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Post by TCM on Jun 9, 2016 12:49:46 GMT -5
TCM you make some good points. And Geoff, nothing but respect for you, and I respect your opinion of Isaac. You have met him and interacted with him and I have not. Just think its dumb for someone who has never met him to very rudely dismiss the opinions of people who have met him when she never has. Its entirely possible he's not a children's movie villain and is a fully realized and complex human being who people are still allowed to say something nice about based on their own relationship with him. Being a complex human being does not disqualify someone from being a jerk. Never meeting someone before does not disqualify someone from hearing numerous accounts of said person being a jerk, including the person whose opinion matters most here and taking more stock in that than someone who never happened to catch him at his worst. It is possible to be nice to someone and a jerk to everyone else. I (and many others) have taken more stock in his current reputation despite never meeting him. There is astounding levels of mental gymnastics to try and paint him in anyway other than what he's done himself directly.
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Post by marsllama on Jun 9, 2016 13:39:37 GMT -5
You can say he's a nice and humble guy who just wants people to know he is the grand champ. Cool. Everyone knows that. He won, and congrats to him for that. He has tried to discredit the fact that I even finished stage 4. He told me I ruined his life and ruined his moment. I should have just fallen and let him has his moment because he deserved it. And that's like 1/100 of the s*** he has done. I though he was a nice guy. So did a lot of his long time friends. What's really sad is how it changed. We were cool way after the show filmed, hanging out in NY watching the finals, having dinner, drinks, having fun. The. Suddenly he started attacking me a month later - saying some really nasty things in private and public (he deleted most) even saying I was a poor sport and sub par performer, etc - I think he is changing his reality to match his current emotional state. I've seen it before, if you tell yourself enough lies you change change history in your mind and it becomes your reality. Sad. We should have been linked forever as the first to ever beat stage 5 in America and inspire and motivate others, instead there has been silly battles and such. I'm not perfect and s*** he said hurt and I did go back and forth with him a few times. Shouldn't have done that, it doesn't help. He really wanted rondo sasuke and sadly his attitude since winning directly led to him not being able to, something I'm not sure he knows. And that's that. Just a brilliant man Geoff, you really are. As with all athletes, Isaac's athletic achievements should be judged entirely separately from his personality, but with ANW that's not entirely possible. Personality is a key part of the show. Viewers love some of these competitors. Kids look up to them. It's sad the way this has gone, although I don't find it hard to believe that Isaac was and is capable of being a humble and nice guy as people on here have reported. We've seen similar things before with athletes of all types, including in Sasuke. Most can handle it well, the fame, the pressure. Some people change. What I mean to say is that maybe, even with the safety rope, Stage Four is dangerous in a very different way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 14:38:04 GMT -5
Very well said, it's very sad that Isaac did some stupid stuff like that to take the spotlight away from you.
You deserved better, I wish I had a million bucks to give you for your amazing accomplishment...
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Post by dragstar on Jun 14, 2016 5:32:31 GMT -5
Wonder what happened to him... did the money blinded him or something?
Yeah i thought he was a nice guy at first... just surprised to hear this from the guy geoff himself.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 14, 2016 5:44:10 GMT -5
Wonder what happened to him... did the money blinded him or something? Yeah i thought he was a nice guy at first... just surprised to hear this from the guy geoff himself. IMO strange things happen to people who come to sudden money/fame. Hell.. look what happened to Yamada.
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Post by narcissus1916 on Jun 15, 2016 0:50:21 GMT -5
Timing out on Stage 2 with Brent? Has there ever been actual proof of this or just folks assuming something wonky with the time clock?
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Post by dlee on Jun 15, 2016 1:23:41 GMT -5
This forum is like groundhog day
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Post by marsllama on Jun 15, 2016 2:08:20 GMT -5
Timing out on Stage 2 with Brent? Has there ever been actual proof of this or just folks assuming something wonky with the time clock? I've actually never heard about this before but since nobody has challenged it I'm inclined to think it's true. Back on topic, that is seriously an 'all or nothing' competition POM have going on there. I always wondered how much a 'Year's supply' actually is, but that's another story.
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Post by TCM on Jun 15, 2016 3:26:47 GMT -5
We don't need to bring open that can of worms again. The long and short of it is, NBC may have edited the broadcast to make it seem like Brent cleared Stage 2 in ANW4 because they built Stage 2 so shoddily everyone but him failed it. Multiple people in the audience claimed that Brent timed out (but some also claim the clock the audience had access to was faulty). Given NBC's other transgressions, this is outside of the realm of possibility and even I have changed opinion on it. But I'm half thinking of closing this thread because we're spinning wheels at this point.
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Post by kangaroo on Jun 28, 2016 10:02:39 GMT -5
Wonder what happened to him... did the money blinded him or something? Yeah i thought he was a nice guy at first... just surprised to hear this from the guy geoff himself. I always thought he came off as a little aloof. I knew he was super talented an always tought he would clear stage three and could make parts of it look easy like he did. I will say I enjoyed watching the runs onstage three; it just sad the guy went off the deep end but I am not as shocked for some reason. Oh while we still have the First American Ninja Warrior and he is still cool.
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Post by Achiereot on Jun 30, 2016 10:13:22 GMT -5
I hope he will be back in action in Sasuke 33.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 30, 2016 10:23:00 GMT -5
I hope he will be back in action in Sasuke 33. Not before he patches things up with NBC first.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 15:06:33 GMT -5
I hope he will be back in action in Sasuke 33. Not before he patches things up with NBC first. Which IMO will probably not happen...he has to patch things up with Geoff, the Wolfpack and all his fans too
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Post by a115331n6343 on Sept 15, 2016 4:54:19 GMT -5
Way late on this, but just reading the comments from Geoff, is it possible that Isaac's sudden change months after the event had something to do with the internet backlash he was receiving on Youtube, Instagram, and elsewhere? I remember immediately after he won reading so many comments from viewers who saw Isaac in a negative light because A. he was younger than Geoff and had no family and less responsibilities, more training, etc. B. it wasn't fair that Geoff would get no money and some of the blame fell on him for some reason C. Isaac made Geoff go first, seemingly minutes after Geoff barely finished Stage 3 (I'm aware there was actually more time, but some people don't realize the power of TV editing). I've heard in this thread that he did not like what Geoff said about being the "first" American ninja warrior, could it be that he feels this comment is what made so many people hate him for something he had no control over (the rules set forth by NBC)? Just brainstorming here. Based on the first hand information some people have shared, it seems probable this had something to do with his sudden shift in feelings towards Geoff. Obviously this is a real character flaw but it might have a little more to do with his name, previously fairly unknown, being lambasted and ridiculed by thousands of people when he was "supposed" to feel like a hero. Maybe a bit of an exaggeration but some people, as someone else said in the thread, don't handle fame well, and a lot of that is all the harsh judgments and exaggerated public opinion that comes with it (even if there is also a lot of positive, sometimes its the negative that jumps out at you the most). I think it's likely that, combined with his extreme pride in being what he believes to be the first American Ninja Warrior, led him to such a large falling out. If this was so important to him, and he knew ahead of time how controversial it would be, would he choose to climb the rope first his second time around? I'm thinking he would.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 15, 2016 14:18:17 GMT -5
Way late on this, but just reading the comments from Geoff, is it possible that Isaac's sudden change months after the event had something to do with the internet backlash he was receiving on Youtube, Instagram, and elsewhere? I remember immediately after he won reading so many comments from viewers who saw Isaac in a negative light because A. he was younger than Geoff and had no family and less responsibilities, more training, etc. B. it wasn't fair that Geoff would get no money and some of the blame fell on him for some reason C. Isaac made Geoff go first, seemingly minutes after Geoff barely finished Stage 3 (I'm aware there was actually more time, but some people don't realize the power of TV editing). I've heard in this thread that he did not like what Geoff said about being the "first" American ninja warrior, could it be that he feels this comment is what made so many people hate him for something he had no control over (the rules set forth by NBC)? Just brainstorming here. Based on the first hand information some people have shared, it seems probable this had something to do with his sudden shift in feelings towards Geoff. Obviously this is a real character flaw but it might have a little more to do with his name, previously fairly unknown, being lambasted and ridiculed by thousands of people when he was "supposed" to feel like a hero. Maybe a bit of an exaggeration but some people, as someone else said in the thread, don't handle fame well, and a lot of that is all the harsh judgments and exaggerated public opinion that comes with it (even if there is also a lot of positive, sometimes its the negative that jumps out at you the most). I think it's likely that, combined with his extreme pride in being what he believes to be the first American Ninja Warrior, led him to such a large falling out. If this was so important to him, and he knew ahead of time how controversial it would be, would he choose to climb the rope first his second time around? I'm thinking he would. He is an adult. Regardless of the reasons he decided to do what he did (and it was far more than a couple of words) he shouldn't have done what he did (and continues to do). This has been going on for months and that is what his true nature is apparently. Everyone has moved on. Geoff, the entire wolfpack and judging by how his name was even treated.. NBC. He's burned just about every bridge he crossed. Yes, sudden fame does stupid things, but every action has a consequence. This is the result. It is not like he has asked for forgiveness either. Sudden fame is not an excuse. Ever.
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 29, 2016 14:22:35 GMT -5
Way late on this, but just reading the comments from Geoff, is it possible that Isaac's sudden change months after the event had something to do with the internet backlash he was receiving on Youtube, Instagram, and elsewhere? I remember immediately after he won reading so many comments from viewers who saw Isaac in a negative light because A. he was younger than Geoff and had no family and less responsibilities, more training, etc. B. it wasn't fair that Geoff would get no money and some of the blame fell on him for some reason C. Isaac made Geoff go first, seemingly minutes after Geoff barely finished Stage 3 (I'm aware there was actually more time, but some people don't realize the power of TV editing). I've heard in this thread that he did not like what Geoff said about being the "first" American ninja warrior, could it be that he feels this comment is what made so many people hate him for something he had no control over (the rules set forth by NBC)? Just brainstorming here. Based on the first hand information some people have shared, it seems probable this had something to do with his sudden shift in feelings towards Geoff. Obviously this is a real character flaw but it might have a little more to do with his name, previously fairly unknown, being lambasted and ridiculed by thousands of people when he was "supposed" to feel like a hero. Maybe a bit of an exaggeration but some people, as someone else said in the thread, don't handle fame well, and a lot of that is all the harsh judgments and exaggerated public opinion that comes with it (even if there is also a lot of positive, sometimes its the negative that jumps out at you the most). I think it's likely that, combined with his extreme pride in being what he believes to be the first American Ninja Warrior, led him to such a large falling out. If this was so important to him, and he knew ahead of time how controversial it would be, would he choose to climb the rope first his second time around? I'm thinking he would. He is an adult. Regardless of the reasons he decided to do what he did (and it was far more than a couple of words) he shouldn't have done what he did (and continues to do). This has been going on for months and that is what his true nature is apparently. Everyone has moved on. Geoff, the entire wolfpack and judging by how his name was even treated.. NBC. He's burned just about every bridge he crossed. Yes, sudden fame does stupid things, but every action has a consequence. This is the result. It is not like he has asked for forgiveness either. Sudden fame is not an excuse. Ever. Yep he made his bed with his action and now he has to lie in it. It's sad really but what can you do but move on.
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