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Post by arsenette on Sept 19, 2015 14:54:41 GMT -5
Inui knows of the 2 champions, the money (which he mentioned is an amazingly absurd amount of money LOL) but not sure of the controversy. He unfortunately doesn't have any control over the foreign invites. TBS International has always and will always be the arbiter of that. If they go back to NBC to ask for invites, the invites would be directly from NBC and not TBS. That was the problem when G4 was around and nothing leads me to believe it won't be again if NBC gets involved. TBS will also take the least political so my thought is that since Isaac mentioned he wanted to go and NBC is backing him as the only winner, it would be Isaac going to Japan. That's even if NBC will send ANYONE to Japan. IMO obviously but based on previous history and current reading of the situation. Right now still, we don't even know if Sasuke 32 has been okayed. Meeting hasn't happened yet.
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Post by lhii789 on Sept 19, 2015 15:17:51 GMT -5
Inui knows of the 2 champions, the money (which he mentioned is an amazingly absurd amount of money LOL) but not sure of the controversy. He unfortunately doesn't have any control over the foreign invites. TBS International has always and will always be the arbiter of that. If they go back to NBC to ask for invites, the invites would be directly from NBC and not TBS. That was the problem when G4 was around and nothing leads me to believe it won't be again if NBC gets involved. TBS will also take the least political so my thought is that since Isaac mentioned he wanted to go and NBC is backing him as the only winner, it would be Isaac going to Japan. That's even if NBC will send ANYONE to Japan. IMO obviously but based on previous history and current reading of the situation. Right now still, we don't even know if Sasuke 32 has been okayed. Meeting hasn't happened yet. I'm pretty sure Isaac would get to go for SASUKE 32, due to all the hypes and news. This won't be like SASUKE RISING (28) situation, where NBC send two random guys from ANW4 (Will and Josh), instead of sending veterans competitors like David or Brent. I'm worried about Geoff though; despite co-champion (or FIRST champion), he may not get invite due, which would really suck.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 19, 2015 15:24:15 GMT -5
I'm not as sure though.. because what message would that give to fans? It's okay that we send our guys over there but you aren't privileged to watch it on TV? Unless they are carrying Sasuke Rising HERE in the USA.. it wouldn't be in their best interest to send ANYONE to Japan. Unless they want to promote piracy...
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Post by gt4dom on Sept 19, 2015 15:30:28 GMT -5
Inui knows of the 2 champions, the money (which he mentioned is an amazingly absurd amount of money LOL) but not sure of the controversy. He unfortunately doesn't have any control over the foreign invites. TBS International has always and will always be the arbiter of that. If they go back to NBC to ask for invites, the invites would be directly from NBC and not TBS. That was the problem when G4 was around and nothing leads me to believe it won't be again if NBC gets involved. TBS will also take the least political so my thought is that since Isaac mentioned he wanted to go and NBC is backing him as the only winner, it would be Isaac going to Japan. That's even if NBC will send ANYONE to Japan. IMO obviously but based on previous history and current reading of the situation. Right now still, we don't even know if Sasuke 32 has been okayed. Meeting hasn't happened yet. Well if it's up to NBC... "And at Number 92, Kacy Catanzaruru!"
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Post by Amber on Sept 19, 2015 15:44:11 GMT -5
Inui knows of the 2 champions, the money (which he mentioned is an amazingly absurd amount of money LOL) but not sure of the controversy. He unfortunately doesn't have any control over the foreign invites. TBS International has always and will always be the arbiter of that. If they go back to NBC to ask for invites, the invites would be directly from NBC and not TBS. That was the problem when G4 was around and nothing leads me to believe it won't be again if NBC gets involved. TBS will also take the least political so my thought is that since Isaac mentioned he wanted to go and NBC is backing him as the only winner, it would be Isaac going to Japan. That's even if NBC will send ANYONE to Japan. IMO obviously but based on previous history and current reading of the situation. Right now still, we don't even know if Sasuke 32 has been okayed. Meeting hasn't happened yet. Well if it's up to NBC... "And at Number 92, Kacy Catanzaruru!" They probably woulda put her in 31 if they would of put her in
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Post by lhii789 on Sept 19, 2015 15:48:25 GMT -5
I'm not as sure though.. because what message would that give to fans? It's okay that we send our guys over there but you aren't privileged to watch it on TV? Unless they are carrying Sasuke Rising HERE in the USA.. it wouldn't be in their best interest to send ANYONE to Japan. Unless they want to promote piracy... Well, SASUKE footage (28 and beyond) has been shown, ever since USA vs World was introduced in ANW5; despite NBC never paid for it. It's done last time (ANW6), so I wouldn't be surprised that 30~31 clips will be shown as well in upcoming special. If Isaac did well in SASUKE 32 (Stage 3) and ANW8 (Stage 3; possibly fail at new cliffhanger), I'm willing to bet NBC would mix up the results for ANW8 USA vs World, thus confusing the viewers once again. I'm willing to bet Matt would say "Isaac has been to Stage 3, 3 times (ANW7, SASUKE 32*, ANW8) in a ROW in MOUNT Midoriyama. yada yada yada..." or something. lol
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Post by arsenette on Sept 19, 2015 16:10:02 GMT -5
I'm not as sure though.. because what message would that give to fans? It's okay that we send our guys over there but you aren't privileged to watch it on TV? Unless they are carrying Sasuke Rising HERE in the USA.. it wouldn't be in their best interest to send ANYONE to Japan. Unless they want to promote piracy... Well, SASUKE footage (28 and beyond) has been shown, ever since USA vs World was introduced in ANW5; despite NBC never paid for it. It's done last time (ANW6), so I wouldn't be surprised that 30~31 clips will be shown as well in upcoming special. If Isaac did well in SASUKE 32 (Stage 3) and ANW8 (Stage 3; possibly fail at new cliffhanger), I'm willing to bet NBC would mix up the results for ANW8 USA vs World, thus confusing the viewers once again. I'm willing to bet Matt would say "Isaac has been to Stage 3, 3 times (ANW7, SASUKE 32*, ANW8) in a ROW in MOUNT Midoriyama. yada yada yada..." or something. lol However, Drew was not an NBC invite.. so none of that qualifies. If NBC is involved you bet your a** that they will try to take over.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Sept 19, 2015 16:18:34 GMT -5
Honestly, this all just comes down to NBC's own stupidity.
They decide to include an interview during the broadcast that has Geoff say he's the first American Ninja Warrior right after he achieved total victory. He clearly held emphasis on the point of him being "first".
Then Isaac wins. He gets the money and trophy. That is fine. I have a ton of respect for Geoff, but the rule has always been the money goes to the farthest the fastest, and that's what happened. Do I think it should be that way? Eh, maybe there should be a secondary prize for him, but as far as the rules go, at least NBC is being consistent with what G4 mapped out since Day 1.
So here is where the problem lies. There are two arguments: Isaac says "well someone had to go first", so he's saying there really is no "first" American Ninja Warrior. I see his point here. Where he is wrong is when he says only he deserves a title. No. Both men did it, just one gets the title of winner and should be known as the WINNER of American Ninja Warrior, while both men are American Ninja Warriors. Geoff had multiple ideas; however, I strongly believe what I'm going to say later on in this message is how the ending to this season should had been worded and viewed as.
Now this is how NBC are dumb. They ended the broadcast in the most ambiguous way possible. They should had not included the Geoff clip of him saying he was the first, ESPECIALLY after the internet starts calling Isaac the first American Ninja Warrior (This title implies not the first winner of the show, but the first to do it, which was technically Geoff, but it's best to not even point out this technicality. As Isaac said, someone had to be first. They are both the first American Ninja Warriors) NBC SHOULD HAD ended the broadcast stating Geoff and and Isaac are both American Ninja Warriors, and the first to be such. Isaac is the first American Ninja Warrior WINNER. Had they said that, there would be no ambiguity to argue over. That is how the wording should had gone down, mostly so internet articles and fans of the show would know how to refer to each of the two men as. And good luck to them to now fixing that now that the season hype is over. Absolute stupidity.
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Post by supremekai on Sept 19, 2015 16:20:49 GMT -5
I'm not as sure though.. because what message would that give to fans? It's okay that we send our guys over there but you aren't privileged to watch it on TV? Unless they are carrying Sasuke Rising HERE in the USA.. it wouldn't be in their best interest to send ANYONE to Japan. Unless they want to promote piracy... I think this question will be answered in ANW vs World. Also I think anybody who makes stage 3 should get an automatic invite to Vegas in future tournaments.
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Post by thatoneuser on Sept 19, 2015 19:21:19 GMT -5
There is one winner: Isaac Caldiero.
There are two champions: Isaac Caldiero and Geoff Britten.
The media and the casual fans do not care about SASUKE as a sport. Joe Schmo who's never seen the show doesn't want a lecture about the history of SASUKE in Japan, nor does he care. In his eyes, he wants a winner. We are built on a culture of winners and losers. Argue about the philosophy of our culture if you want, but America wants a winner and Isaac was the winner. This is the exact reason that Kacy Catanzaro was not "the second woman to beat the Warped Wall after a woman in Japan that none of you have ever heard of timed out at the top of the Warped Wall in the SASUKE 13 trials in 2004 that wasn't even a real competition". We've spent the last seven years bitching about NBC's revisionist history and I've had the exact same answer every time: American Ninja Warrior is not a sport. American Ninja Warrior is a television show. (For the record, if ANW was a sport, they wouldn't need to ask TBS for permission in the same way I don't have to ask the NFL for permission to play football.) If this were NASCAR on ESPN, Isaac and Geoff would both be winners and this would all be irrelevant. ANW is not SASUKE. It will never be SASUKE, and neither NBC nor TBS want ANW to be SASUKE.
And really, don't be so hard on Isaac. He's probably never even seen SASUKE before (which for the record is totally OK). If anything, his interest in competing in Japan should show that he cares about the show's history and ANW's integrity as a "sport" (which it isn't).
EDIT: Because I know this is coming, I'm not bitter or angry. I'm not even calling out anyone in particular. Rather, my motive is to ease down the hostility toward Isaac and to the format as a whole.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 19, 2015 20:00:42 GMT -5
Some people have held disdain towards Isaac before Vegas and before this tournament.
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Post by thatoneuser on Sept 19, 2015 20:09:49 GMT -5
Some people have held disdain towards Isaac before Vegas and before this tournament. I was referring more toward the people that didn't previously bear ill toward him and do now because of this article. If there's a prior experience shaping your opinion of Isaac, that's your prerogative and it's completely fair. I have nothing against him. He's never done anything to me. I've never even met the guy.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 19, 2015 22:51:18 GMT -5
Some people have held disdain towards Isaac before Vegas and before this tournament. I was referring more toward the people that didn't previously bear ill toward him and do now because of this article. If there's a prior experience shaping your opinion of Isaac, that's your prerogative and it's completely fair. I have nothing against him. He's never done anything to me. I've never even met the guy. Also fair. I have met him, twice. I actually thought he was decent back when he was the walk-on dressed like Jesus that nobody knew.
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Post by Madze on Sept 19, 2015 23:25:44 GMT -5
And thanks all! Here is how I feel about it. I was the first person to have a perfect season. I was first in stage 4 ( all this talk of Isaac getting to pick where he ran stage 4 is complete news to me, I have no idea if he did or didn't. I was shocked to hear that on the show) and he was much faster than me on 4, and wins it all. Kudos to him, he was amazingly strong all through Vegas and deserves it. Co champions, and I know that's how matt feels about it. WOW. You are the most humble ANW compititor i have ever seen. I have been on the show fir a very long time and i haven't seen a compititor who is as humble as you. Dude, Kudos to YOU!!
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Post by peterpack on Sept 19, 2015 23:39:08 GMT -5
Yeah it is a TV show and as much as we are bagging NBC for their handling of the situation and as much as i personally bag them for wasting a total of maybe 12-15 minutes airtime on the one guy's backstory (the guy whose relatives died) when they could have showed more runs, without NBC, ninja warrior in the US would have died a death
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Post by arsenette on Sept 19, 2015 23:59:01 GMT -5
without NBC, ninja warrior in the US would have died a death You mean ANW? Because NW already died. LOL
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Post by YGK on Sept 20, 2015 4:33:36 GMT -5
TBS will also take the least political so my thought is that since Isaac mentioned he wanted to go and NBC is backing him as the only winner, it would be Isaac going to Japan. That's even if NBC will send ANYONE to Japan. If any of the above happens, I actually think Isaac may tone it down in Japan and we won't see any of the arrogance/showing off on ANW that has rubbed many of us the wrong way. Especially since SASUKE is unchartered territory for Isaac. I think much of the backlash/hostility at Isaac stems from the expectations we hold towards competitors on sasuke/anw. Of course, who's to stop them from acting however they choose, but like I said before, it doesn't stop us from discussing about it, as we have been doing for the past x number of pages. As arsenette said to Moravsky, "Get used to the fact that when you get on International television that people will form opinions of you based on your actions and how you present yourself." I still hope Geoff gets a berth in Japan. But ultimately, not my decision to make so it's all wishful thinking.
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Post by evan on Sept 20, 2015 8:43:29 GMT -5
You climb the tower in under 30 seconds you become an American Ninja warrior. If it were that only one could win per season don't put a time limit on stage four and just make the fastest the winner. and I thought if you got to compete you are already a ninja warrior .what are the competitors then? just ninjas? lol. The title should have been "the king of all ninjas" or something given the history of anw I think that they didn't expect two people to finish stage 4.
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Post by Amber on Sept 20, 2015 9:05:11 GMT -5
I'm just saying, if Isaac went first and cleared with 3 seconds left, would the time limit for Geoff had been 27 seconds?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 20, 2015 10:24:53 GMT -5
I'm just saying, if Isaac went first and cleared with 3 seconds left, would the time limit for Geoff had been 27 seconds? Nope
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