FallRisk911
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Post by FallRisk911 on Jul 15, 2016 1:23:28 GMT -5
Oh, and here's the best YouTube link I could find, if the VTV site is lagging for you (it was for me)
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arsenette
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Post by arsenette on Jul 15, 2016 1:59:33 GMT -5
Okay the singing was sooooooooo not expected! LOL ♥
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Post by vaughngk on Jul 16, 2016 19:04:21 GMT -5
Why did David get disqualified in stage 2?
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Post by BobbyG11 on Jul 16, 2016 19:53:47 GMT -5
Why did David get disqualified in stage 2? He didn't hit the last blade on the bridge of blades. At first I thought he stepped in the center at the start but I'm pretty positive he missed the last step.
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Post by Al Bundy on Jul 18, 2016 17:36:48 GMT -5
Why did David get disqualified in stage 2? He didn't hit the last blade on the bridge of blades. At first I thought he stepped in the center at the start but I'm pretty positive he missed the last step. I just came here to ask the same thing. So you're actually required to touch all four steps? It's not up to you how you get through the obstacle?
Also, at the end of stage two, the result was first shown as 2-2-1, then 2-2-0. Did they take away a point from Japan, and if yes, why? Thanks.
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Post by BobbyG11 on Jul 18, 2016 19:45:36 GMT -5
He didn't hit the last blade on the bridge of blades. At first I thought he stepped in the center at the start but I'm pretty positive he missed the last step. I just came here to ask the same thing. So you're actually required to touch all four steps? It's not up to you how you get through the obstacle?
Also, at the end of stage two, the result was first shown as 2-2-1, then 2-2-0. Did they take away a point from Japan, and if yes, why? Thanks.
The tournament dictates the rules. ANW allows a lot more improvisation/short cuts than other shows. In individual runs during Vietnam, they one-sided the steps on stage 1. In the tournament, everyone had to touch every step at the start. No clue on the scoring though, I started skipping around lol
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zocom7
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Post by zocom7 on Jul 21, 2016 16:35:10 GMT -5
Latest episode of Sasuke Vietnam is up (it's the tenth episode of Season 2):
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Post by sasukestatistician on Jul 22, 2016 4:04:31 GMT -5
Here's an explanation of the scoring: Stages 1-3 each have 5 heats and Stage 4 has only 1 heat. In order to win a heat, a competitor needs to clear the stage in a faster time than the other two in their heat. Time limits in the regular tournament still apply. If no one in a heat clears the stage, no team wins that heat. As in Season 1 and USA vs. Japan, points are awarded at the end of each stage to the team who won the most heats in that stage. If multiple teams are tied with the most heat wins at the end of a stage, they all receive the points for that stage. Stage 1 is worth 1 point, Stage 2 is worth 2 points, Stage 3 is worth 3 points, and Stage 4 is worth 4 points. I like that competitors have to clear a stage in order to win their heat as it gives less of an advantage to the person who goes last. For example in Isaac's heat in USA vs. the World last year whoever went last knew they could go all out and clear the third obstacle, the Silk Slider, faster than the other two or take their time and be sure to clear the fourth obstacle, the Jumping Spider. This makes the competitors focus more on clearing the stage rather than beating their opponents. I also like that every team member attempts every stage minus the last. What I like better about USA vs. the World is that points are awarded for each heat which potentially could make Stage 1 more valuable if a team sweeps it. I also don't like the Final Stage being worth so much compared to the other stages seeing that it is only a single heat. The most a team can have at the end of Stage 3 is 6 points so by making the Final Stage 4 points, it allows a team who only scored in either Stage 2 or Stage 3 to tie or win with just a single run. This could allow an individual to carry a team similar to what we've seen in Team Ninja Warrior. For example Team A could win the first 6 heats giving them a score of 3 points. In Stage 3 Team A and B could each have 1 clear in separate heats and Team C could have 0 clears making the score 6-3-0. If the person who cleared Stage 3 on team B wins Stage 4, Team B would win with a score of 7-6-0 although they only had a single person win 2 heats while Team A won 7 heats with every member securing points. I do like the Final Stage not just being a tie breaker as ties don't happen often with three teams. If points were awarded per heat with no possibility of ties, at most 30 points would be given out so a single heat Stage 4 worth 4 points would be needed more often while still acting as a "semi-tie-breaker" only being used when the match is close after Stage 3. Here are the scores and hypothetical scores under different rules: {Spoiler}Note that all scores below are in the format [Team Vietnam]-[Team International]-[Team Japan]. Actual scores with Vietnam scoring:
| Stage 1 | Stage 2 | Stage 3 | Final Stage | Heats Won This Stage | 3-1-1 | 2-2-1 | 1-1-1 | 1-0-0 | Points Earned This Stage | 1-0-0 | 2-2-0 | 3-3-3 | 4-0-0 | Total Score After This Stage | 1-0-0 | 3-2-0 | 6-5-3 | 10-5-3 |
Scores with USA vs. the World scoring:
| Stage 1 | Stage 2 | Stage 3 | Final Stage | Heats Won This Stage | 3-1-1 | 2-2-1 | 2-0-1* | N/A | Points Earned This Stage | 3-1-1 | 4-4-2 | 6-0-3* | N/A | Total Score After This Stage | 3-1-1 | 7-5-3 | 13-5-6* | N/A |
*Team Vietnam would have secured the victory after the third heat. If they continued, Team International would have secured second place after the fifth heat with a final score of 13-11-6. If the Final Stage was worth 4 points, the final score would be 17-11-6 with the tournament undecided going into Stage 4. Scores with USA vs. the World rules with points being given for each stage allowing ties:
| Stage 1 | Stage 2 | Stage 3 | Final Stage | Heats Won This Stage | 3-1-1 | 2-2-1 | 2-2-1 | 1-0-0 | Points Earned This Stage | 1-0-0 | 2-2-0 | 3-3-0 | 4-0-0 | Total Score After This Stage | 1-0-0 | 3-2-0 | 6-5-0 | 10-5-0 |
Scores with USA vs. the World rules with points being given for each stage breaking ties*:
| Stage 1 | Stage 2 | Stage 3 | Final Stage | Heats Won This Stage | 3-1-1 | 2-2-1 | 2-2-1 | 1-0-0 | Points Earned This Stage | 1-0-0 | 2-0-0 | 0-3-0 | 4-0-0 | Total Score After This Stage | 1-0-0 | 3-0-0 | 3-3-0 | 7-3-0 |
*Ties are broken based on which team received the most second place heat finishes. If USA vs. Japan rules applied, Stage 4 would just be a tie-breaker making the final score 4-3-0 leaving Japan unable to win. Scores with Vietnam rules with points being given for each heat:
| Stage 1 | Stage 2 | Stage 3 | Final Stage | Heats Won This Stage | 3-1-1 | 2-2-1 | 1-1-1 | 1-0-0 | Points Earned This Stage | 3-1-1 | 4-4-2 | 3-3-3 | 4-0-0 | Total Score After This Stage | 3-1-1 | 7-5-3 | 10-8-6 | 14-8-6 |
So in all of these scenarios Vietnam wins, but by how much varies. An interesting question to answer would be whether any of these different scoring systems would have affected the outcome of previous international team competitions.
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Post by Al Bundy on Jul 26, 2016 17:14:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation
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Eclipse
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Post by Eclipse on Aug 25, 2016 21:36:51 GMT -5
According to the shows Vietnamese wikipedia page, Stage 2 will take 9 episodes with Stage 3 beginning September 29th
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Post by sasukestatistician on Aug 27, 2016 17:46:38 GMT -5
According to the shows Vietnamese wikipedia page, Stage 2 will take 9 episodes with Stage 3 beginning September 29th September 29th is listed as the last episode of the season. There are just 25 people left to run Stage 2 so they should finish on the 8th leaving 3 weeks for Stage 3/4. They are going to need all that time with the number of Stage 2 clears.
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Post by sasukestatistician on Sept 29, 2016 18:10:05 GMT -5
The finale aired this morning. {Results}Out of the 38 who made it to Stage 3, 12 finished. There were three total victories: David Campbell, 38, with 0.73 seconds left Nguyễn Phước Huynh, 34, with 0.64 seconds left Lê Văn Thực, 25, with 6.44 seconds left
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DonalM
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Post by DonalM on Sept 29, 2016 19:51:29 GMT -5
The finale aired this morning. {Results}Out of the 38 who made it to Stage 3, 12 finished. There were three total victories: David Campbell, 38, with 0.73 seconds left Nguyễn Phước Huynh, 34, with 0.64 seconds left Lê Văn Thực, 25, with 6.44 seconds left DONT CALL IT A COMEBACK! but damn the Thuc guy
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Post by sasukestatistician on Sept 29, 2016 23:29:44 GMT -5
{Spoiler}DONT CALL IT A COMEBACK! but damn the Thuc guy {Spoiler}He flew up that tower. Hopefully his performance earned him a spot in Japan next year. I'd like to see what he can do on a more modern course.
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Eclipse
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Post by Eclipse on Sept 30, 2016 1:35:17 GMT -5
{Spoiler}DONT CALL IT A COMEBACK! but damn the Thuc guy {Spoiler}He flew up that tower. Hopefully his performance earned him a spot in Japan next year. I'd like to see what he can do on a more modern course. {Spoiler}On Thuc's Facebook he has been posting tons of stuff #Sasuke2017, and he has shown himself completing a home version of the 2 jump Crazy Cliffhanger, and Vertical Limit, so I think he'd be a viable competitor and I also hope he goes over
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zocom7
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Post by zocom7 on Sept 30, 2016 18:19:55 GMT -5
Wait a minute, there.... I thought David Campbell the "godfather" was disqualified in Stage 2. How come the producers let him pass and move on?
As for 12 made it to Stage 4, that's a new Sasuke record.
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Eclipse
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Post by Eclipse on Sept 30, 2016 20:48:12 GMT -5
Wait a minute, there.... I thought David Campbell the "godfather" was disqualified in Stage 2. How come the producers let him pass and move on?
As for 12 made it to Stage 4, that's a new Sasuke record. David Campbell was disqualified on stage two during the International competition, which does not count towards the official tourney. His run in regular tournament he corrected his mistake and cleared regularly.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Sept 30, 2016 21:06:42 GMT -5
Wait a minute, there.... I thought David Campbell the "godfather" was disqualified in Stage 2. How come the producers let him pass and move on?
As for 12 made it to Stage 4, that's a new Sasuke record. David Campbell was disqualified on stage two during the International competition, which does not count towards the official tourney. His run in regular tournament he corrected his mistake and cleared regularly. How and what was he disqualified on?
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Eclipse
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Post by Eclipse on Sept 30, 2016 21:56:36 GMT -5
David Campbell was disqualified on stage two during the International competition, which does not count towards the official tourney. His run in regular tournament he corrected his mistake and cleared regularly. How and what was he disqualified on? Cross Bridge had a rule that you must step on all 4 blades, he skipped the last one.
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Post by MiguelAbuel on Oct 1, 2016 1:31:56 GMT -5
Those 3 count as official Kanzenseiha right. If yes should they be added to the Kanzenseiha at Sasukepedia.
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