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Post by Amber on Jul 19, 2015 18:52:24 GMT -5
Awww man I wish they would do regionals like ANW instead of all in one venue. It just doesn't work. I honestly preferred when they DIDN'T have it in several regions and felt it worked better that way for ANW. Yet again, NWUK hasn't tried it so it'd be cool to see them experiment.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 19, 2015 20:49:47 GMT -5
For the record Perry doesn't read SMF anymore. *Shakes fist* Well if posters actually make the effort not to chase new(er) SMF readers away then we wouldn't have that issue. And I agree that I would HOPE they learned from last year AND their pretty extensive viewer mail that was mixed to negative.
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Post by Not-so innocent Bystander... on Jul 21, 2015 13:10:08 GMT -5
Well if posters actually make the effort not to chase new(er) SMF readers away then we wouldn't have that issue. And I agree that I would HOPE they learned from last year AND their pretty extensive viewer mail that was mixed to negative. What exactly did you not like about season one? And believe me, as someone who lives in the UK, literally right next to the studio, the negative reception was NOT from serious Sasuke fans! Go on the Facebook page and you'll see that 95% of the complaints in the final were from ignorant British people who are conditioned to wanting a happy ending, had never heard of or seen Sasuke and so were pissed when they: a) Added a time limit because "It should be whoever gets the farthest." b) Thought that if Timothy Shieff had beaten stage two it would have been total victory. c) Thought the final would just be a rope climb.... lol d) Failed to notice THE ENTIRE THIRD STAGE which was shown before the ad break. Btw, the third stage was pretty pathetic anyway. Literally just three floating boards, the Ultimate Cliffhanger and then a Flying Bar that literally looked impossible it was that badly constructed.
It makes me laugh but also kind of angers me that season 2 will likely lose many viewers because they were too ignorant to learn what the show was based on in Season One, and so ragequit when they didn't get the traditionally English "happy ending" that for some reason EVERY ENGLISH SHOW EVER MUST HAVE. In that sense I think ANW did better, because atleast they have the specials that mention the existence of Sasuke, but over all 8 episodes of Ninja Warrior UK, the existence of Sasuke was never mentioned ONCE, only credited in the credits. For me the biggest thing they MUST do is start Season 2 with a quick "history of Ninja Warrior" segment or something, so viewers can immediately be educated and so the problem won't repeat when everyone likely falls short again. Even from serious news outlets that review tv, the reception was still lukewarm because they actually gave enough of a s*** to know that Sasuke exists and so constantly bashed the heats and semis for being pathetically easy in comparison.
So yeah, for anyone who didn't see series one, I actually recommend watching it as it is much better than ANW. Seriously, there aren't nearly as many boring a** heats to sit through, not nearly as many sob stories that go on too long, and the only doctored results were a woman being placed in the final because someone else dropped out, and the last man standing being re-arranged to go last, which I believe is personally reasonable. So the improvements i'd mainly like to see are:
1) EDUCATE YOUR DAMN AUDIENCE TO STOP THE FINAL BACKLASH FROM HAPPENING AGAIN! 2) Spend more time building the obstacles. To give them credit, the heats, semis and stage 1 of the final were perfectly built, but everything after was flimsy and pathetic. I wouldn't have been surprised if the UCH was built of paper mache. 3) Increase the difficulty of the heats. The first one was okay, but I hate Jump Hang, Barrel Grip, Dancing Stones and Warped Wall nerfs... 4) Have a wider range of obstacles. This is a no-brainer considering it is a new season and so it needs fresh obstacles, but more obstacles were needed in general. Then again, a did like the use of pretty obscure Sasuke obstacles like Rope Junction, Curtain Cling and Cycling Road.
So that wraps up this needlessly long post... I'd be interested to hear what you think, and trust me when I say this is actually worth your time and not a trainwreck like some of ANW. Also Arsenette, it may be a strange question, but do you speak Japanese? I've just been wondering
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Post by gt4dom on Jul 21, 2015 14:07:17 GMT -5
I totally forgot about the flying bar Yea no one was beating that crap, the obstacle was stupidly built now I remember it But idc, no one was beating the Miska Cliffhanger anyway, let alone the four floating boards, so it didn't happen anyway. There was rumors when we were there that the 20m rope climb had a time limit of 40 seconds but that will probably go down to 30 seconds. Btw forgot to mention all of NW:UK final is taped within a single afternoon, competitors got like a 30 minute break between Stage 1 and 2 and competitors go straight onto Stage 3 once they beat Stage 2 with only a small minute break. It was seen more as Stage 2B rather than a Stage 3. Therefore thats why I assume a fairer rope climb time would be 40 seconds instead of 30/35.
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Post by Not-so innocent Bystander... on Jul 21, 2015 14:53:42 GMT -5
I totally forgot about the flying bar Yea no one was beating that crap, the obstacle was stupidly built now I remember it But idc, no one was beating the Miska Cliffhanger anyway, let alone the four floating boards, so it didn't happen anyway. There was rumors when we were there that the 20m rope climb had a time limit of 40 seconds but that will probably go down to 30 seconds. Btw forgot to mention all of NW:UK final is taped within a single afternoon, competitors got like a 30 minute break between Stage 1 and 2 and competitors go straight onto Stage 3 once they beat Stage 2 with only a small minute break. It was seen more as Stage 2B rather than a Stage 3. Therefore thats why I assume a fairer rope climb time would be 40 seconds instead of 30/35. Were you a competitor?
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Post by gt4dom on Jul 21, 2015 16:32:41 GMT -5
I totally forgot about the flying bar Yea no one was beating that crap, the obstacle was stupidly built now I remember it But idc, no one was beating the Miska Cliffhanger anyway, let alone the four floating boards, so it didn't happen anyway. There was rumors when we were there that the 20m rope climb had a time limit of 40 seconds but that will probably go down to 30 seconds. Btw forgot to mention all of NW:UK final is taped within a single afternoon, competitors got like a 30 minute break between Stage 1 and 2 and competitors go straight onto Stage 3 once they beat Stage 2 with only a small minute break. It was seen more as Stage 2B rather than a Stage 3. Therefore thats why I assume a fairer rope climb time would be 40 seconds instead of 30/35. Were you a competitor? My friend (ExtremeUKGaming) was and failed the Dancing Stones in Episode 1. We went to the Heat 1/2 and Final Tapings though and we were right behind the flying bar for first bit of stage 1, and then were moved to behind the unstable bridge/salmon ladder for Stage 2, sat right next to everyone's family for Stage 2 and got to speak to all the competitors after their run except for Tim Shieff
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Post by Not-so innocent Bystander... on Jul 21, 2015 17:09:54 GMT -5
My friend (ExtremeUKGaming) was and failed the Dancing Stones in Episode 1. We went to the Heat 1/2 and Final Tapings though and we were right behind the flying bar for first bit of stage 1, and then were moved to behind the unstable bridge/salmon ladder for Stage 2, sat right next to everyone's family for Stage 2 and got to speak to all the competitors after their run except for Tim Shieff Sounds great! I only managed to get tickets for the heats this year, because the semi final and final tickets sold out in about five minutes... I'll take this as a sign that the show is getting more popular... yay And for those that want to know, the cliffhanger in the final was not the Ultimate Cliffhanger, it was something known as a Miska Cliffhanger that looked tougher! Does anyone know if it is against the rules to post what the heat obstacles are in advance before the show airs? I hope they're different, it would be boring to have the same as season 1, and besides the heats were pretty pathetic compared to ANW....
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Post by gt4dom on Jul 21, 2015 18:00:19 GMT -5
My friend (ExtremeUKGaming) was and failed the Dancing Stones in Episode 1. We went to the Heat 1/2 and Final Tapings though and we were right behind the flying bar for first bit of stage 1, and then were moved to behind the unstable bridge/salmon ladder for Stage 2, sat right next to everyone's family for Stage 2 and got to speak to all the competitors after their run except for Tim Shieff Sounds great! I only managed to get tickets for the heats this year, because the semi final and final tickets sold out in about five minutes... I'll take this as a sign that the show is getting more popular... yay And for those that want to know, the cliffhanger in the final was not the Ultimate Cliffhanger, it was something known as a Miska Cliffhanger that looked tougher! Does anyone know if it is against the rules to post what the heat obstacles are in advance before the show airs? I hope they're different, it would be boring to have the same as season 1, and besides the heats were pretty pathetic compared to ANW.... Anyone who wanted them last season could get them from me and I'll do the same again this season. Also they just called it the cliffhanger but I nicknamed it the "Miska" Cliffhanger as Miska Sutela was the guy who originally designed and tested this version of the cliffhanger in NW:Sweden and the same one (although slightly modified) was used here. Yea we couldn't get tickets for the final either but if Hunter is competing then he will be able to get some Would kinda suck if we couldn't get in to see it :I
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Post by Not-so innocent Bystander... on Jul 21, 2015 18:02:53 GMT -5
Sounds great! I only managed to get tickets for the heats this year, because the semi final and final tickets sold out in about five minutes... I'll take this as a sign that the show is getting more popular... yay And for those that want to know, the cliffhanger in the final was not the Ultimate Cliffhanger, it was something known as a Miska Cliffhanger that looked tougher! Does anyone know if it is against the rules to post what the heat obstacles are in advance before the show airs? I hope they're different, it would be boring to have the same as season 1, and besides the heats were pretty pathetic compared to ANW.... Anyone who wanted them last season could get them from me and I'll do the same again this season. Also they just called it the cliffhanger but I nicknamed it the "Miska" Cliffhanger as Miska Sutela was the guy who originally designed and tested this version of the cliffhanger in NW:Sweden and the same one (although slightly modified) was used here. Yea we couldn't get tickets for the final either but if Hunter is competing then he will be able to get some Would kinda suck if we couldn't get in to see it :I Woah.... The more you know XD Good look getting tickets for the final, sure it's gonna be awesome! Hope someone actually gets to stage 3 this time, and that they add the metal spin or Backstream! Ninja Warrior UK needs longer courses!
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Post by arsenette on Jul 21, 2015 18:44:47 GMT -5
IIRC the complaints from articles and Twitter (I didn't follow Facebook) was that the presentation looked like another show (which is never good) so people immediately called it a rip off. The other was the fast that it was so damn small and they thought it was repetitive. The fact that they are repeating it again is sad. Btw is ANW shown in the UK? I know no one else has Sasuke Rising and it's been years really since a new Sasuke was shown so that would explain the lack of education part on the show. I personally prefer a 4 stage full course rather than the "regional's course" from ANW. I also thought this was the smallest of the Eccholine courses and sadly the worst built out of all of them. Unless they dumped Eccholine, sadly they are stuck with the small course as they aren't going to spend money on the Sasuke 4 stage or even the NBC Vegas size. That's a LOT of money and apparently in the UK they won't pay for the location fees. That's why I preferred things like Vietnam because they actually went with a 4 stage and it looked cool.
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Post by gt4dom on Jul 21, 2015 20:07:13 GMT -5
It's at the same location as last year so I can guarantee there will be no metal spin or Backstream, the venue is simply too small. The course should be very similar as they used the whole arena last time so not much can be added. I just expect some obstacles to be changed eg. Balance bridge/Pipe Slider/Swing Cycle/Chain Swing will change Stage 1. Stage 2 will probably be the same, Doorknob Grasper may change. And Stage 3 will only be 3 obstacles again as thats all the room they have. We have had up to SASUKE 27 on Challenge but that's a tiny channel, just to show TNA Wrestling is their biggest drawing program by a mile ANW 1/2/3 have been showed, as in the US edit with US commentary and I think ANW 4 is gonna be shown soon EDIT: Challenge have been looking to actively buy the rights to show SASUKE 28/29 however apparently the distributor Bellon haven't been able to sell it yet or something on the Challenge forums
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Post by arsenette on Jul 21, 2015 20:58:56 GMT -5
EDIT: Challenge have been looking to actively buy the rights to show SASUKE 28/29 however apparently the distributor Bellon haven't been able to sell it yet or something on the Challenge forums Interesting. Could be because it's the first of the non-Ninja Warrior ones? Are they planning to edit it like Ninja Warrior to keep continuity? Btw.. this should probably be it's own thread...
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Post by gt4dom on Jul 21, 2015 21:30:13 GMT -5
EDIT: Challenge have been looking to actively buy the rights to show SASUKE 28/29 however apparently the distributor Bellon haven't been able to sell it yet or something on the Challenge forums Interesting. Could be because it's the first of the non-Ninja Warrior ones? Are they planning to edit it like Ninja Warrior to keep continuity? Btw.. this should probably be it's own thread... Not sure. SASUKE/ Ninja Warrior has been a good ratings draw for Challenge and they have been trying to buy the rights for 28 onwards since early 2014 apparently. However apparently they buy the American edited footage and then do seperate voice-overs on the top. I assume they couldn't buy the footage yet off the Americans and aren't big enough to edit the whole thing themselves so haven't been able to get it yet. I think a lot of countries TV stations don't want to edit it themselves and just take the US edit, so I think if the US does buy it a lot more countries will follow suit and buy that edited copy. If there was an edited version directly from TBS I could potentially see them buying that, but it would need the english style obstacle images, english style timer, warrior wipeout, ninja killer, promos with music etc which seems too much for TBS to do.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 21, 2015 21:32:24 GMT -5
So they are trying to buy an edit that doesn't exist?
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Post by Not-so innocent Bystander... on Jul 22, 2015 3:50:34 GMT -5
So they are trying to buy an edit that doesn't exist? Yeah, basically they're trapped by legal stuff, as they are inexperienced about buying anything other than the G4 edit. But to be fair, the challenge dub is awful anyway. They remove the Japanese subtitles, Warrior Wipeout and have the most grating announcer ever, that literally speaks through EVERY RUN. And yeah most of that stuff I mentioned came only from the casual viewers of facebook, which lets be honest are more important here as they are the people responsible for ratings. And technically it was a four stage course in the final.... Stages 1 and 2 were basically full sized, but stage 3 was more like stage 2.5, and the tower wasn't as high. Still fun though
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Post by Not-so innocent Bystander... on Jul 22, 2015 4:03:43 GMT -5
IIRC the complaints from articles and Twitter (I didn't follow Facebook) was that the presentation looked like another show (which is never good) so people immediately called it a rip off. The other was the fast that it was so damn small and they thought it was repetitive. The fact that they are repeating it again is sad. Btw is ANW shown in the UK? I know no one else has Sasuke Rising and it's been years really since a new Sasuke was shown so that would explain the lack of education part on the show. I personally prefer a 4 stage full course rather than the "regional's course" from ANW. I also thought this was the smallest of the Eccholine courses and sadly the worst built out of all of them. Unless they dumped Eccholine, sadly they are stuck with the small course as they aren't going to spend money on the Sasuke 4 stage or even the NBC Vegas size. That's a LOT of money and apparently in the UK they won't pay for the location fees. That's why I preferred things like Vietnam because they actually went with a 4 stage and it looked cool. Yeah the problem so much isn't that they won't, just that they cant. In Manchester where I live, there are basically no bigger venues suitable for NWUK, and they can't do it outside because British weather sucks and health and safety wouldn't let people run on a wet course, as they are especially draconian in the UK. Another problem is that ITV, whilst a big TV station here, is not that rich or influential. Building bigger or multiple courses would just be impossible for them, and challenge would never be able to afford to run the show in the first place. Yeah it sucks that the course was small, but i'm confident that the problem with poorly built obstacles will at least be fixed. In fact i'm almost certain they gave stage 2 that impossible time limit of 75 seconds to stop anyone getting to stage 3, because they knew no-one could pass the broken flying bar. Time is also a factor, as all the previous courses must be taken apart to build the final, meaning hasty construction is what caused them to be poorly built. That would also explain why the heats and semi-finals were so much better built. The small course was not Eccholine's fault, as they already maximisedcthe use of the space they had. Manchester central is not that big, trust me. But the course itself looked fine, the obstacles actually looked pretty good, with the ANW style and colour theme. I think the indoor setting gave the "rip off" reaction, and the change in format (five heats, 2 semis, 1 four stage final) also helped. I must admit though, the five heats did get pretty repetitive as they were all quite easy, with only obstacle variants (Like Jump Hang to Jump Hang w/ swing) getting replaced. The space also meant shortening (and therefore nerfing) several obstacles like the Ring Toss and Dancing Stones, which already added to the easier difficulty of the heats. The difficulty did eventually ramp up though, and I still maintain that the stage 2 of the final is one of, if not the most difficult stage 2 ever run, as 75 seconds was ridiculous. Tim Shieff had basically a flawless run and still timed out on Wall Lift :/ I definitely think season 2 has a lot to prove, but I also think they will fix atleast some of the issues, and I don't think people should give up on it. The final in particular, isn't bad, just flawed and/or different... Sorry if I get defensive, it's just my home version of Ninja Warrior, and so i can't hate it...
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Post by arsenette on Jul 22, 2015 4:41:06 GMT -5
Giggles. I remember when this thing was announced last year and everyone was singing Hallelujah for weeks. Still though, even though it's the only version you are allowed to not like certain parts of it. Especially if it's in the pursuit of it surviving long enough to expand to something better. Thanks for the update and yeah there are a LOT of challenges. As for the Ninja Warrior edit.. that's a shame it's so damn complicated. I had my own talk with TBS about the subject and they come up with excuses that make no sense.. basically blaming everyone else but themselves. Now we know why it's still not shown worldwide. TBS is filled with idiots who only work for a paycheck and do as little as possible to earn it.
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Post by Not-so innocent Bystander... on Jul 22, 2015 4:52:02 GMT -5
Giggles. I remember when this thing was announced last year and everyone was singing Hallelujah for weeks. Still though, even though it's the only version you are allowed to not like certain parts of it. Especially if it's in the pursuit of it surviving long enough to expand to something better. Thanks for the update and yeah there are a LOT of challenges. As for the Ninja Warrior edit.. that's a shame it's so damn complicated. I had my own talk with TBS about the subject and they come up with excuses that make no sense.. basically blaming everyone else but themselves. Now we know why it's still not shown worldwide. TBS is filled with idiots who only work for a paycheck and do as little as possible to earn it. I get you Arsenette... It's a shame these things we love are constantly caught in the crossfire between companies lol And yeah I do hope that NWUK grows to be something more, and I hope season 3 (If we get there XD) expands beyond Manchester. I do hope one day this all gets sorted out, and Sasuke 28 and beyond spreads worldwide, as the G4 edit was responsible for building the following the show has today in America, and I would love to see it continue. An English version of 31 in particular would be awesome! Hopefully though, relations will improve, especially since USA vs The World this year is apparently much better and much less BS is thrown to the Japanese. I just try to be optimistic about these things, but for someone like you who has been hear for 6+ years, do these things ever get grating and put you off?
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Post by arsenette on Jul 22, 2015 5:07:34 GMT -5
The politics of it all always infuriate me since last time I checked companies like TBS are there to make money. I cringe when I see their practices then throw their hands in the air and go "oh well people didn't like it".. like it? They didn't even SEE it.. They yell at us for watching "illegally" and I say "that's your fault".. (suddenly they had no comeback for that).. Then I ask why it's not in the USA and they said it's complicated. I mention that it's affecting 150+ countries around the world that are stuck in limbo on 27.. again.. no answer. Sure I get infuriated because I know who is the problem now. NBC who doesn't want competition because EVERYONE wants Sasuke back and it's the #1 question asked to both companies and TBS for not growing a spine and actually forcing them by contract to either find a home in one of the lesser NBC networks, or shopping it around to someone else who cares. Again, they'd rather just complain and do nothing than actually find a solution. Meanwhile worldwide you have Eccholine actively producing rival shows using the ANW name directly fighting against the Sasuke spin offs that Inui is desperately trying to sell on his own dime. That last part blew me away.. all of those Sasuke spin offs TBS didn't do crap for.. Inui did out of FOLCOM. TBS ought to be ashamed but that would expect them to actually care. /rants/tableflips yeah that's me
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Post by Not-so innocent Bystander... on Jul 22, 2015 5:14:02 GMT -5
The politics of it all always infuriate me since last time I checked companies like TBS are there to make money. I cringe when I see their practices then throw their hands in the air and go "oh well people didn't like it".. like it? They didn't even SEE it.. They yell at us for watching "illegally" and I say "that's your fault".. (suddenly they had no comeback for that).. Then I ask why it's not in the USA and they said it's complicated. I mention that it's affecting 150+ countries around the world that are stuck in limbo on 27.. again.. no answer. Sure I get infuriated because I know who is the problem now. NBC who doesn't want competition because EVERYONE wants Sasuke back and it's the #1 question asked to both companies and TBS for not growing a spine and actually forcing them by contract to either find a home in one of the lesser NBC networks, or shopping it around to someone else who cares. Again, they'd rather just complain and do nothing than actually find a solution. Meanwhile worldwide you have Eccholine actively producing rival shows using the ANW name directly fighting against the Sasuke spin offs that Inui is desperately trying to sell on his own dime. That last part blew me away.. all of those Sasuke spin offs TBS didn't do crap for.. Inui did out of FOLCOM. TBS ought to be ashamed but that would expect them to actually care. /rants/tableflips yeah that's me It seems like there is no point even fighting at this point, we just need to sit in limbo whilst this evenually hopefully gets sorted out. I do think the Spin-offs are a good thing though, as I do personally see it as a sport, and so for me any international expansion is good as those interested enough will eventually find Sasuke and learn about how it essentially founded said sport. Eccholine are not the enemy as far as i'm concerned, and I just want any form of ninja warrior in MOAR countries. Yeah but they do need to get there act together in regards to some of the spinoffs though. And I also don't see them as ANW spin offs, even though they technically are. For me, any international version counts as a spin off to Sasuke, but that's just me.
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