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Post by arsenette on Sept 18, 2015 18:36:11 GMT -5
Isaac came out today in an interview stating that he is the first American ninja warrior, and winner, and that he thinks only he deserves any title... Classy. My feelings shifted a bit towards him after reading this. Britten also proposed an alternative, inspired by the Japanese show "Sasuke," on which "American Ninja Warrior" is based. "In Japan, if two people beat the final stage they consider them co-champions and they get an equal prize, but here in America we have to have a winner." However, Caldiero does not think there is anything to dispute. "There is no distinction, it’s the same title," Caldiero told IBT. "There are pictures of me holding the trophy that says I’m the first American Ninja Warrior. I guess they are trying to give him a moment too but as far as the rules go, there is one title. It’s an all or nothing deal." Yeah.. that was a totally classless move. Just read the entire article (phenomenally written btw). I can't even..
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Post by greenday61892 on Sept 18, 2015 20:41:05 GMT -5
Isaac came out today in an interview stating that he is the first American ninja warrior, and winner, and that he thinks only he deserves any title... Classy. My feelings shifted a bit towards him after reading this. Britten also proposed an alternative, inspired by the Japanese show "Sasuke," on which "American Ninja Warrior" is based. "In Japan, if two people beat the final stage they consider them co-champions and they get an equal prize, but here in America we have to have a winner." However, Caldiero does not think there is anything to dispute. "There is no distinction, it’s the same title," Caldiero told IBT. "There are pictures of me holding the trophy that says I’m the first American Ninja Warrior. I guess they are trying to give him a moment too but as far as the rules go, there is one title. It’s an all or nothing deal." Wow, that's total horses**t. You deserve better than that. He can say whatever he wants though, doesn't change that you still tore up that course just as he did and hit all 6 buzzers. Edit: because apparently the word filter doesn't catch HS the same way it does BS
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Post by Badalight on Sept 18, 2015 21:41:52 GMT -5
I'm not surprised honestly. I posted in the KC thread months ago that Isaac was an extremely cocky guy when I met him.
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Post by lostinube on Sept 18, 2015 22:07:18 GMT -5
From the article:
Bleh.
Also:
Using the word lost as opposed to fail indicates that the title is something to win.
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Post by brockriebe6 on Sept 18, 2015 22:12:38 GMT -5
Also I just saw on Isaacs instagram in his bio it says "The first American Ninja Warrior".
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Post by StrykerX7 on Sept 18, 2015 22:54:22 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't think there should be any distinction made on which one of them was "first" since both Geoff and Isaac completed the course in the same season. As much as I disagree with Isaac's claim that only he deserves the title, he makes a good point in saying that "someone had to go first". They was no other way for it to happen. Because of that, Geoff and Isaac should both be referred to as the first American Ninja Warriors rather than calling one of them "first" and the other "second".
As for Isaac claiming that only he deserves the title, that's BS. He seems to equate "winning the grand prize" with "being an American Ninja Warrior", but that obviously isn't the case. He also says "rules are rules", but anyone capable of critical thinking would be able to see that NBC made a huge mistake with the rules as a result of their lack of foresight (and/or greediness).
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Post by Badalight on Sept 18, 2015 23:43:34 GMT -5
Like, this is the same guy that stops mid-obstacle to pose for the crowd. People always got in a tiffy when Levi did that (albeit that was on a timed course) but still, I find it disrespectful to other competitors for him to do it. (He did it on the morning show while climbing the rope as well).
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 19, 2015 0:03:39 GMT -5
I never once liked showboating... that's really rubbing salt in the wound of someone who failed in a bad way... At least IMO
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Post by arsenette on Sept 19, 2015 0:18:47 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't think there should be any distinction made on which one of them was "first" since both Geoff and Isaac completed the course in the same season. As much as I disagree with Isaac's claim that only he deserves the title, he makes a good point in saying that "someone had to go first". They was no other way for it to happen. Because of that, Geoff and Isaac should both be referred to as the first American Ninja Warrior s rather than calling one of them "first" and the other "second". As for Isaac claiming that only he deserves the title, that's BS. He seems to equate "winning the grand prize" with "being an American Ninja Warrior", but that obviously isn't the case. He also says "rules are rules", but anyone capable of critical thinking would be able to see that NBC made a huge mistake with the rules as a result of their lack of foresight (and/or greediness). When looking at parallel examples of things that happened in the past, this reminds me of the Yamada/Akiyama feud from Banzuke that stacked hatred towards Yamada 20 years ago and caused the rift with Akiyama and Yamada to boil over for years. Both situations are similar where a situation with a tie that was not properly handled, left to the competitor (in this case Isaac and Yamada) to make the judgement call causing a rift within the community. Both situations had the common denominator of NOT removing the competitor from the equation and causing a dual controversy: controversy with the competitors as sportsman and of course the antiquated rules they never expected to use. TBS caved to Yamada in that incident causing the hate to pile on Yamada but still giving him the victory. This case is where Isaac states that the rules were clear and he won and everyone should stfu when the producer himself goes on record to apologize because they never expected a scenario like that to happen at all. That leads me to believe that if they accurately pictured a scenerio like that to happen, they would have done something different. As such, they plan to change the rules next year to avoid conflict. If the rules were perfect and everyone was okay with it, they why the public apology and promise to change the rule for future? There was a problem with how they handled their first set of victories. It's obvious how they were not equipped for that eventuality and Geoff sadly got the short end of the stick. I'm just happy Geoff is being a sportsman and staying above the fray.. a place Isaac apparently seems comfortable diving down into.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Sept 19, 2015 3:38:21 GMT -5
I don't blame NBC for any of this. NO ONE could have predicted even a final stage appearance, let alone two consecutive total victories. They handled it badly, and Geoff deserves some compensation and the title of American Ninja Warrior, but what were they meant to do when put on their toes like that?
The problem was that the final stage was too easy. They didn't factor in that the taller americans are probably going to be better at climbing the rope, as evidenced by Isaac, whose speed was pretty much unparelled by anyone in Japan.
If in season 8, nothing changes in terms of the ruling, then we have a right to complain. But right now, NBC are stuck between a rock and a hard place, and the fairest thing WE can do is simply wait to see if they change their ways...
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Post by arsenette on Sept 19, 2015 4:17:15 GMT -5
The problem is that that rule is not new. Many events in the past have used that rule to a lot of controversy (even within ANW in team events). It's not even that the rule was there, it was that after they realized it was a problem, nothing was done to correct it. Unlike an Olympic/World Sport, you CAN amend things after the fact. We'll see if they do anything in the up coming 2 specials (vs. World and the ANW All-Stars). My HOPE is that they do something small, even if it is to name them BOTH champion like they would in any other sport and any other event. That part was never communicated to the audience who is not privy to the event. It just looks bad. They have a couple months (I presume since they haven't announced anything yet) but given that Geoff doesn't even know (and it happened to him..) then it seems NBC is just going to walk away. No changes would be made if people kept silent and this is the point of a protest. They need to know that wasn't cool (we're not even getting into the Isaac quote which was .. bad..) and something needs to be fixed for THIS season. When the majority of the news articles are on how badly NBC handled this.. something has to give. Otherwise the show will be considered a joke and no one will care. That's not good for the longevity of the show.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Sept 19, 2015 6:21:46 GMT -5
The problem is that that rule is not new. Many events in the past have used that rule to a lot of controversy (even within ANW in team events). It's not even that the rule was there, it was that after they realized it was a problem, nothing was done to correct it. Unlike an Olympic/World Sport, you CAN amend things after the fact. We'll see if they do anything in the up coming 2 specials (vs. World and the ANW All-Stars). My HOPE is that they do something small, even if it is to name them BOTH champion like they would in any other sport and any other event. That part was never communicated to the audience who is not privy to the event. It just looks bad. They have a couple months (I presume since they haven't announced anything yet) but given that Geoff doesn't even know (and it happened to him..) then it seems NBC is just going to walk away. No changes would be made if people kept silent and this is the point of a protest. They need to know that wasn't cool (we're not even getting into the Isaac quote which was .. bad..) and something needs to be fixed for THIS season. When the majority of the news articles are on how badly NBC handled this.. something has to give. Otherwise the show will be considered a joke and no one will care. That's not good for the longevity of the show. I completely agree. NBC needs to patch things up with Geoff ASAP, either in USA vs The World, All-Star special or in a seperate announcement. It looks like they will change the ruling though, based on the responses from representatives. Isaac is completely in the wrong, and to be fair, a dad with a family needs money more than a 10k a year rock climber anyway. They'll probably try to do something to patch it up... They have to.
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Post by peterpack on Sept 19, 2015 7:09:32 GMT -5
I consider both Geoff and Issac the first American Ninja Warriors which is why i strongly feel they both need to be rewarded. Splitting the prize money really was the right way to go
The fact Geoff technically did it first really was because issac chose to go second
Issac does come accross like a cocky sob, but that can also be the media pressure and how they spin things
As others have said, NBC still has time to do right by Geoff and let's hope they do the right thing
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Post by Amber on Sept 19, 2015 7:51:12 GMT -5
Aaaanndd there goes the rest of my respect for Isaac
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Post by gt4dom on Sept 19, 2015 8:58:47 GMT -5
And so the tweener Isaac turns heel and as a result completely screws over ANW as they now can't build their programme around a douche who the crowd dont like. I guarantee if Isaac lost he would not have this attitude, it is a credit to Geoff that he has taken this so well.
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Post by Philip on Sept 19, 2015 9:09:27 GMT -5
Dammit Isaac.... I mean he was always cocky with his antics on the course but SERIOUSLY ISAAC?!?
Whether Isaac likes it or not, Geoff was the first person to win. My heart sunk when they only had Isaac holding up the trophy.
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Post by kid0h on Sept 19, 2015 9:34:44 GMT -5
I don't blame NBC for any of this. NO ONE could have predicted even a final stage appearance, let alone two consecutive total victories. They handled it badly, and Geoff deserves some compensation and the title of American Ninja Warrior, but what were they meant to do when put on their toes like that? The problem was that the final stage was too easy. They didn't factor in that the taller americans are probably going to be better at climbing the rope, as evidenced by Isaac, whose speed was pretty much unparelled by anyone in Japan. If in season 8, nothing changes in terms of the ruling, then we have a right to complain. But right now, NBC are stuck between a rock and a hard place, and the fairest thing WE can do is simply wait to see if they change their ways... I wouldn't say stage 4 was too easy, they set the time at 30 seconds and their best ATS tester finished in 45 seconds. When I was there watching it I thought it was unfair for 30 seconds, and didn't think either could do it from the long night and grueling courses. The fact both Isaac and Geoff practiced the climb is what made it "easier" but I know if you ask either of them if it was easy they would laugh.
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Post by knorikus on Sept 19, 2015 9:51:08 GMT -5
I don't blame NBC for any of this. NO ONE could have predicted even a final stage appearance, let alone two consecutive total victories. They handled it badly, and Geoff deserves some compensation and the title of American Ninja Warrior, but what were they meant to do when put on their toes like that? The problem was that the final stage was too easy. They didn't factor in that the taller americans are probably going to be better at climbing the rope, as evidenced by Isaac, whose speed was pretty much unparelled by anyone in Japan. If in season 8, nothing changes in terms of the ruling, then we have a right to complain. But right now, NBC are stuck between a rock and a hard place, and the fairest thing WE can do is simply wait to see if they change their ways... I wouldn't say stage 4 was too easy, they set the time at 30 seconds and their best ATS tester finished in 45 seconds. When I was there watching it I thought it was unfair for 30 seconds, and didn't think either could do it from the long night and grueling courses. The fact both Isaac and Geoff practiced the climb is what made it "easier" but I know if you ask either of them if it was easy they would laugh. I would even say the Japanese would have the advantage of being lighter.
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Post by YGK on Sept 19, 2015 12:23:48 GMT -5
Firstly, I wonder what inui thinks of this fiasco. I honestly have no idea how he would react to this is he saw this.
Secondly, I'm amazed how Isaac in one fell swoop just went against the principles that we hold so highly in sasuke and hopefully in anw. (Man against course not man against man, and to a large degree the mutual support) and made himself look like such an a**. I'd be happy to see Geoff on sasuke if tbs makes it happen and I think everyone (fellow competitors, fans in japan and everywhere else) would love him. I can't say the same for Isaac.
I think what struck me as much was the last part on compensation. Firstly, the whole situation implicitly indicates nbc's position, unless they announce otherwise later this year. Geoff's not getting anything from nbc and he cleared everything, so why should the others? Furthermore what joe said about 'feeling like you trained and put in that work for nothing when you fall in the water, I don't necessarily think it rings true for everyone. I'm trying to make sense of it all given I haven't seen anything about compensation anywhere near sasuke. And I definitely understand anw isn't sasuke, but ultimately I think compensation takes away from the concept of the course. Like arsenette and maybe a few others said, 'you fall in the water, you get nothing' and I agree and stand by it.
Feel free to let me know what you think about it.
Finally I just want to say biggest congratulations to Geoff. Like kendrick lamar said, 'when s*** hit the fan, is you still a fan?'. And so I say 'yes'.
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Post by gt4dom on Sept 19, 2015 13:03:54 GMT -5
Bit off topic but I really hope we can all somehow pursuade Inui to take Geoff over Isaac to Sasuke if the plan is to take an ANW winner over for 32 (I have no idea if this is the plan btw). Someone who craps on all of SASUKE's values doesnt deserve one of the prized places in SASUKE, and also I think it would be a really nice gesture for Geoff Also despite all the shenanigans this has been my favourite ANW tournament since ANW3 (especially the obstacles in finals, they were quite innovative and not trolly like the last couple of seasons) and I hope everyone boos Isaac next season because he deserves it!!!
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