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Post by Not-so innocent Bystander... on Aug 13, 2015 0:32:45 GMT -5
Look guys, this is a touchy issue, but it needs to be adressed....
Do the All-Stars still have a place in Sasuke? For me, the answer is difficult. I think they are a shadow of their former selves, and somewhat of a trainwreck. Two are retired. One is in disgrace. Nagano is slowly losing the will to carry on, and Shingo/Takeda are too busy trying to one-up each other. Not to mention the beast of aging constantly whittles down whatever hope they have left.
Their performance in 31 was proof of this. Not only did two out of 3 fail laughably, the third was just depressing. Nagano hardly even wants to compete anymore, and I honestly believe 30 was his last chance at stage 3. To see him fail the WW was just sad.
So my question to you is this:
Should the All-Stars have a place in the next generation of Sasuke after Morimoto's total victory? Or is time to finally let the new take over? For me, the All-Stars are in their final decline after a resurgance in 30, one that was quickly destroyed by the Swap Salmon Ladder, I think Nagano will never see stage 3 again, and Shingo will be lucky to get to 2. Takeda is their best bet I believe, but he is also a very optimistic maybe. I think there should be a group effort, one final hurrah before retirement in 32 or 33 if we get there....
Hear me out. I think 32 should be a test. If none past stage one, then they should be retired in 33. This would not be handled like in 28 however.... This will be done with the consent of the all-stars, and I hope this would bring with it a huge effort from them all to succeed. This should be a big effing deal. I'm talking interviews with them all, heavy marketing, Nagano getting one-hundred. What I would love to see, more than anything though, is all six competiting together. They were stuck together, they should end together. Akiyama and Bunpei could be pleaded back, with the knowledge that this is the end. Hell, I'm sure in this situation they would even let Yamada run again, albeit with the lowest number. I think we could get a stage 3, two/three stage 2's and the rest late in stage 1, if they were told months in advance and given time to prepare and for it to sink in....
Yes it would be sad, but Sasuke needs to move on. It needs a modern time, and needs to stop clinging to the past. I believe the new era is the ideal time for this, as the all stars are carrying a weight they can no longer support. A new dawn could rise, with new faces, new stories and new challenges, free from the burden of the past. The transition would be difficult, but it would pay off in the end. This truly would be Sasuke Rising from the ashes....
What do you think?
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Post by zdude69closedrofl on Aug 13, 2015 3:59:12 GMT -5
Morally, I feel like Shingo's last tournament should be the last SASUKE tournament and the reasons are self-explanatory when you consider his history with the show.
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Post by Lachie on Aug 13, 2015 7:27:09 GMT -5
I honestly believe that it is wrong to force retire any Competitior unless they somehow do whatever yamada did to get blacklisted, anyone and everyone, including the all stars should be allowed to stay on the show regardless of space, as I have said, forced retirement is the wrong thing to do.
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Post by Not-so innocent Bystander... on Aug 13, 2015 9:10:23 GMT -5
I honestly believe that it is wrong to force retire any Competitior unless they somehow do whatever yamada did to get blacklisted, anyone and everyone, including the all stars should be allowed to stay on the show regardless of space, as I have said, forced retirement is the wrong thing to do. I'm not saying they should be retired. I think if they can perform decently there is no reason to, but if they continue to decline and embaress themselves it may be in their best interests to retire. In that case, this is how I would like the retirement to be handled.... |
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 13, 2015 10:01:55 GMT -5
the group is already become half of what it was and Nagano is extremely close to leaving too. Both Takeda and Shingo need to step up as the only representatives of the all stars soon... and that is a day I will dread... since I can't imagine SASUKE without Nagano! But it's even worse without Shingo... Let them compete until they decide they should stop.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:10:41 GMT -5
Unless you did what Yamada did, I see no reason why they should be forced to retire. We all saw TBS try to pull the force retirement thing in 28 and we all know how much that backfired.
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 13, 2015 12:15:06 GMT -5
Forced retirement is stupid.
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Post by gt4dom on Aug 13, 2015 12:47:47 GMT -5
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Post by zdude69closedrofl on Aug 13, 2015 14:15:39 GMT -5
Plus I mean, Ishimaru is like 63 now I think? And he's still going, even though he's never passed the first stage.
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Post by Amber on Aug 13, 2015 14:19:12 GMT -5
Forced retirement is stupid. Seconded, seriously, forcing someone to retire kinda kills the spirit of the show. |
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Post by dyer on Aug 13, 2015 16:08:12 GMT -5
Look guys, this is a touchy issue, but it needs to be adressed.... Do the All-Stars still have a place in Sasuke? For me, the answer is difficult. I think they are a shadow of their former selves, and somewhat of a trainwreck. Two are retired. One is in disgrace. Nagano is slowly losing the will to carry on, and Shingo/Takeda are too busy trying to one-up each other. Not to mention the beast of aging constantly whittles down whatever hope they have left. Their performance in 31 was proof of this. Not only did two out of 3 fail laughably, the third was just depressing. Nagano hardly even wants to compete anymore, and I honestly believe 30 was his last chance at stage 3. To see him fail the WW was just sad. So my question to you is this: Should the All-Stars have a place in the next generation of Sasuke after Morimoto's total victory? Or is time to finally let the new take over? For me, the All-Stars are in their final decline after a resurgance in 30, one that was quickly destroyed by the Swap Salmon Ladder, I think Nagano will never see stage 3 again, and Shingo will be lucky to get to 2. Takeda is their best bet I believe, but he is also a very optimistic maybe. I think there should be a group effort, one final hurrah before retirement in 32 or 33 if we get there.... Hear me out. I think 32 should be a test. If none past stage one, then they should be retired in 33. This would not be handled like in 28 however.... This will be done with the consent of the all-stars, and I hope this would bring with it a huge effort from them all to succeed. This should be a big effing deal. I'm talking interviews with them all, heavy marketing, Nagano getting one-hundred. What I would love to see, more than anything though, is all six competiting together. They were stuck together, they should end together. Akiyama and Bunpei could be pleaded back, with the knowledge that this is the end. Hell, I'm sure in this situation they would even let Yamada run again, albeit with the lowest number. I think we could get a stage 3, two/three stage 2's and the rest late in stage 1, if they were told months in advance and given time to prepare and for it to sink in.... Yes it would be sad, but Sasuke needs to move on. It needs a modern time, and needs to stop clinging to the past. I believe the new era is the ideal time for this, as the all stars are carrying a weight they can no longer support. A new dawn could rise, with new faces, new stories and new challenges, free from the burden of the past. The transition would be difficult, but it would pay off in the end. This truly would be Sasuke Rising from the ashes.... What do you think? so you'd rather not want shingo to continue his streak of the only person to compete in every tournament? |
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Post by Not-so innocent Bystander... on Aug 13, 2015 21:55:53 GMT -5
Look guys, this is a touchy issue, but it needs to be adressed.... Do the All-Stars still have a place in Sasuke? For me, the answer is difficult. I think they are a shadow of their former selves, and somewhat of a trainwreck. Two are retired. One is in disgrace. Nagano is slowly losing the will to carry on, and Shingo/Takeda are too busy trying to one-up each other. Not to mention the beast of aging constantly whittles down whatever hope they have left. Their performance in 31 was proof of this. Not only did two out of 3 fail laughably, the third was just depressing. Nagano hardly even wants to compete anymore, and I honestly believe 30 was his last chance at stage 3. To see him fail the WW was just sad. So my question to you is this: Should the All-Stars have a place in the next generation of Sasuke after Morimoto's total victory? Or is time to finally let the new take over? For me, the All-Stars are in their final decline after a resurgance in 30, one that was quickly destroyed by the Swap Salmon Ladder, I think Nagano will never see stage 3 again, and Shingo will be lucky to get to 2. Takeda is their best bet I believe, but he is also a very optimistic maybe. I think there should be a group effort, one final hurrah before retirement in 32 or 33 if we get there.... Hear me out. I think 32 should be a test. If none past stage one, then they should be retired in 33. This would not be handled like in 28 however.... This will be done with the consent of the all-stars, and I hope this would bring with it a huge effort from them all to succeed. This should be a big effing deal. I'm talking interviews with them all, heavy marketing, Nagano getting one-hundred. What I would love to see, more than anything though, is all six competiting together. They were stuck together, they should end together. Akiyama and Bunpei could be pleaded back, with the knowledge that this is the end. Hell, I'm sure in this situation they would even let Yamada run again, albeit with the lowest number. I think we could get a stage 3, two/three stage 2's and the rest late in stage 1, if they were told months in advance and given time to prepare and for it to sink in.... Yes it would be sad, but Sasuke needs to move on. It needs a modern time, and needs to stop clinging to the past. I believe the new era is the ideal time for this, as the all stars are carrying a weight they can no longer support. A new dawn could rise, with new faces, new stories and new challenges, free from the burden of the past. The transition would be difficult, but it would pay off in the end. This truly would be Sasuke Rising from the ashes.... What do you think? so you'd rather not want shingo to continue his streak of the only person to compete in every tournament? Not if, by the end, he turns into Katsumi Yamada with his performances. Saying you competeted in them all isn't worth the humiliation of failing again and again |
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Post by sdolnicek on Aug 14, 2015 1:57:24 GMT -5
I think that "forcing" them to retire would be bad in many way for the show. Even though I am glad that Yamada is out for good, I still enjoyed having the "core thee" aound. Eventually they will retire voluntarly like the rest, and considering how many of these "joke" competitiors and celebrities compete, why don´t just leave a few spots for them instead?
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Post by Alzy on Aug 15, 2015 19:00:41 GMT -5
I believe they should be allowed to compete as long as they want but I'd like to see them retire soon, especially if they feel like their obliged to be there
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Post by Lennon on Aug 15, 2015 20:04:19 GMT -5
I feel like this has already been discussed, and I feel like it's really silly. That's pretty much what 28 was about except without completely forcing them to retire. If they want to compete, LET THEM. Let them enjoy themselves. At this point, I don't think any of them care that much about winning. They all know they can't make it. They are out there so they can meet up with old friends, do something they love doing, and not have the pressure to actually do well.
If they want to retire. That's fine by me. If they don't want to. I'm also fine with that. I don't care if they all end up failing the first three obstacles for several tournaments. It's just fun to see them around. Having some of the All-Stars around is just a glimpse of what Sasuke use to be.
And ya know what? Sasuke can still evolve! It is evolving! New faces are popping up every year, and placing their name out in the Sasuke world. The All-Stars are not stopping from any of that happening.
Let's just enjoy what we all love, Sasuke.
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Post by SasukeDoctor on Aug 31, 2015 22:16:00 GMT -5
Y'know, it's all up to them. If they want to retire, that's their decision. TBS can't force them to (as 28 shows), but if they don't want to, that's ok. Look at many other recurring competitors who have retired. Hasegawa. Koji Yamada. Shinji. Hashimoto. TBS didn't complain. The all-stars are people too; they have lives... Albeit difficult for some. But if they want to just have fun, that's OK. Let them enjoy themselves. No pressure.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Sept 1, 2015 10:24:12 GMT -5
Shingo should be forced to stay. That is all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:42:10 GMT -5
Shingo should be forced to stay. That is all. And he, Takeda and Torisawa will become the new TRIO OF DEATH!!! (insert evil laugh here) |
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