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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 20:02:33 GMT -5
Pray for ratings of 10 and higher. We are back to that again... if we don't hit it, this is the last. Okay, now I'm worried.
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Post by Alzy on Jun 2, 2015 21:31:42 GMT -5
If they don't hit 10 will they still go ahead with the world cup idea? praying this isn't the last
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Post by arsenette on Jun 3, 2015 5:05:41 GMT -5
If they don't hit 10 will they still go ahead with the world cup idea? praying this isn't the last Both events are not tied to each other (thankfully). World Cup is still in the works but as usual taking time to finally come to fruition (as most inaugural events are). I specifically asked about that connection. That doesn't though help me feel better about the subject of the numbered series. Best to leave that discussion to the 31 discussion thread to leave this to "news". In other news, articles from Sasuke are coming out. This was retweeted this morning. Twitter
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Post by Amber on Jun 3, 2015 10:58:46 GMT -5
Do they even show commercials for Sasuke? They need to promote it more... that talk show thing or whatever anw did recently was genius... if SASUKE could do that a day or two before it broadcasted it'd boost ratings.
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Post by Anshin on Jun 3, 2015 22:01:28 GMT -5
Pray for ratings of 10 and higher. We are back to that again... if we don't hit it, this is the last. :( All TBS's fault for failing to promote Sasuke, and the dinosaurs refuse to believe the western fanbase is huge.. they f***ing did it to themselves Basically. :/ They focus too much on terrestrial viewership and completely forego international interest/numbers to make up for the cost of production. They need to get someone else to license Ninja Warrior at the very least, Sasuke preferred obviously, but Ninja Warrior is easier to market to the general population.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 4, 2015 2:54:09 GMT -5
All TBS's fault for failing to promote Sasuke, and the dinosaurs refuse to believe the western fanbase is huge.. they f***ing did it to themselves Basically. :/ They focus too much on terrestrial viewership and completely forego international interest/numbers to make up for the cost of production. They need to get someone else to license Ninja Warrior at the very least, Sasuke preferred obviously, but Ninja Warrior is easier to market to the general population. Actually TBS does this with ALL of their properties. They have very little interest in committing funds and energy in promoting anything if it costs money then complain when things fail. It's a systemic problem within TBS and the reason why they are last in their own country. The only reason Sasuke had high ratings is because Higuchi was a genius in marketing and licensing along with coming up with ideas that viewers wanted to see. Once he and M9 went away TBS was left with having to figure out what he did. They never have and that's why we are in the situation we are in now. There's only so much Inui can do though as it still falls on TBS to give a crap about their shows.
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Post by Amber on Jun 4, 2015 11:11:58 GMT -5
I bet the raw Japanese broadcast edited with English subtitles or English commentary and aired the same day as Sasuke over here would be semi-popular tbh, we know just about everyone on SMF that lives in America would watch it, but then again, I can't imagine NBC or Esquire wanting to do this.
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Post by jfeathe on Jun 4, 2015 20:15:04 GMT -5
Wow, I've taken a few months off the Sasuke Maniac Forums and I find out Sasuke is in danger of cancellation...
Arsenette, have you determined if this situation is different than the cancellation scares in the past where even ratings in the 7s didn't get Sasuke cancelled? At one point it felt like every Sasuke was the last, but it never came to be. I hope this is just another scary phase that blows over.
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Post by Anshin on Jun 4, 2015 22:25:09 GMT -5
Actually TBS does this with ALL of their properties. :( They have very little interest in committing funds and energy in promoting anything if it costs money then complain when things fail. It's a systemic problem within TBS and the reason why they are last in their own country. The only reason Sasuke had high ratings is because Higuchi was a genius in marketing and licensing along with coming up with ideas that viewers wanted to see. Once he and M9 went away TBS was left with having to figure out what he did. They never have and that's why we are in the situation we are in now. There's only so much Inui can do though as it still falls on TBS to give a crap about their shows. So, TBS was eating half the production costs (not sure what the share of production was in the M9 era), failed to market the show well, wonders why ratings were bad; and now that they're in full control, still don't know how to run the program efficiently? Licensing and sitting on royalties would be a lucrative market for them right about now. But wait, that'll cost money too, to promote it to potential buyers. Back to square one :/ the raw Japanese broadcast edited with English subtitles. This is all I want, and i'm sure i'm not alone on this.
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Post by lostinube on Jun 5, 2015 1:25:17 GMT -5
Do they even show commercials for Sasuke? They need to promote it more... that talk show thing or whatever anw did recently was genius... if SASUKE could do that a day or two before it broadcasted it'd boost ratings. They do promote it on the TBS morning shows. It's just that most people here don't see those shows. Articles have been popping up here and there, mostly focusing on Ryoichi Tsukada, the Golden Bomber members and Tomoko Kaneda. natalie.mu/music/news/148206Similar to when guys from EXILE were on, Tsukada will bring in his own fans. It's kind of a big thing - SASUKE has never had a Johnny's member on before (for those of you who don't follow J-pop Johnnys is a talent agency that has some of the biggest boy band acts in Japan like SMAP and Arashi). I don't think TBS is dead last anymore. Fuji TV has been faltering and NTV and TV Asahi have been picking up more wins. TBS' saving grace is often sports. They're just bad at variety and dramas, which, unfortunately are the lifeblood of the stations. Why they don't promote SASUKE more using Taiiku-kai TV is a mystery and (without any background knowledge) probably just a territorial pissing match. The show (while I hate certain parts of it) is obviously a throwback to a Kinniku Banzuke program. It sometimes shares talent with SASUKE and would give SASUKE lots of support even if they throw in a one or two minute clip per show.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 5, 2015 3:05:22 GMT -5
Wow, I've taken a few months off the Sasuke Maniac Forums and I find out Sasuke is in danger of cancellation... Arsenette, have you determined if this situation is different than the cancellation scares in the past where even ratings in the 7s didn't get Sasuke cancelled? At one point it felt like every Sasuke was the last, but it never came to be. I hope this is just another scary phase that blows over. Each cancellation has been different. If it happens, it will be the 3rd time it gets cancelled. First time was during the Banzuke incident (after Sasuke 8/9). The 2nd was when Monster 9 went down (and we witnessed that). As much as they hate Higuchi with a passion, he had a knack of knowing how to promote his stuff. They constantly let him do all the work. It's kinda a staple with TBS actually. Other shows we've seen (most notably the ice carrying challenge from mount Fuji) have joked how bad TBS is at promoting it's own stuff. By contrast we are used to in American television where the hype is real and we see cross promotion out the wazzu with people appearing on different networks and even different forms of media (print, social media, billboard marketing, morning shows, etc.) often over-saturating the market. Btw Thanks Ube for updating us on the rest of the issues going on in Japanese TV. Fuji dropping from the top was not a surprise, it's just indicative of what Inui has been saying where the entire spectrum of domestic television is changing rapidly. The shift of the younger audiences not watching terrestrial television and watching net based entertainment if not any at all is a huge problem that Japan hasn't figured out yet. As Inui put it.. children are watching television (mostly cartoons) and old people are watching television (60+ year olds) and no one in between is watching television in Japan. It's a huge problem overall and it seems everyone is perplexed on how to fix the problem. What worked 30 years ago is not working now with the new generation. Sasuke has been on the razor's edge for the past couple of years always in the hope that it could be turned around. The spin offs are exploding and they hoped to tie in the main show to one of them. The most notable example was the ASEAN that went belly up when a couple of people in Malaysia couldn't handle the franchise correctly. TBS again was fine with letting others handle their own license. Hell.. look what happened to the whole thing with NBC where they literally sold off their license to NBC only for NBC to turn around and drop domestic distribution in favor of promoting their own show instead. TBS just doesn't know how to deal with the current market. So yes it's different this time around because you don't have Higuchi trying every which way to save it. Now we have a bunch of executives who don't know the current market trying to "save" the show without investing in their own properties. Explains a lot when you see the big picture that Sasuke is only one of the properties they are faltering on. In the meantime you have Inui working his a** off using his own money to spin off the franchise and tie it to the original in hopes it saves the original and spread the love of the original around the world in order to keep the current show relevant.
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Post by shuhuqua on Jun 5, 2015 4:33:43 GMT -5
Wow, I've taken a few months off the Sasuke Maniac Forums and I find out Sasuke is in danger of cancellation... Arsenette, have you determined if this situation is different than the cancellation scares in the past where even ratings in the 7s didn't get Sasuke cancelled? At one point it felt like every Sasuke was the last, but it never came to be. I hope this is just another scary phase that blows over. I was there for the danger of cancellation talks each time since Sasuke 29. Basically 28 was "let's give it a go, and if it gets higher ratings than M9 death, then we'll do another." After 29, TBS said we need ratings to go up, if they are the same or worse cancelled... ratings went up 1% point and the 30 was given the go ahead. During the Lalaport promotional event I heard from TBS staff that higher ups said that if Sasuke doesn't hit double digit ratings, then 30 will be the last. Trust me we were all nervous and working our butts off to promote the show at the time because we wanted another one and 30 barely hit the target at 10%. I talked to the same TBS staff later and they said that the higher ups wanted like 10.something% at least so they were still thinking of canning the show but kept their word and 31 was given the go ahead. As of now the higher ups determined that for Sasuke to be financially viable viewership needs to be at least 10%, so once again if 31 can get ratings 10% and over we'll see a 32. If ratings are single digits, they will most likely can the show.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 5, 2015 9:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by Philip on Jun 5, 2015 9:47:43 GMT -5
Let's hope for no clear charts this time... lol
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Post by arsenette on Jun 5, 2015 10:08:10 GMT -5
Let's hope for no clear charts this time... lol Tell me about it.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jun 6, 2015 2:03:34 GMT -5
Hooray for night-time Stage 1.
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Post by Madze on Jun 6, 2015 2:13:13 GMT -5
Did they say anything about when it wud air?? Real excited
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Post by arsenette on Jun 6, 2015 2:43:28 GMT -5
On their website it shows July. They haven't announced yet the exact date though I'm hearing early July. Honestly comes to how fast Inui can edit this while doing other productions he's been assigned in the month of June.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 12:44:41 GMT -5
Crossing fingers that Shingo, Yuuji, Takeda and Shunsuke don't get digested again.
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Post by gt4dom on Jun 6, 2015 12:50:36 GMT -5
Crossing fingers that Shingo, Yuuji, Takeda and Shunsuke don't get digested again. With the amount of top competitors, chances are they will digest a lot of the top competitors. I wouldn't be surprised if a good 2/3rd of clears get digested :S
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