New Obstacle Discussion -SPOILERS-

[davidcampbell]

Mar 31, 2009 3:16:08 GMT -5 joemello said:

I'm surprised there's been such little talk about the Slider Jump, since it could very well be The Great Equalizer for Stage 1 for quite some time. It's a great addition to the course and will prevent Stage 1 from becoming stale. However, the course looked fast for a 2 minute time limit, even with the Circle Hammer. You can probably lower the course time to 110 next tourney and not have adverse effects.

I have to assume that the angle of descent on the Gliding Ring changed from the fall. Apparently, the course designers aren't physicists.

Speaking of physics, that's probably why the Final Stage looked as easy as it was. It's probably safe to assume that the G-Rope means there's some bungee/shock cord built in. However, Urushihara was so scrawny that the extra pull from either of the rope obstacles was negligible. This will not happen with Nagano. That being said, there needs to be either a drop of 5 second off the clock, or raise the height to 25 meters.

Stage 2 needs something new. Anything. Either that or drop the time back down to 65 like it was in 17.

Mostly just want to respond to the time limit of stage 1.
All 5 competitors who cleared stage 1 had less than 10 seconds left of the clock. The most being 7.5 and the least being 1.5 with the rest falling in the 2-3 second range. And of course there's me and a couple others that made it to the top but were just a few seconds short.
So basically if the time limit were 110sec nobody would have made it past stage 1!
I may be a little biased on this, but I think the time should be changed back to 130 like it was in sasuke 18. The current course is harder and has more time wasters than it did in 18, but has less time. Even in 21 you had many competitors finishing with over 10 seconds on the clock, not to mention Levi with 21 seconds. Now those same people are either falling, timing out, or just barely hitting the button before the buzzer.

For me personally, I'm working on my speed a lot. So if I go back I should be fine with the 120 time limit. But I've always felt the purpose of the time limit was to end people's runs that were just going waaay to slow or getting hung up on the warped wall, rather than timing out all but the speediest.

And yes the Slider Jump...it's a motherf**ker!
I hate it, but it IS a cool obstacle! Still, I feel it's more of a stage 2 obstacle, a bit too hard for stage 1. Just my opinion.
Oh and just to clear it up. No. The net did not break when Nagano grabbed it. I was standing right there and I have photos of the net taken after his run with the net intact.

Stage 2 is a bit more generous on the time than 1 for sure, but remember Lee Yen Chi timed out on stage 2 in Sasuke 21!
The swinging ladder is kind of a silly obstacle I think. I'm guessing stage 2's going to have some changes in Sasuke 23 because of how easily it was defeated in 22.

I agree with many of you about how the way the gliding ring was setup in 21 seemed like a better, more challenging obstacle than in 22. Though from what Levi told me, they were having trouble getting the ring to slide right in 21. They had multiple testers do it and fail, made many adjustments, and then finally gave up and told Nagano to go. The current Gliding Ring however is just so easy it's not even really an obstacle so what's the point?
Pipe slider I think was a very good, challenging final obstacle for stage 3. Though I'm not complaining! If and when I get to the end of stage 3 I'll be very happy to have an easy Gliding Ring to complete!! haha

Stage 4 time wise does look a lot easier than the old stage 4 that Nagano did. However watch the video of Nagano in 17. He FLIES up the Spider Climb and finishes with only 2 seconds. It is not really possible to climb a rope ladder as fast as the Spider Climb, so I think if the time limit were 30 seconds, it would be pretty much impossible.
I'd say 40 seconds would be the perfect time for the current setup. Hard, but if you practice a lot it's possible. Much less time than that and I just don't think we'd see anyone do it or get close even.
(keep in mind they're not fresh when they get to stage 4)

[davidcampbell]

Oh yeah, about the Circle Hammer. I actually like it, it's easy enough for the Obamas and Olivias, but still takes some technique (grab low on the rope, swing out in an arc with just enough force to get there, but not so much that you over shoot it, hol your legs up, and drom the legs onto the platform to stop)

Some people mentioned Slider Jump technique. It's too far to reach just by swinging with one arm, but I THINK....MAYBE...it would be possible to slide to the end of the rails, hold on with both hands, swing one foot over to grab the net and then just kind of pull the net toward you with your foor while you reach with one hand. .......maybe, if you're tall?

[RiderLeangle]

Sort of like what some people did on the Flying Chute after grabbing the rope (I think Levi did that)

And the Circle Hammer seems to be a nice time waster, everyone has figured out the trick for the Pole Maze (They wanted jump, get caught on the first, bar, move to the right, get caught on that bar, move to the left and through, Everyone just jumped to the right to begin with then transfered the momentum of the slam to the left), but the Circle Hammer, they give it a runup and make it look like the Metal Spin (And with all these comedians passing the Circle Hammer like that, it's making the Metal Spin look like more of a joke) which throws people off and go into it fast, and they put the landing not at the end of the track but a bit before it so if you miss it, you miss it, then momentum comes into play and swings you out farther and back around (some people go all the way to halfway back like that Obama guy). Not to mention they give it one of the most unstable floating paths in Sasuke history. (I mean look at all the other Shin-Sasuke floating pads, Short, Wide and Long, Rope Glider's, Downhill Jump's, Stick Slider's. (I think that's it), now heres a tall, narrow not so long one.

[scnoi1217]

Very cool to hear opinions on the new obstacles from you David.

The thing I would disagree on is the time limit in Stage 1. Honestly, I think it is perfect as is. Tough, yes, but good, because people can't really take breaks. In Sasuke 21, you had people like Brian and Lee walk though (or at least light jog) most of the 1st Stage and still complete the First Stage. Honestly, that made Stage 1 a bit boring to watch, because as long as they could do the obstacles relatively fast, they would clear. Now, you need a lot of speed to complete the First Stage and time is always a factor. Which for me, is more exciting to watch.

[chackpop]

I wish the producers would cut down the space between obstacles. Before Nagano won, obstacles were right next to each other. The time limit could be lowered to 110 if the amount of space was decreased.

[SuperTiger]

Apr 11, 2009 14:51:21 GMT -5 chackpop said:

I wish the producers would cut down the space between obstacles. Before Nagano won, obstacles were right next to each other. The time limit could be lowered to 110 if the amount of space was decreased.

Im in agreement with this, i would like to see a 115 time limit, yet obstacles closer together, if they keep the halfpipe attack make it smaller, b/c it takes so much space.
The reason the final stage is now so hard(minus the 45 second limit), is b/c the damn rope is a bungee rope like srw said i think?

[supernovamaniac]

Mar 30, 2009 10:32:24 GMT -5 lars072 said:

Mar 30, 2009 10:29:09 GMT -5 @supernovamaniac said:

Did the ring slide?....

Honestly I liked the Nagano one better. It just shows that it is the son of pipe slider. I mean, it HAS to be little harder than before, so yeah.

Huh? Were you watching? Of course it slid and when you have that much speed you are able to get that much more momentum to swing over to the platform like that young lad did. TBS knew that had to change it or it would never be beaten.

Yeah figures that some people actually have to take classes while others skip it.

[davidcampbell]

The distance between the obstacles has become an obstacle in itself in that it contributes to the exhaustion one feels by the end of the stage.

Hey, anyone notice a familiar face in the background of the ANC2 Muscle Park footage?! Hint: white button up shirt!