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Post by SRW on Jul 11, 2015 7:24:03 GMT -5
It was a bit unfortunate but I think Drew would have prob failed the Vertical Limit anyway, I seriously doubt he would beat the whole thing. (If you see this Drew sorry lol hope you prove me wrong in 32 )
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Post by Not-so innocent Bystander... on Jul 11, 2015 9:52:17 GMT -5
Sasuke 31... what the actuall hell!?
I just wanna say that I LOVED Sasuke 31 as a whole. The blend of old and new was great, and I loved seeing classic and obscure obstacles like the Tackle and Barrel Climb return, along with the new salmon ladder (Just the right amount of crazy!) and the Sidewinder!
Overall it was great, but there was one late point of contention that really angered me, and is the subject of this thread. Drew (I think the sole US competitor) was in PERFECT form throughout stages 1 and 2, and looked to be a serious contender like last year... Then Stage 3 happened. What the hell TBS? In the past, new and creative techniques like on the Devil Swing have been celebrated and encouraged between competitors, but all of a sudden Drew happens to be smart enough to figure out a great technique for the Crazy Cliffhanger (An obstacle that is already arguably too hard and luck based anyway depending on weight)... and he almost gets disqualified.
Drew earned his way past that obstacle, and you could see how utterly disappointed and shocked he was when he had to re-attempt it and failed. TBS seriously dropped the ball and I think I have a theory as to why this happened. Between TBS making it nearly impossible for US athletes to enter Sasuke and the utter bulls**t that NBC caused with the "USA VS" Spinoffs, I'd say that they did this on purpose as revenge. I almost guarantee that if it was a Japanese competitor, they wouldn't have disqualified them or at the very least TOLD THEM about the made up rule in advance. Because of what they did, Drew was screwed from the start, as it is basically impossible for a man of his size, stature and weight to complete the obstacle in the traditional way. He came with a plan and TBS knew he could potentially achieve Kanzenseiha, so TBS sabotaged him because they were too bitter to accept even the POSSIBILITY of there being an American champion.
All my congratulations go to Morimoto for his awesome total victory, the first since Yuuji's 2nd, but the whole Drew thing seriously just left a bitter taste in my mouth. And before you say this is just American patriotism talking, i'm from the UK... If this truly is the final Sasuke, then I'm glad there was a Kanzenseiha, but i'm also sad that American/Japanese relations on the course have turned so sour. What do you guys think? Hit me up below! Okay.. I had to take a break from SMF because the amount of misinformation that is allowed by mods to continue is setting me into a rage. However THIS post in particular I was asked by a few people to come back and correct. FIRST.. TBS didn't sabotage anyone. If anything, it was oversight for something that was generally known by everyone at this point. I mentioned it in the podcast already (which was taped before this post) and I went out of my way to explain it on chat but apparently my words got twisted or people read what they wanted to hear. Lalaport last year you had Yuuji and a few others doing that turn around technique that they do in private (and have been for YEARS). Hell Morimoto did it when he created the CCH about 7 years ago if you really want to get technical. The thing that is significant about Lalaport is that they did it in PUBLIC.. several videos (this is one) got out of the guys goofing around doing that exact same technique. In this one you see Jin turning around on that (he did complete it later but not on this particular video. This was all day long they did this. More importantly, TBS was in attendance when Yuuji did it (his video is not online anymore) and they were politely told to stop doing that in front of the kids because "you know it's not allowed in Sasuke". Everyone agrees that the thing looks cool when you clear it. Remember, this was AFTER Sasuke 30's taping so Drew was already back at home however discussion about this was online for months. So I have no idea where anyone is getting this BS that the rule was completely made up or that Drew magically came up with this technique on his own. No offense to Drew but this was a common hotdog technique that everyone has done at least once and the stars do all the time in private. Drew unfortunately was not told of that change because it was not brought up at Sasuke. I'm told he wrote it out on his application/information sheet but TBS either didn't understand it or didn't communicate it to anyone in the production team. Inui wasn't told. To give you an idea.. "I" even knew of the rule sitting in the stands in Stage 3. The second he turned around I knew what he was doing was wrong. TBS International (the people who invited him) should have told him if they understood what he wrote down on that sheet. Inui figuring out that it was a miscommunication issue gave him a rerun. Drew failed the rerun because he didn't train with the twist by his own admission. He said in person that the twist was more difficult and he has trouble with it so that's why he trained turned around. Drew should have trained the proper way to begin with as that is has been the standard way of clearing for 3 tournaments in a row. While it's pretty to look at, it's dangerous. Similar to doing a triple axle in Figure skating, as soon as you go forward you lose your balance and are not stable. That's what H&S and the production team deemed. EVERYONE in Japan knew the rule. Heck. JIN knew the rule and he's not Japanese. I'm honestly a little baffled as to how Drew didn't know given how close he is to other competitors unless he didn't communicate he was going to do it this year. This conversation has happened online months before Sasuke 31 happened. I distinctly remember Drew bringing it up because he was going to do it last year and changed his mind and did the twist. So I was a little surprised that he didn't know given that it was brought up at length last year. My guess is that it got lost in the conversation and not discussed because the issue was considered "understood" among everyone to be illegal and Drew was left out of the loop unintentionally. Again, it was generally understood by everyone that it was illegal and even I knew it sitting on my computer in friggin' New Jersey. Also, given that this post is after a pretty large thread stating that it is not the last Sasuke, more misinformation is being spread. American/Japanese relations between competitors are fine. Hell the competitors LOVE Drew and talk to each other constantly about training on Facebook almost on a daily basis. In Japan they were crawling over each other just to train with Drew. NBC/TBS have their own issues that is separate from the competitors. It always has been this way. TBS didn't sabotage anything. In fact they expected Drew to win and asked NBC permission to put him on the show KNOWING he could win so while I have my own issues with TBS International, don't spread unnecessary rumors to fit your version of events. If anyone is sabotaging anything, point your finger at NBC who does that often to Team Japan with no shame whatsoever. If they truly hated Drew they would not have gone out of their way to invite him. They would not have given him a rerun and more importantly they would not have covered up the whole incident on television. If they truly wanted to sink him they would have shown the whole thing. Finally this entire thread should have been in the main discussion thread behind a spoiler wall the way it was requested. It is obvious from the OG that he didn't bother reading that thread since we already discussed in detail about this issue. Drew wasn't screwed, TBS is not being a**es to the Americans and no one is trying to sink the foreigners because they are trying to keep a Japanese champion. Don't bring racist problems and throw them all over Sasuke. It enrages me considering how much effort is put into even GETTING Americans back on this damn show in the first place. I just want to go on record saying that when I made this thread, it was immediately after watching sasuke 31, and I knew nothing about the health and safety aspect.
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Post by TCM on Jul 11, 2015 10:05:29 GMT -5
Health and Safety has been around since 28, and the show wouldn't even be around without it.
And this thread was only reported once for being outside 31, and the person who reported it wasn't even in the thread. My bad on not marking it spoilers when moving it, I did it from mobile on a rush.
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Post by wolf4537 on Jul 11, 2015 13:48:25 GMT -5
You know, after watching the backwards attempt at the CCH, I honestly think that that method of completing the obstacle is a lot more risky than it is rewarding. Sure it might help getting a better dismount off the 3rd ledge to the 4th in terms of knowing what you're going for, but on the contrary, the risk of hitting your head/neck is MUCH greater, which could, just possibly, be life threatening if it really came down to that. It sucks what happened to Drew, but I think that with everything being past him now, I think he now knows what to really work on when it comes to beating this obstacle. I expect big things from him in Sasuke 32.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 12, 2015 0:21:49 GMT -5
The thread was written 9 full days after the broadcast ignoring 4 sticky threads including the one that had the information explained in painful detail. That's also the problem of including chat in the video outside of the original broadcast timeframe. It created more problems that are reverberating outside of these forums. The bigger issue is that there is no excuse to come up with a theory like that given the information that was already out there. You created a thread that still should be inside of the discussion thread (as that is where it originated from) ignoring ALL other posts that were already in the forums. My biggest frustration is that the mods ignored 2 days worth of reporting and it still is in the wrong place. This was private information that was only shared in chat by Drew himself and then corroborated by me when he was attacked for "trolling". I even had to do a podcast to try to explain the situation because it was getting out of hand. It was not in the original broadcast aired in Japan. This is why I'm furious because there is misinformation that was shared privately to a small group and now it blew up into a racist rant attacking Drew who was nice enough to explain what happened outside of the aired broadcast. THIS is why it should be in the discussion thread since it was originally in chat and ONLY in chat and NOT in the official broadcast.
The other is that those who are blatantly ignoring the simple rules (there are only 2 for crying out loud) aren't getting warnings and continuing to troll the rest of the boards citing that they are new. All of you read the stickies on top and read the messages when you signed up. The point of moderation is to keep everyone else from having to deal with lazy people who aren't capable of reading recent threads that are still in the first page and still constantly being updated with information. So instead we get these problems and lose more and more people because they are getting friggin' tired of dealing with the "kids from SMF". I for one am tired and won't be posting jack until I get to it and if I feel like it. My inbox is getting bombarded by people who don't want to deal with SMF but want to know "zomg what happened zomg" only to find out that it was BS that shouldn't have happened anyway because it was wrong to begin with. I'm not a damn moderator for a reason.
Edit: Thanks blt for moving it where it needed to go.
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