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Post by Eclipse on Oct 29, 2015 11:31:41 GMT -5
Are people assuming the thickness? Or was it confirmed? Because honestly, I wasn't told that the ledges had any issues or harder, etc. Bananarealm posted that x-warriors ledges about were 1 to 1.5 don't know were he got that information from I justed posted the conversation measurements. Educated assumptions. I waited for them to show good angles, paused it, and then did the same to Sasuke and ANW. By no means 'official', but when you pay attention to it, it isn't hard to see the measurements. After getting some images for you guys, I got clearer shots of the middle ledges by looking through more episodes. Those are never shown directly from the side, but from the far out camera shots and hand positions it appears that they are the same size. In the previous images I had, they were shown below from a steeper angle which made them seem thicker (my bad), but they're also just the 1 inch bars. The main bars are absolutely the same thickness though and I don't think there is much question to it. Sample evidence:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 11:57:32 GMT -5
The ledges look like they could cause splinters.
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Post by Eclipse on Oct 29, 2015 12:25:04 GMT -5
The ledges look like they could cause splinters. Yeah, they appear to just be wood. What's interesting to me is you can see in some shots the the first ledge isn't the same thickness heightwise (rather than depth). It's like the screwed up cutting it and just rolled with it. The end you see Matthews on is almost square at the end, but the other end is actually close a 3/2 or 5/3 height to depth.
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Post by teige on Oct 30, 2015 9:13:38 GMT -5
Hello, Watthews here (LOL). I've not tried an original-certified cliffhanger, but pretty sure this one was 3cm, and the little transition holds were the same. During training* I found the cliffhanger very hard without resting beforehand! *We were given a couple days to practice all the obstacles in daytime prior to competition, though this was broken up by work being done on obstacles or herded for interviews etc (as well as wanting to conserve energy, as the scheduled night of our competition was constantly being changed). The hang-climb had one relatively easy route through it, holding only the "horn"-shaped holds, and moving your legs correctly helped. Most people fell off from deviating from the route, because all of the other holds were basically unusable for anyone other than maybe Qu Hai Bin (world-cup competing boulderer on the Chinese team) who was talented at all stages! This did seem like a pretty sketchy production going in to it (production- and construction-wise), but at least the production team responded to our concerns and looked after us well (compared to ITV). The champagne ceremony and stuff was a hilarious touch, makes you feel like a real athlete/F1 driver. The Chinese roster of 10 had to put up a team on back-to-back nights, and some guys competed in most - a tough task but they were up to it. The local weather meant wet surfaces after sunset and the plastic surfaces were slick as you saw, haha. We had a dry final evening for China vs USA though, and a lot of hype surrounding that contest - it's one to watch! Happy to answer Qs if anyone is interested in this show.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 30, 2015 11:48:15 GMT -5
Hey! Thanks for coming on and posting! Yeah.. China's production was.. rocky to say the least. The hope of many is that they actually get a good build team next year (as they reaaaaally want another one) and better relations with TBS (doubtful on that though). We'll see what happens but I'm happy there were minimal injuries on that sketchy set. That entire competition was an afterthought so I'm thinking with better time management and actual PLANNING it would be better next year.
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Post by teige on Oct 30, 2015 19:48:05 GMT -5
The course site was populated by many migrant workers who were resting under the shade of the obstacles and stapling covers on to the structures etc. throughout long days. I suppose this was the build team, though I think Brian (mystery 5th American who lives in China ) did some obstacle designing and adjusting long prior. Many months ago in spring, the production company were apparently asking Toby for images of the NWUKcourse for.. 'inspiration'. In response to our concerns about the slippery weather, producers had grip tape applied in a few places, it did help but I took the skin off my knee on it, haha. The fairly large obstacles are exciting compared to NWUK, but surely unsafe high above quite shallow pools. Thankfully the water seemed deep enough to keep everyone injury-free. There were also issues with the stage 4 belay system. We did some testing before competition, for the prod team. The belay crew were used to doing 'stage-wires'(?) and the harness was attached to a steel cable not designed to take dynamic falls like a climbing rope is. For this reason they wanted to keep tension in the system, but because of the amount of pulleys and because it was controlled by human belayers running, they ended up lifting the climber in an inconsistent fashion. There was a lot of debate about leaving some slack in the system so climbers pulled all their weight, whether this was safe, and whether a climber who spun around would get entangled. Eventually they decided to fix the rope tight to the floor, thinking it would prevent climbers spinning, and leave a little slack in the belay system. Some weren't super-happy about this. Does anyone know how the belay system works in Sasuke? I was told in ANW it provides a constant pull, approx 10kg of assistance, I would guess this is an auto-belay. Have never seen the NWUK belay system. The director was very apologetic about all of these issues and to be fair took what limited and misguided action he was able to in <24hrs to allay our concerns. He said up-front that he was inexperienced at this and wanted to put on a good competition. I really hope that they are able to get some assistance from the team behind Sasuke in future, it has such potential! (P.S. Richard threw the director in to the water after the competition, hahaha!)
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Post by supremekai on Oct 31, 2015 7:25:03 GMT -5
The course site was populated by many migrant workers who were resting under the shade of the obstacles and stapling covers on to the structures etc. throughout long days. I suppose this was the build team, though I think Brian (mystery 5th American who lives in China ) did some obstacle designing and adjusting long prior. Many months ago in spring, the production company were apparently asking Toby for images of the NWUKcourse for.. 'inspiration'. In response to our concerns about the slippery weather, producers had grip tape applied in a few places, it did help but I took the skin off my knee on it, haha. The fairly large obstacles are exciting compared to NWUK, but surely unsafe high above quite shallow pools. Thankfully the water seemed deep enough to keep everyone injury-free. There were also issues with the stage 4 belay system. We did some testing before competition, for the prod team. The belay crew were used to doing 'stage-wires'(?) and the harness was attached to a steel cable not designed to take dynamic falls like a climbing rope is. For this reason they wanted to keep tension in the system, but because of the amount of pulleys and because it was controlled by human belayers running, they ended up lifting the climber in an inconsistent fashion. There was a lot of debate about leaving some slack in the system so climbers pulled all their weight, whether this was safe, and whether a climber who spun around would get entangled. Eventually they decided to fix the rope tight to the floor, thinking it would prevent climbers spinning, and leave a little slack in the belay system. Some weren't super-happy about this. Does anyone know how the belay system works in Sasuke? I was told in ANW it provides a constant pull, approx 10kg of assistance, I would guess this is an auto-belay. Have never seen the NWUK belay system. The director was very apologetic about all of these issues and to be fair took what limited and misguided action he was able to in <24hrs to allay our concerns. He said up-front that he was inexperienced at this and wanted to put on a good competition. I really hope that they are able to get some assistance from the team behind Sasuke in future, it has such potential! (P.S. Richard threw the director in to the water after the competition, hahaha!) HANG ON A MINUTE??? 10KG PULL? NO WONDER ISAAC WAS "SO IMPRESSIVE" WITH HIS "IMPOSSIBLE" 23 METRES IN 27 SECONDS. Please don't tell me I'm the only one who never knew this scandal :/ I'm guessing Japan do it the 0KG slack way right?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 31, 2015 10:36:15 GMT -5
The course site was populated by many migrant workers who were resting under the shade of the obstacles and stapling covers on to the structures etc. throughout long days. I suppose this was the build team, though I think Brian (mystery 5th American who lives in China ) did some obstacle designing and adjusting long prior. Many months ago in spring, the production company were apparently asking Toby for images of the NWUKcourse for.. 'inspiration'. In response to our concerns about the slippery weather, producers had grip tape applied in a few places, it did help but I took the skin off my knee on it, haha. The fairly large obstacles are exciting compared to NWUK, but surely unsafe high above quite shallow pools. Thankfully the water seemed deep enough to keep everyone injury-free. There were also issues with the stage 4 belay system. We did some testing before competition, for the prod team. The belay crew were used to doing 'stage-wires'(?) and the harness was attached to a steel cable not designed to take dynamic falls like a climbing rope is. For this reason they wanted to keep tension in the system, but because of the amount of pulleys and because it was controlled by human belayers running, they ended up lifting the climber in an inconsistent fashion. There was a lot of debate about leaving some slack in the system so climbers pulled all their weight, whether this was safe, and whether a climber who spun around would get entangled. Eventually they decided to fix the rope tight to the floor, thinking it would prevent climbers spinning, and leave a little slack in the belay system. Some weren't super-happy about this. Does anyone know how the belay system works in Sasuke? I was told in ANW it provides a constant pull, approx 10kg of assistance, I would guess this is an auto-belay. Have never seen the NWUK belay system. The director was very apologetic about all of these issues and to be fair took what limited and misguided action he was able to in <24hrs to allay our concerns. He said up-front that he was inexperienced at this and wanted to put on a good competition. I really hope that they are able to get some assistance from the team behind Sasuke in future, it has such potential! (P.S. Richard threw the director in to the water after the competition, hahaha!) HANG ON A MINUTE??? 10KG PULL? NO WONDER ISAAC WAS "SO IMPRESSIVE" WITH HIS "IMPOSSIBLE" 23 METRES IN 27 SECONDS. Please don't tell me I'm the only one who never knew this scandal :/ I'm guessing Japan do it the 0KG slack way right? There may be a mixup, I think that might be in regards to the safety floor under the Spider Climb and Invisible Ladder in regional finals, I've been around that rig 3 times (Baltimore, St Louis, Pittsburgh) and they have circular weights attached to the supports that are released at intervals, almost ratchet like to bring the safety floor up, I'm not 100% sure if it's manual or automatic, I think it used to be Manual but they switched to Automatic this year, especially since now that's the way they lower competitors down (as opposed to using one of those small construction lift things)
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Post by gt4dom on Oct 31, 2015 13:03:05 GMT -5
The course site was populated by many migrant workers who were resting under the shade of the obstacles and stapling covers on to the structures etc. throughout long days. I suppose this was the build team, though I think Brian (mystery 5th American who lives in China ) did some obstacle designing and adjusting long prior. Many months ago in spring, the production company were apparently asking Toby for images of the NWUKcourse for.. 'inspiration'. In response to our concerns about the slippery weather, producers had grip tape applied in a few places, it did help but I took the skin off my knee on it, haha. The fairly large obstacles are exciting compared to NWUK, but surely unsafe high above quite shallow pools. Thankfully the water seemed deep enough to keep everyone injury-free. There were also issues with the stage 4 belay system. We did some testing before competition, for the prod team. The belay crew were used to doing 'stage-wires'(?) and the harness was attached to a steel cable not designed to take dynamic falls like a climbing rope is. For this reason they wanted to keep tension in the system, but because of the amount of pulleys and because it was controlled by human belayers running, they ended up lifting the climber in an inconsistent fashion. There was a lot of debate about leaving some slack in the system so climbers pulled all their weight, whether this was safe, and whether a climber who spun around would get entangled. Eventually they decided to fix the rope tight to the floor, thinking it would prevent climbers spinning, and leave a little slack in the belay system. Some weren't super-happy about this. Does anyone know how the belay system works in Sasuke? I was told in ANW it provides a constant pull, approx 10kg of assistance, I would guess this is an auto-belay. Have never seen the NWUK belay system. The director was very apologetic about all of these issues and to be fair took what limited and misguided action he was able to in <24hrs to allay our concerns. He said up-front that he was inexperienced at this and wanted to put on a good competition. I really hope that they are able to get some assistance from the team behind Sasuke in future, it has such potential! (P.S. Richard threw the director in to the water after the competition, hahaha!) Sounds like you had an awesome time ^^ One question I have after going to watch NW:UK tapings for Season 1 and 2 was that some of the obstacles there were really poorly built, so did the obstacles at X-Warrior seem fair? And also a bit off topic but how did you find the Salmon Ladder and Unstable Bridge in NW:UK? They both looked shoddy as hell so I'd be interested to know what they were like when you were on them
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Post by teige on Nov 2, 2015 10:00:29 GMT -5
Should I have mentioned the auto-belay lol , I heard from someone who was on site that ANW rope belay is some kind of auto-belay with a constant pull to prevent slack (which could be dangerous), the strength of the pull was just a figure put out there so bound to be inaccurate. The entire statement could easily be wrong, too. I wonder how the belay is done in Japan, and how it'll be done in the UK. Like I said the stage-wire guys hired in China were way outside of their expertise. Hey gt4dom, I found the salmon ladder in the UK pretty shaky, but I don't know how unusual this is: I noticed ANW competitors killing their swing dead before doing the SL in their regionals, probably to avoid the shaking. In China it was also a little bit shaky, and for some reason the bar easily missed or bounced out of the rungs, making a lot of people land wonky. The unstable bridge in the UK was super unstable and I figured that was the gold standard haha! In China they ran the chains through pipes making it a stable bridge, it was very forgiving with how you crossed it, but was still able to tip if you really loaded one side only. Until competition night we had only trained the conservative 2-hands-jumping technique, but when we saw everyone saving time by reaching with one arm in China v Netherlands, we decided to try it that way in competition. So I think 'fairness' really depends on everyone having a similar understanding of how the obstacle behaves. If we all knew it was crazy unstable it'd still be fair, just really hard! The stage 1 and 2 obstacles on X-warrior, I liked them a lot to be honest, they were big, and fun. You might say the pole grasper is unfair for shorter guys, but the gaps could be jumped. People's footwear could let them down on the spider climb, making it 'unfair'ly slippery for them, but I feel like it's your responsibility to get sticky rubber on your feet. Stage 3 rope junction had a belay on the final rope and the weight on the other end was never adjusted, so it didn't descend at all for Zack D Fuzzle, and plummetted for the heavier guys! I think the difficulty of those two obstacles on the UK course is fine to be honest, they were quite tricky but I think most finalists could cross it outside of competition. P.S. our friend Perry completed NWUK's stage 2 in the time-limit during his course-testing.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Nov 2, 2015 13:44:42 GMT -5
Should I have mentioned the auto-belay lol , I heard from someone who was on site that ANW rope belay is some kind of auto-belay with a constant pull to prevent slack (which could be dangerous), the strength of the pull was just a figure put out there so bound to be inaccurate. The entire statement could easily be wrong, too. I wonder how the belay is done in Japan, and how it'll be done in the UK. Like I said the stage-wire guys hired in China were way outside of their expertise. Hey gt4dom, I found the salmon ladder in the UK pretty shaky, but I don't know how unusual this is: I noticed ANW competitors killing their swing dead before doing the SL in their regionals, probably to avoid the shaking. In China it was also a little bit shaky, and for some reason the bar easily missed or bounced out of the rungs, making a lot of people land wonky. The unstable bridge in the UK was super unstable and I figured that was the gold standard haha! In China they ran the chains through pipes making it a stable bridge, it was very forgiving with how you crossed it, but was still able to tip if you really loaded one side only. Until competition night we had only trained the conservative 2-hands-jumping technique, but when we saw everyone saving time by reaching with one arm in China v Netherlands, we decided to try it that way in competition. So I think 'fairness' really depends on everyone having a similar understanding of how the obstacle behaves. If we all knew it was crazy unstable it'd still be fair, just really hard! The stage 1 and 2 obstacles on X-warrior, I liked them a lot to be honest, they were big, and fun. You might say the pole grasper is unfair for shorter guys, but the gaps could be jumped. People's footwear could let them down on the spider climb, making it 'unfair'ly slippery for them, but I feel like it's your responsibility to get sticky rubber on your feet. Stage 3 rope junction had a belay on the final rope and the weight on the other end was never adjusted, so it didn't descend at all for Zack D Fuzzle, and plummetted for the heavier guys! I think the difficulty of those two obstacles on the UK course is fine to be honest, they were quite tricky but I think most finalists could cross it outside of competition. P.S. our friend Perry completed NWUK's stage 2 in the time-limit during his course-testing. Hi Teige! I'm glad to hear that someone managed to beat the impossible stage 2 from NWUK, even if it was just in testing Btw, can you confirm whether or not the stage 2 of NWUK started with the rope climb this year? Last year it just seemed a bit unfair that you had to do a really unnecessary rope climb on top of the near impossible time limit. We've got conflicting reports of stage 2 this year, based on people who were there haha And can I just say I'm really impressed with your NWUK performance this year! I went to the taping of the semis and you DESTROYED the semi-finals on the very first run! Do you think you'll do ninja competitions in the future if they continue?
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Post by arsenette on Nov 2, 2015 13:59:26 GMT -5
If at all possible could those questions be in the Ninja Warrior UK (Season 2) thread and keep this only for Sasuke China? I think those who follow the UK thread would appreciate that type of conversation there. They won't see it here if they don't care/follow China's show.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Nov 3, 2015 2:28:57 GMT -5
If at all possible could those questions be in the Ninja Warrior UK (Season 2) thread and keep this only for Sasuke China? I think those who follow the UK thread would appreciate that type of conversation there. They won't see it here if they don't care/follow China's show. Agreed
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Post by teige on Nov 3, 2015 12:30:27 GMT -5
China vs USA!
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Post by arsenette on Nov 3, 2015 12:37:54 GMT -5
LOL They yanked it just that quickly.. dangit..
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Post by zocom7 on Nov 3, 2015 13:31:23 GMT -5
That video is still processing for time. I hate to see if that episode is not to be shown in YouTube just because it involved USA athletes from ANW. For the other users, if you are interested to watch Sasuke China in compressed HD quality, watch the episodes here: www.letv.com/zongyi/10009879.htmlIt appears that the latest episode has yet to be uploaded into Letv.
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Post by Eclipse on Nov 3, 2015 14:07:11 GMT -5
LOL They yanked it just that quickly.. dangit.. I don't think it was 'yanked'. They tend to put the placeholder up in the morning and then it takes *several* hours to appear. Last week it took ~5 hours until it appeared, and they have never been consistant about upload times. Doesn't seem to be automated like Sasuke Viet Nam was. If it is still not up when my post here is 4 hours old, that's when I'd start questioning it. Until then, it's just processing.
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Post by theok on Nov 3, 2015 14:31:55 GMT -5
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Post by arsenette on Nov 3, 2015 14:32:33 GMT -5
LOL They yanked it just that quickly.. dangit.. I don't think it was 'yanked'. They tend to put the placeholder up in the morning and then it takes *several* hours to appear. Last week it took ~5 hours until it appeared, and they have never been consistant about upload times. Doesn't seem to be automated like Sasuke Viet Nam was. If it is still not up when my post here is 4 hours old, that's when I'd start questioning it. Until then, it's just processing. Yeah but it was fun to say so. Ahahahahahahah Thanks I'll check later. It's unusual for me to catch it JUST as it's posted for processing. I just had to. LOL Thanks! While we wait for processing I can see it. Btw the Random American Dude I couldn't figure who he was.. his name is Brian Bies.
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Post by SasukeDoctor on Nov 3, 2015 19:50:03 GMT -5
Seriously has he been on ANW or X-SASUKE?
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