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Post by arsenette on Aug 5, 2015 15:30:14 GMT -5
I think you need a different word.. "overrated" shouldn't EVER apply to the 2 time champion of a show that only has 4 champions in 18 years.. just.. don't.
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Post by Miko on Aug 5, 2015 15:38:14 GMT -5
Yuuji is overrated. End of discussion. Oh, and also, i have met this guy. I wish i wouldn't.
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Post by Amber on Aug 5, 2015 15:41:22 GMT -5
So a simple opinion leads you into just dropping down flat-out insults... smh...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 20:46:56 GMT -5
Yuuji is overrated. End of discussion. Oh, and also, i have met this guy. I wish i wouldn't. RATIONAL IRRITATION!!! You're just attacking him without a point at this rate.
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Post by Philip on Aug 5, 2015 21:52:13 GMT -5
Yuuji is overrated to an extent but that doesn't mean he isn't one of the best competitors (if not the best) ever.
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Post by SasukeForever on Aug 5, 2015 22:58:33 GMT -5
So he's won twice and he's overrated...if he won again he'd be overrated...if he wins five more times he'd be overrated...
I don't get why you guys think someone who has a 2/11 Kanzenseiha ratio is overrated. This guy was the first guy to beat the shin-sasuke 3rd stage too, which everyone thought was damn near impossible. There's no way you can say Yuuji's overrated. If you think he is, then show me the proof please because I don't think there is any.
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 6, 2015 0:01:57 GMT -5
Yuuji is overrated. End of discussion. Oh, and also, i have met this guy. I wish i wouldn't. gr8 b8 m8 As of yet you have failed to provide a single piece of evidence as to why a two-time champion and three-time finalist is "overrated", especially when faced with a wall of evidence against you. In the United States legal system, the technical term for this is "guilty". Please, enlighten me on all the other two-time champions and three-time finalists. Yuuji is the gold standard for SASUKE competitors. Now, how did you word this? Oh, right. Now please, cut out the trolling and, if you are capable of doing so, create legitimate discussion.
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Post by Amber on Aug 6, 2015 0:03:19 GMT -5
So he's won twice and he's overrated...if he won again he'd be overrated...if he wins five more times he'd be overrated... I don't get why you guys think someone who has a 2/11 Kanzenseiha ratio is overrated. This guy was the first guy to beat the shin-sasuke 3rd stage too, which everyone thought was damn near impossible. There's no way you can say Yuuji's overrated. If you think he is, then show me the proof please because I don't think there is any. I'm not saying he's overrated because he's won twice, made 22's stage 3 look like a walk in the park, it's just that I've seen a share of people who overrate his capabilities because he's won twice (i.e. "If Yuuji can't beat the CCH, nobody can!") Plus, many people seem to be giving Yuuji's second victory extra emphasis considering many of us are aware that they highly dumbed down 27's course because it was supposed to be the last tournament and they were begging for a victory.
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 6, 2015 0:27:18 GMT -5
SASUKE 27 wasn't "highly dumbed down"; certainly there were some weaker elements to the course but it's not nearly enough to invalidate Yuuji's victory. First of all, I would argue that SASUKE 27's First Stage was harder than 26's. The Spin Bridge was significantly harder than 26's Giant Swing, and 27's Giant Swing was more difficult than 26's Hazard Swing. 27 also had a significantly stronger field considering many of today's top Americans were in the field instead of, say, Patrick Cusic. Ultimately the Third Stage focused instead on making sure everyone got to the Flying Bar and that there would be a clear of the Ultimate Cliffhanger but with the intention on killing people after with the Chain See-saw, although it just so happened that they got two Unlimited Cliffers on the back half and that was that. There was nothing easy about the Chain See-saw, and if it were earlier in the stage it would have been a massacre. They just happened to get two guys who are really, really good at hanging obstacles.
There's not a doubt in my mind that Yuuji would have beaten 26's Third Stage. If he could beat the Chain See-saw then there's no reason he couldn't beat the Roulette Cylinder + Doorknob Grasper, and I'm sure he trained heavily on the new obstacles that he hadn't attempted to that point (i.e. Roulette Cylinder, Doorknob Grasper, Swing Circle, Flying Bar). In fairness, Yuuji wouldn't have cleared the Third Stage in 25, but it's hard to say that anyone would have cleared sight unseen like Yuuji would have been forced to do. In the end they had to tone it down for 26 and again for 27 because it was too difficult.
Yuuji's Kryptonite is that he lacks the type of strength that it takes to be a champion in the Rising era. He got killed three tournaments in a row on obstacles that a man of his size would understandably struggle mightily with. Had he got there, Yuuji probably would have destroyed the Third Stage solely because he's trained to death on it. (That's not to say that he couldn't do many of those obstacles without having previously training on them; the CCH is the outlier because it was so radically new that I'm not sure anyone would have beaten it in SASUKE 28.) However, training on obstacles isn't going to cut it anymore. SASUKE Rising demands overall conditioning and fundamental strength. He needs to hit the weight room if he's going to become a three-time champion. It's the same reason that rock climbers do so insanely well at ANW but Lee En-Chih hasn't won.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 6, 2015 0:33:40 GMT -5
Meanwhile here I am saying Yuuji is easily my favorite of the Shin Sedai and #4 overall just because I love 3 of the all stars so much. XD
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Post by arsenette on Aug 6, 2015 5:51:55 GMT -5
The issue with the "discussion" is the fact that kids are ignorant of the meaning of the word "overrated" so they come up with convoluted ways to say that they just don't like his personality or style. Those are vastly different arguments. Re-litigating an accomplishment because they don't "like" someone doesn't negate their achievement. Confusing personal like/dislike over a person and confusing it over (in this case two) an undisputed victory is childish. It's like saying (insert World/Olympic champion of insert sport) is overrated because he won 2 Olympic Gold medals/World Championships but I hate him because he's a douche or he's cocky, was "cold when I met him" or worse.. because (insert favorite athlete) that didn't win that same year and should have because zomg. Either way, anyone using the word incorrectly only shows their lack of knowledge of a simple word. Try opening up a thesaurus and find the word you really want to use.
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Post by green on Aug 11, 2015 6:16:21 GMT -5
Because he failed at flying chute 4 times in a row. I Think he just failed 2 Times in Flying chute ? failed 4 times in stage 1, my mistake.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Aug 12, 2015 0:51:19 GMT -5
Morimoto is a mix of Akiyama's fearlessness, Nagano's humble confidence and Yuuji's dedication. Random thought I just had...
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Post by zdude69closedrofl on Aug 13, 2015 2:02:59 GMT -5
Well... like, opinions and stuff but uh here we go, don't kill me if you disagree pls: Favorite older competitors: Akira Omori, Kane & Shane Kosugi, Sasuke Sensei Favorite veterans with no particular group: Kong Takahashi, Naoki Iketani, Shunsuke Nagasaki, Lee, Ishikawa, Nakata Favorite retired competitors as of recent: Okuyama, Hashimoto, Jovtchev, Koji Yamada, Shinji Favorite Shin Sedai members: Morimoto, Asa, Urushihara, Kishimoto(?) (tbh I have no idea what the line-up is lmao) Favorite All-Stars: Akiyama, Shiratori, Nagano, Yamamoto, and Takeda... see what I did there? ...okay I still like Yamada, just not as much as the others. Bit too much of a drama queen for me. Favorite "baby boomers with no group" as I like to call them: Hioki, Kawaguchi, and WREATH MAAAAAN Favorite Americans: Orosco, Campbell, Meeuwenberg, and Drechsel. There are too many great people to leave out so sorry... here's a Top 10 though, keep in mind it's pretty biased: 10. Kane Kosugi (what I'd give to see him compete again, truly a standout from the early years) 9. David Campbell (followed his training videos before he competed on SASUKE, so he holds a soft spot on my list, especially considering his track record from the few times he competed on SASUKE) 8. Akiyama (he may have plummeted after his win, but his story is so inspirational and he's so fearless you gotta love him) 7. Asa (he's SO HARDCORE THE WAY HE SCREAMS nah jk, but he's got a lot of power and fire in him and I love it) 6. Urushihara (two-time champion, super unprecedented how he exploded onto the SASUKE scene, I really enjoy him and his underdog persona) 5. Shiratori (his SASUKE 15 run ultimately got me into watching the show. loved his way of conquering the course) 4. Takeda (I have grown super attached to him over the later tournaments, around 24 mainly) 3. Morimoto (I just love him, such a genuinely deserving winner, and he has tons of fun) 2. Shingo (he IS SASUKE frankly, like he is pretty much the most significant historical figure on the show. plus he's such a dorky man, you gotta adore his personality) 1. Nagano (obviously. don't really need to explain this lol, nor will I) If Wreath Man continues to compete and kick a**, he will probably slip into my top 10 somewhere.
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