Just saw this thread.. never thought I'd be called out for saying the course was ridiculous as in hard and that both should be commended for the marathon that is ANW. Geez.. when someone is filled with hate it blinds them to everything else. Amazing. And thanks Bada.
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universalninja's argument, dissected"1) "Ridiculous Course": This one is for you personally Arsenette." Personal attacks. Those always work out so well.
"I know my warning level may go up for personal attacks, but this needs to be said." If it needed to be said, then it wouldn't be a violation of your warning level.
"How can you call the ANW course ridiculous with a straight face? How? Keeping in mind MOST obstacles are taken directly from Sasuke, the new stuff they introduce isn't bad either." I don't know where this comes from and I don't feel like looking it up, but I imagine you're leaving quite a bit out here.
"Propeller Bar, decent. Sonic Curve, decent. Roulette Row, decent. Psycho Chainsaw, decent. Area 51, decent." I thought Area 51 was kind of dumb but that's being way too nit-picky. This is fair.
"In a way, Sasuke's course recently has been MUCH MORE RIDICULOUS with crap like Backstream, Swap Salmon Ladder, Crazy Cliffhanger and Cross Slider..." Aside from the idea of adding swimming, you've listed three completely legitimate and fair obstacles.
"The hypocrisy is so clear it almost makes me cringe." Hypocrisy is defined by Merriam-Webster as "the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do; behavior that does not agree with what someone claims to believe or feel". So by Arsenette claiming to prefer SASUKE to ANW and then saying that she prefers SASUKE's course to ANW, she's being completely reasonable.
"2) "Never be beaten": Great. Juuuust great. People were claiming for the past four years that NBC were making a course that could never be beaten. THAT was their "valid" reason for hating the show." You clearly haven't been here for the last four years, then. There are many reasons that people hate ANW and "they don't want anyone to beat the course" is not one of them. Bear in mind that SASUKE told its viewers upfront that
they wanted all 100 people to fail the First Stage.
"Well now it has been beaten, on the hardest version yet," If by "hardest" you mean record clears in all four stages (including a world record in the First Stage), then yes, that was the hardest version yet. I think a linguist would disagree with you, though.
"and their golden goose argument has been proven BS. Anyone claiming the course is too hard compared to Sasuke is talking out of their a**." Bear in mind that the Japanese are on average significantly smaller than Americans and the up-scaled obstacles have screwed the Japanese contingent that comes to the USA every year. So yes, ANW is harder than SASUKE, but it has to be.
"3) "Fastest climb rule": Why people are getting so antsy about this NOW is beyond me." We've been upset at this for the last seven years. I just ignored it because I figured it would never come to this.
"The rule has been communicated always and didn't come out of nowhere as some are claiming." Who are these "some people"? It's been well established that it's been in the contract.
"Yes it was unfair on Geoff, but Isaac earnt the prize money simple as that. They both knew it was a race. Besides, nothing like this has ever happened in Sasuke, so we wouldn't know HOW TBS would react..." The TBS rules state that anyone who beats the course wins the prize.
"4) "Run Pacing": ANW's runs are sooooo boring. Right guys?" When someone has taken over a minute by the third obstacle, their pacing is significantly slower than SASUKE's.
"It's almost like they actually keep the momentum and excitement going between obstacles, rather than showing forty second rest breaks between obstacles, almost completely silently, like they do in Sasuke." If you take a forty second rest in the First or Second Stages in SASUKE, you'll run out of time by the third obstacle. I assume you're talking about the Third Stage, which ANW did the exact same thing besides piping in crowd noise.
"nd the fluff pieces... OH MY GOD! Darvish taking up a good chunk of the broadcast doesn't matter." Kenji Darvish was a celebrity whose rating impact probably saved SASUKE. If Taylor Swift showed up on ANW you better believe she can take as much time as she damn well pleases. Random dentist from Iowa can't draw a dime. (Law of SMF upheld)
"Skipping competitors like Kenji doesn't matter." No, we were pretty upset about this too.
"Giving every major competitor a two minute long fluff piece doesn't matter." That's the problem. They don't show the "major competitors". Instead these fluff pieces go to people we don't care about that failed the second obstacle and are never mentioned ever again.
"But LORD FORBID NBC DOES IT! Somehow people treat the exact same sins as magically worse when NBC commits them..." If two people won SASUKE and TBS only awarded the prize to one person, there would be way more hell to pay than this.
"Give me a break. Sasuke isn't in the US any more. Yawn, old news from 2011." You could've skipped your entire argument. This is why people hate ANW.
"Maybe it is time for some to grow up and get over their bitterness and just be happy Sasuke is still alive AT ALL." It's on its deathbed. We may never get SASUKE again.
"You're all acting like spoilt kids, angry because your precious show isn't on the same level it used to be. And just like a spoilt kid, you take out all your anger and frustration on something else..." Name calling. What a great way to wrap up your argument.
