody, a walk on I believe, who essentially used the Wolfpack's name to springboard himself onto the show. Noah, Brian, Meagan etc... are a tight knit group, and I feel sorry for everything they did for Isaac when in reality, he was nothing but a parasite. He has stepped on the sense of community that has ALWAYS been alive in both Sasuke and ANW. Even in ANW, competitors support each other, they train together, they bring the show and its lifestyle alive. Isaac evidently doesn't care about that, and is content with just screwing over whoever he wants to get to the top.
Look at the damn statement. The arrogance there is almost unbelievable. Like Neil Armstrong? You self righteous prick. Neil Armstrong gave something to all of mankind, and worked as a team to make the dreams of many come true. You don't see Neil Armstrong leaving Buzz Aldrin stranded on the moon, like he did with Geoff. Did what no-one else could do? Except for Geoff, who is twice a ninja you will ever be, who outperformed you at nearly every turn, got to the top before you did, and pressed one more buzzer overall that season. You wish you could be Geoff.
I take back what I said. Isaac is worse than Yamada. Worse. For all his flaws, Yamada never quit in victory or in defeat, and actually contributed to the show over the years in terms of ratings and saving it after tournament 8 along with Shingo. Isaac would clearly be content to watch the show burn, someone who showed up with one thing on his mind, and who just doesn't care now that he has his precious million, forsaking everything Ninja Competitions stand for in the process.
For someone who looks like Jesus, to the show, Isaac is much more like Judas.
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Post by gt4dom on Mar 12, 2016 18:22:25 GMT -5
What an idiot. There's a reason no one likes him, and I hope he never comes back. At least when Yamada threw his prams out the toy he did it in a respectful (ish) way, this just de-grades the course and ANW as a whole. The best thing to do is to Benoit the hell out of Isaac and move on and never let him back. He was clearly only in it for the money and it's not his true passion like so many other Ninja's, and anyone who has no passion for SASUKE/ANW doesn't deserve to represent the company as the champion. I hope Geoff wins in ANW8 or Drew and Geoff win and they split the money, because I feel someone else has to win now in order to get rid of the bad smell that is Isaac Caldiero. Yes you may be loaded now Isaac, but when that $1 million runs out and you grovel back to ANW, I hope they give you the rightful cold shoulder. Good riddens, and if you think that Inui will want someone like you on the show then you can think again, you don't even deserve to watch it let alone compete on the course. Imagine him winning and being like *haha I beat Nagano's time so he's not the true grand champion and I am haha*. The ANW community has really evolved and became really nice and cool lately, especially with the National Ninja League, so it's time to move on from this and start fresh from ANW8. Rant over Btw if you can't tell, I'm still really salty about ANW7's ending, and I still strongly dislike Isaac, he's the Roman Reigns of ANW compared to Geoff being the Dean Ambrose
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 19:14:18 GMT -5
I hope NBC hear about this and strip Isaac of his "hard-earned" million-dollar prize and give it all to Geoff. If they don't then I feel suspicious that they hired him just so that Geoff didn't get his prize.
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Post by thatoneuser on Mar 12, 2016 19:33:10 GMT -5
I hope NBC hear about this and strip Isaac of his "hard-earned" million-dollar prize and give it all to Geoff. If they don't then I feel suspicious that they hired him just so that Geoff didn't get his prize. Isaac already has his money, they can't "strip him" of it. Also, the conspiracy you proposed is completely ridiculous. What could NBC possibly have against Geoff that they had to screw him out of money?
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Post by arsenette on Mar 12, 2016 19:34:54 GMT -5
I hope NBC hear about this and strip Isaac of his "hard-earned" million-dollar prize and give it all to Geoff. If they don't then I feel suspicious that they hired him just so that Geoff didn't get his prize. While it's easy for us to say that truth be told he earned it. I don't have to like that part. However, they can make it up to Geoff by doing something for him (which I doubt they will given that it's been almost a year and they have yet to do reparations.. hell they haven't even labeled him ANW Champion yet in anything - that never happened in USA vs. World.. trust me I looked for it) So I'm against stripping anyone of that type of thing if they earned it. That said, what happens going forward is an entirely different conversation.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 12, 2016 19:36:37 GMT -5
Legally they can't strip him of the prize money, sadly he won it fair and square according to NBC's contracts... They can do a lot of things to him, they can erase him benoit style, they can ban him, but he didn't break any contracts so he can't be fined... I don't think with the behavior he's shown he should be let back but sadly they can't "take back the million"
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Mar 12, 2016 20:30:58 GMT -5
I haven't actually watched ANW 7. Nonetheless reading this thread, I wonder if people are showing disdain to Isaac for only the right reasons, or if it's something more personal. Yes he comes across as arrogant, which should be criticised, but some comments here are ridiculous. If I may cherrypick some comments: It sounds like you're criticising him because he competed for the cash prize. How's that a bad thing? It's a game show and different people may have different motivations. The best thing to do is to Benoit the hell out of Isaac and move on and never let him back. He was clearly only in it for the money and it's not his true passion like so many other Ninja's, and anyone who has no passion for SASUKE/ANW doesn't deserve to represent the company as the champion. This I disagree with. He won. He didn't break any rules and didn't cheat the system (right?). And like I said above, what's wrong with him competing for the money? It's a game show. Not everyone has to have passion for the game. The point of a game show is to win. I hope Geoff wins in ANW8 or Drew and Geoff win and they split the money, because I feel someone else has to win now in order to get rid of the bad smell that is Isaac Caldiero. Yes you may be loaded now Isaac, but when that $1 million runs out and you grovel back to ANW, I hope they give you the rightful cold shoulder. Good riddens, and if you think that Inui will want someone like you on the show then you can think again, you don't even deserve to watch it let alone compete on the course. If anything you should be hoping that the course becomes much harder. Btw if you can't tell, I'm still really salty about ANW7's ending, and I still strongly dislike Isaac, he's the Roman Reigns of ANW compared to Geoff being the Dean Ambrose From the sounds of it he's more like the Teddy Hart of ANW. Roman never disrespected any greats and there are those who actually like Roman (me included). I know you were saying it in a somewhat jokingly manner though. His Neil Armstrong statement pisses me off so much. It's clear he doesn't give a s*** about what the show stood for. I can see why it would annoy people, since it does come across as arrogance, but his point seemed to be that he doesn't need to try and conquer the course again since he's done it already, which is fair. If he's not motivated to do it again, why should he? And as far as what the show stands for, people are different. Maybe he's just not interested in the ANW "community". Goodness, he's gone too far. It's both a shame and rather fitting that this guy will forever be known as the first champion of ANW. That's the kind of competitor that the show nurtured through their editing and casting decisions over the years. They got what they deserved: a sore winner and anti-hero. I agree with this.
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Post by Geoffnotjeff on Mar 12, 2016 20:35:52 GMT -5
One day many years from now I'll write a post about the things said behind closed doors, convos had, lies told. It's an amazing story filled with stories that will make you shake your head.
For the record Isaac pretty much hates me. I'm quite sure he feels I ruined his moment - and he can't get past that. He told me inpissed off millions of people with my interview after stage 4.
And I'd love to tell him Neil Armstrong would have LOVED to go back to the moon. Ironically, NASA picked him to go first out onto the moon.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 12, 2016 21:39:03 GMT -5
I don't have as much experience with Isaac as some other ANW competitors, but let me say this.
I was there when he was a walk-on in Denver back in ANW5. Even back then he was kind of a dick. I competed with him in Kansas City in ANW7 and he was probably the most cockiest/arrogant ANW competitor I'd ever seen with my own two eyes. Though I will add the caveat that Noah Kauffman didn't come across much better either. Brian Arnold was a swell guy.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 12, 2016 21:45:59 GMT -5
Plot twist (actually not really a twist, that's just the joke): He didn't dress like this to get on TV, that's just the perception he really thinks of himself Also SMF rule of wrestling, insert Zandig joke here
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Post by supremekai on Mar 12, 2016 21:51:25 GMT -5
Tbh Isaac's making my personal ANW hate more pronounced- the last men standing aren't consistent:
ANW 1- Levi- screwed up early every time afterwards ANW 2- Brent/David- okay mehhhhhhhhhhhhh ANW 3- David- yeah he was a shadow of himself after this ANW 4- Brent- haven't seen anything good from him since ANW 5- Brian Arnold- I swear he's done badly since? ANW 6- Joe Morovesky- meh, ran stage 4 times in 2 years (including vs world) and failed like the same place all 4 times ANW 7- Isaac- oh dear, we won't be seeing him anytime soon.
There just isn't the A, consistency of the Sasuke stars, and more importantly, THERE ISN'T PROGRESSION. Bloody nobody has really improved over time in their results, there hasn't been anything near the sense of progression/ beating nemesis that Akiyama (hammers, eyesight), Nagano (pipe slider, that damned final stage), Yuuji (final stage in 22, 2 time victory), and Yuuske (competing since age 15, pipe slider).
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Post by arsenette on Mar 12, 2016 22:42:06 GMT -5
I haven't actually watched ANW 7. Nonetheless reading this thread, I wonder if people are showing disdain to Isaac for only the right reasons, or if it's something more personal. Yes he comes across as arrogant, which should be criticised, but some comments here are ridiculous. Sorry if this reaaaaaaaally bugs my biggest pet peeve.. you are criticizing people without doing the research first? Do you even KNOW why people are upset with him? Did you read the dozens and dozens of article that preceded this? (I should know.. I POSTED every single one of them). It just really irritates me when someone who hasn't done any research automatically wants to play devils advocate essentially backing him for all the stupid things he's done to this point. And this is the stuff that is public! The rest of us that know more about it are even more incensed especially now that he got NBC slamming the door on his face and NOW he wants to go to Japan? Over my dead body.
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Post by gt4dom on Mar 12, 2016 23:53:04 GMT -5
I haven't actually watched ANW 7. Nonetheless reading this thread, I wonder if people are showing disdain to Isaac for only the right reasons, or if it's something more personal. Yes he comes across as arrogant, which should be criticised, but some comments here are ridiculous. Sorry if this reaaaaaaaally bugs my biggest pet peeve.. you are criticizing people without doing the research first? Do you even KNOW why people are upset with him? Did you read the dozens and dozens of article that preceded this? (I should know.. I POSTED every single one of them). It just really irritates me when someone who hasn't done any research automatically wants to play devils advocate essentially backing him for all the stupid things he's done to this point. And this is the stuff that is public! The rest of us that know more about it are even more incensed especially now that he got NBC slamming the door on his face and NOW he wants to go to Japan? Over my dead body. Get onto Inui and make sure he doesn't go If every competitor was like him in Japan then there wouldn't be a show full stop. And anyway realistically can anyone see Isaac going to Japan? I mean the prize is only like $30,000 (I think) and he could maybe win a car, but why would he enter that when he thinks he can win another million at ANW Honestly I think that was just a poor attempt to try and make him seem less of a douche but realistically I don't see him flying all the way out to Japan when a prize is almost half the travel cost. And also because he won't win it (hopefully) x) Also I don't mind people debating my opinions, but if you're gonna stick to the SMF rule of wrestling at least use someone more modern than Teddy Hart
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