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Post by cole77000 on May 31, 2016 17:12:12 GMT -5
I really didn't think they played it up quite as much as you guys seem to imply. It's true though, they were the first women to attempt it. And I thought they did a pretty good job, considering we have seen a handful of worse performances on stage three in the past.
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Post by thebobmaster on May 31, 2016 18:12:59 GMT -5
I really didn't think they played it up quite as much as you guys seem to imply. It's true though, they were the first women to attempt it. And I thought they did a pretty good job, considering we have seen a handful of worse performances on stage three in the past. And most if not all of those Stage 3 performances were after doing stage 1 and 2 the same day, with little rest in-between. That makes a lot of difference. To compare, someone doing 50 push-ups is impressive, but compare that to someone who did 30 after doing 15 pull-ups. Which one is better? That's very hard to determine due to the mitigating factors.
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Post by cole77000 on May 31, 2016 19:05:34 GMT -5
And most if not all of those Stage 3 performances were after doing stage 1 and 2 the same day, with little rest in-between. That makes a lot of difference. To compare, someone doing 50 push-ups is impressive, but compare that to someone who did 30 after doing 15 pull-ups. Which one is better? That's very hard to determine due to the mitigating factors. That's a good point, but both Megan and Jesse did in fact at least run stage 2 earlier that day.
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Post by thebobmaster on May 31, 2016 23:22:31 GMT -5
And most if not all of those Stage 3 performances were after doing stage 1 and 2 the same day, with little rest in-between. That makes a lot of difference. To compare, someone doing 50 push-ups is impressive, but compare that to someone who did 30 after doing 15 pull-ups. Which one is better? That's very hard to determine due to the mitigating factors. That's a good point, but both Megan and Jesse did in fact at least run stage 2 earlier that day. If they did, that does lessen my complaint, although not mitigating entirely. In addition, unless they both cleared Stage 2, it still doesn't seem quite right to say they "were the first women to run Stage 3". I mean, it would be factually correct, but more of a "letter of the law vs. spirit of the law", if you get my meaning.
I realize this comes off as dismissing their achievements, so I'll say one final word on the subject: both Jessie Graff and Meghan Martin are great athletes and competitors, and making it through the Floating Boards is an accomplishment. I simply thought Matt and Akbar were blowing it out of proportion.
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Post by beeeeeees on May 31, 2016 23:38:31 GMT -5
30 pushups after 15 pullups is way easier than 50 pushups (because the two exercises work different muscles). The thing they were saying about the girls was how far they've come, that putting them onto stage 3 isn't silly. The girls got as far an any American had got in the first 3 series of ANW. The did better than many of the men have ever done on that stage. Better than Travis Rosen. Better than Joe Marovsky's first attempt on stage 3. As well as James McGrath's first attempt at stage 3 (in Japan) and better than his second attempt.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 1, 2016 1:42:25 GMT -5
30 pushups after 15 pullups is way easier than 50 pushups (because the two exercises work different muscles). The thing they were saying about the girls was how far they've come, that putting them onto stage 3 isn't silly. The girls got as far an any American had got in the first 3 series of ANW. The did better than many of the men have ever done on that stage. Better than Travis Rosen. Better than Joe Marovsky's first attempt on stage 3. As well as James McGrath's first attempt at stage 3 (in Japan) and better than his second attempt. ... On a version of the UCH with wider ledges, the ability to go straight up on the first section, a smaller distance between the 2nd and 3rd ledges, and with arguably easier obstacles beforehand. Most could argue that the Roulette Cylinder in 25/26 made clearing the UCH near impossible due to how long it took and how much strength in sapped.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 1, 2016 1:48:40 GMT -5
Guys, I wasn't trying to take away from their achievements. Both of their runs impressed me and I finally got an idea of what women are capable of in stage 3. Heck, I think in the future, if they were fresh, they could go farther.
My problem wasn't with them, it was with the runs were edited/commented. Akbar constantly saying stuff like: "3 years ago you would NEVER have seen a woman on stage 3", constant repetition of them handing out "First to clear commendations to Meagan".
But at the end of the day, it was only a half victory for women, because they could've done this 3 years ago if they wanted to. Placing a woman on the starting mat of stage 3 is much different than having earned your way there.
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Post by FallRisk911 on Jun 1, 2016 2:54:01 GMT -5
TV guide app This made me laugh a little. I wonder how many people who have "series record" set for ANW, but didn't know the All-Stars special was even on, that are gonna find this little Easter Egg in their recorded shows list this week?? I was upset I didn't make it home in time to record it, only to find (miraculously) that my DVR recorded it automatically!
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Post by FallRisk911 on Jun 1, 2016 3:05:16 GMT -5
I should make a tweet about it. I could be like ANW Santa Claus
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Post by marsllama on Jun 1, 2016 3:27:50 GMT -5
It feels a little too much like NBC are going out of their way to show they're not sexist. A woman WILL reach stage 3 legitimately in the next three seasons, he only difference being they'll say "The only woman to attempt stage 3.... In the regular season". Also, it could be argued that they had an advantage having not just come from stages 1 and 2. They did well but, gender aside, I really don't think Meghan is a better athlete than Kevin Bull or Travis Rosen just because she went farther on Stage 3. She's good, sure, very good, better than most men. But we may never know if being fresh for stage 3 affected their performance (I know she did stage 2 but I assume they didn't get too far if it wasn't aired. Had they cleared I'm convinced it would've been aired. I really don't have the time right now to do the usual rewriting to remove anything that could be considered sexist when writing about this topic so please don't read too much into my language looking for misogyny because it isn't there.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 1, 2016 4:12:26 GMT -5
It feels a little too much like NBC are going out of their way to show they're not sexist. A woman WILL reach stage 3 legitimately in the next three seasons, he only difference being they'll say "The only woman to attempt stage 3.... In the regular season". Also, it could be argued that they had an advantage having not just come from stages 1 and 2. They did well but, gender aside, I really don't think Meghan is a better athlete than Kevin Bull or Travis Rosen just because she went farther on Stage 3. She's good, sure, very good, better than most men. But we may never know if being fresh for stage 3 affected their performance (I know she did stage 2 but I assume they didn't get too far if it wasn't aired. Had they cleared I'm convinced it would've been aired. I really don't have the time right now to do the usual rewriting to remove anything that could be considered sexist when writing about this topic so please don't read too much into my language looking for misogyny because it isn't there. ******** you sexist pig. You just couldn't help yourself, could you? This is obviously the product of internalised misogyny.
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Post by c0balt on Jun 1, 2016 5:20:06 GMT -5
Not really spoilers because wasn't aired, both girls fell on the floating boards not much after that to zap strength on stage 2 honestly and they both got to warped wall night before AND were running stage 1 for pictures over and over as people were running stage 2 so they were not more rested than a regular competitor for stage 3.
I do agree they make way too big a deal out of it though with their first this and first that. Anyway I predict at least 1 Jessie Graff/Lebrec will clear stage 1 this year if not both and depending on how insane they make stage 2 and 3 (they don't want anyone to win this year) maybe even a stage 2 female clear (I don't think Megan can clear in Vegas due to time limit).
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 1, 2016 6:54:38 GMT -5
Not really spoilers because wasn't aired, both girls fell on the floating boards not much after that to zap strength on stage 2 honestly and they both got to warped wall night before AND were running stage 1 for pictures over and over as people were running stage 2 so they were not more rested than a regular competitor for stage 3. I do agree they make way too big a deal out of it though with their first this and first that. Anyway I predict at least 1 Jessie Graff/Lebrec will clear stage 1 this year if not both and depending on how insane they make stage 2 and 3 (they don't want anyone to win this year) maybe even a stage 2 female clear (I don't think Megan can clear in Vegas due to time limit). The time reason in my opinion is why we will likely not see a 1st stage clear from a woman for a long time. Look at all the best female performances from last season. Even if Jessie/Meagan had cleared the WW, their time likely would've run out before they could've reached the button. Meagan in particular was never going to make it. I doubt any will clear in season 8 though, simply because it took 4 seasons for them to be accustomed enough to stage 1 to reach the wall. If stage 1 is revitalised almost entirely in Vegas, there will be too many new hazards stacked against them IMO.
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Post by DonalM on Jun 1, 2016 10:49:04 GMT -5
Not really spoilers because wasn't aired, both girls fell on the floating boards not much after that to zap strength on stage 2 honestly and they both got to warped wall night before AND were running stage 1 for pictures over and over as people were running stage 2 so they were not more rested than a regular competitor for stage 3. I do agree they make way too big a deal out of it though with their first this and first that. Anyway I predict at least 1 Jessie Graff/Lebrec will clear stage 1 this year if not both and depending on how insane they make stage 2 and 3 (they don't want anyone to win this year) maybe even a stage 2 female clear (I don't think Megan can clear in Vegas due to time limit). You mean the Unstable Bridge?
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Post by TCM on Jun 1, 2016 12:00:42 GMT -5
Watch the language.
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Post by Eclipse on Jun 1, 2016 20:20:23 GMT -5
Thoughts run-down: - Out of the whole team, why choose Lance for the climb off? - Monkey Peg wall was cool, although I wonder if the safety line actually held them up a bit? Wish Geoff had done that one - Super Shelf was awesome. Silly Drew almost hitting his face every time. Meaghan looked like she had a blast which was nice - That warped wall was pretty sketch. The top was less angled, and having ledges to lock you hands/feet on partway up is totally broken. Rahn got out because he wasn't using them like Flip & Joe. For those who didn't notice them, the grey added segments with the lights had an approximately 1/2 inch ledge on them. It's especially noticable from the top down shots.
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Post by TCM on Jun 2, 2016 1:34:38 GMT -5
I don't understand the reasoning behind mentioning 'Oh, but the women didn't have two stages to deal with earlier' and not mentioning neither did the guys that night. It was filmed two days after Vegas and in the team competition, Joe was the only person who got to Stage 3 in Vegas. I don't see comments on Flip being on Stage 3 or Stage 4 (where if he was a little bit faster, he would have beaten the 30 second time limit) when he never did prior to that night either. ANW 7 was his best result. JJ also never attempted Stage 3 prior to that night. Isaac won the damn thing while Drew only reached the Hang Climbing. By that logic, Drew wasn't as tired as Isaac should have been and thus co-winning the Supersonic Shelf Grab should have an asterisk. Also, Drew never had to face the Shelf Grab his region. But that would be seen as ridiculous, right? And way back last season, they barely mentioned the fact that Brian cleared Stage 3 during USA vs. The World when Stage 3 happened in Vegas. They were all about Isaac and Geoff being the first two clears.
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Post by c0balt on Jun 2, 2016 2:09:24 GMT -5
Not really spoilers because wasn't aired, both girls fell on the floating boards not much after that to zap strength on stage 2 honestly and they both got to warped wall night before AND were running stage 1 for pictures over and over as people were running stage 2 so they were not more rested than a regular competitor for stage 3. I do agree they make way too big a deal out of it though with their first this and first that. Anyway I predict at least 1 Jessie Graff/Lebrec will clear stage 1 this year if not both and depending on how insane they make stage 2 and 3 (they don't want anyone to win this year) maybe even a stage 2 female clear (I don't think Megan can clear in Vegas due to time limit). The time reason in my opinion is why we will likely not see a 1st stage clear from a woman for a long time. Look at all the best female performances from last season. Even if Jessie/Meagan had cleared the WW, their time likely would've run out before they could've reached the button. Meagan in particular was never going to make it. I doubt any will clear in season 8 though, simply because it took 4 seasons for them to be accustomed enough to stage 1 to reach the wall. If stage 1 is revitalised almost entirely in Vegas, there will be too many new hazards stacked against them IMO. Jessie had time to finish, Megan did not. Also Jessie had a fractured hip in vegas and still did stage 2, 3 and challenge obstacles. Graff and Lebrec both are fast enough to clear vegas.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 2, 2016 3:05:05 GMT -5
The time reason in my opinion is why we will likely not see a 1st stage clear from a woman for a long time. Look at all the best female performances from last season. Even if Jessie/Meagan had cleared the WW, their time likely would've run out before they could've reached the button. Meagan in particular was never going to make it. I doubt any will clear in season 8 though, simply because it took 4 seasons for them to be accustomed enough to stage 1 to reach the wall. If stage 1 is revitalised almost entirely in Vegas, there will be too many new hazards stacked against them IMO. Jessie had time to finish, Megan did not. Also Jessie had a fractured hip in vegas and still did stage 2, 3 and challenge obstacles. Graff and Lebrec both are fast enough to clear vegas. If Vegas really is as upgraded as they make it out to be, then time will be the last thing on anyone's mind. We are assuming many people will even SURVIVE to the button. Honestly, we'll just have to wait and see...
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Post by kangaroo on Jun 2, 2016 14:15:31 GMT -5
The time reason in my opinion is why we will likely not see a 1st stage clear from a woman for a long time. Look at all the best female performances from last season. Even if Jessie/Meagan had cleared the WW, their time likely would've run out before they could've reached the button. Meagan in particular was never going to make it. I doubt any will clear in season 8 though, simply because it took 4 seasons for them to be accustomed enough to stage 1 to reach the wall. If stage 1 is revitalised almost entirely in Vegas, there will be too many new hazards stacked against them IMO. Jessie had time to finish, Megan did not. Also Jessie had a fractured hip in vegas and still did stage 2, 3 and challenge obstacles. Graff and Lebrec both are fast enough to clear vegas. I really do not see Meagan clearing stage 1 ever. She moves at a snails pace and when then when she does reach the WW she always looks winded and has no time left on the clock. Just going by what I seen the last two years I would give Graff the best chance at stage 1.
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