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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 3:28:50 GMT -5
Isn't the top prize 800 MILLION dongs???
That's a lot of dongs for one person!
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Post by SasukeForever on May 8, 2016 18:25:17 GMT -5
While all opinions are respected here, you are most definitely in the minority on that one. This has been an issue for quite a few months now here...in ANY other version of Sasuke/NW around the world, anyone who completes the final stage is the winner, and that's how it is. There has been quite a bit of fan backlash because A) Geoff didn't get payed anything and B) Isaac has been a complete a*****e to everyone the past 5-6 months, but that's in the Isaac Caldiero thread. Moral of the story - they don't want another Isaac vs Geoff scenario. Hell this format is WHAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. There's never been more than 1 winner at once at any other occasion in any of the 31 Sasuke competitions so your argument is moot. Clearly you wouldn't have been expecting multiple completions at once after more than 30 competitions of that not occuring. What the original point of the competition was who would be the first ANW, not who will be the first ANW's. Having a second prize was never any part of the rules and should never even have been changed. All sports and competitions have only 1 winner. There's no sport or competition with multiple winners. Wrong. Kunoichi 8 had TWO winners, almost 3 if there wasn't a DQ. It's always been said that anyone who beats all 4 stages in Japan achieves Kanzenseiha, and nothing else. There has NEVER been a "I better beat ___ up the tower so I win" bulls**t.
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Post by TCM on May 8, 2016 18:37:30 GMT -5
The prize being "fastest completion if multiple people beat Stage 4" has been discussed since the very first ANW. Back then, there was also the discussion as to whether if there was an ANW winner when the endgame was Japan that they would receive both the Japanese and American prizes.
Also, Sasuke/Kunoichi is an offshoot from Banzuke of which multiple winners in the same game in the same episode not only was completely possible, but happened. G4 aired some of those.
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Post by penguincatfish on May 8, 2016 18:42:15 GMT -5
While all opinions are respected here, you are most definitely in the minority on that one. This has been an issue for quite a few months now here...in ANY other version of Sasuke/NW around the world, anyone who completes the final stage is the winner, and that's how it is. There has been quite a bit of fan backlash because A) Geoff didn't get payed anything and B) Isaac has been a complete a*****e to everyone the past 5-6 months, but that's in the Isaac Caldiero thread. Moral of the story - they don't want another Isaac vs Geoff scenario. Hell this format is WHAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. There's never been more than 1 winner at once at any other occasion in any of the 31 Sasuke competitions so your argument is moot. Clearly you wouldn't have been expecting multiple completions at once after more than 30 competitions of that not occuring. What the original point of the competition was who would be the first ANW, not who will be the first ANW's. Having a second prize was never any part of the rules and should never even have been changed. All sports and competitions have only 1 winner. There's no sport or competition with multiple winners. There hasn't been more than one winner at any Sasuke, but if there was, they would each get a prize. Fixing the ANW rule brings it in line with the goal of conquering the course, and to not receive nothing for making history. But since you bring up other sports/competitions, they don't have multiple winners because they're typically formatted to have a guaranteed winner at the end, whereas Sasuke could end at Stage 2. Also in those other sports/competitions, there's usually a prize for second place, at least. The NFL, for example, pays players a bonus just for participating in the playoffs. In a more individual sport like Golf, even the bottom 25 players in the top 150 for the FedExCup receive $32,000 each. Fun fact - At the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics, two women tied for the gold medal in downhill alpine skiing. They each received a gold medal.
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Post by Achiereot on May 13, 2016 21:36:38 GMT -5
There's never been more than 1 winner at once at any other occasion in any of the 31 Sasuke competitions so your argument is moot. Clearly you wouldn't have been expecting multiple completions at once after more than 30 competitions of that not occuring. What the original point of the competition was who would be the first ANW, not who will be the first ANW's. Having a second prize was never any part of the rules and should never even have been changed. All sports and competitions have only 1 winner. There's no sport or competition with multiple winners. Wrong. Kunoichi 8 had TWO winners, almost 3 if there wasn't a DQ. It's always been said that anyone who beats all 4 stages in Japan achieves Kanzenseiha, and nothing else. There has NEVER been a "I better beat ___ up the tower so I win" bulls**t. Haters gonna hate. It's always been an all or nothing game. By winning the competition, you become the first ANW and the first ANW champion. You either win or you lose. How it works in Japan is not the same game as USA. They are run by different companies, the Japanese version only grants the exclusive rights for it's distribution and use in other countries, but how they want to set up their rules is completely up to themselves, the Japanese have got nothing with that. The person who loses has never received anything, never in any other seasons.
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Post by penguincatfish on May 13, 2016 22:42:50 GMT -5
[..] how they want to set up their rules is completely up to themselves, the Japanese have got nothing with that. ...so NBC improving the final stage prize money rules for this season is also up to NBC. The person who loses has never received anything, never in any other seasons. And now the "loser" / any other person to conquer the entire course and make history will get a prize for it... because like you said... "how they want to set up their rules is completely up to themselves".
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Post by Achiereot on May 13, 2016 23:07:19 GMT -5
[..] how they want to set up their rules is completely up to themselves, the Japanese have got nothing with that. ...so NBC improving the final stage prize money rules for this season is also up to NBC. The person who loses has never received anything, never in any other seasons. And now the "loser" / any other person to conquer the entire course and make history will get a prize for it... because like you said... "how they want to set up their rules is completely up to themselves". But then you would have to split the prize, I would rather compete for the full prize than splitting it, NBC can't afford to pay all the ones who complete. I feel like it's the haters who have ruined the system and it's a pity NBC have listened to them, they never should have because rules are rules, you either win or you lose. It's always been about who completes the farthest the fastest, I don't care how it is in other countries. Some people will argue that because you had to go first, then you are the first ANW, but that is nonsense in reality, if a sport team qualifies for a world championship would that automatically make them world champions? No because you still need to beat the other team.
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Post by TCM on May 13, 2016 23:47:51 GMT -5
They changed the rule because it wasn't thought to be expected that ANW would have two people in one season to complete Stage 4 in the first place. Once the inevitable controversy happened based on that, they made it so that no one gets shafted like Geoff did (especially since he technically did better overall). Trying to conflate other sports is a poor comparison because every other competitive sport guarantees a winner. ANW has little to compare it to outside of spinoffs and sister/parent shows.
'Haters' -- There's never been a season ANW hasn't needed to improve on something. Based off that logic, the show should still be choosing people based off crappy beach exercises.
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Post by penguincatfish on May 14, 2016 22:47:55 GMT -5
Ignoring what I said earlier other sports having a guaranteed winner and that if a sports team qualifies for a world championship, they'll generally receive a bonus for losing, and this goes with my other examples like the NFL paying bonuses just for participating in playoffs, or places 126-150 in FedExCup golf getting $32,000, or the two women who tied for the gold medal at the Winter Olympics.
NBC certainly does have the money to pay all the winners, by splitting the prize. What's wrong with splitting the prize in an event that has no guaranteed winner if multiple people ended up doing the same thing in one season? If 5 people beat the same course in the same season, how is any one of them more deserving of the entire prize than the other 4? Instead of winning and getting nothing for it, why not split the prize and give the fastest one a bonus.
First you say that they shouldn't change the rules because rules are rules, then you say that how they want to set up their rules is up to them, then you go back to saying they shouldn't change rules because people. You say NBC shouldn't change rules, then you bring up other sports... but other sports change rules all the time.
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