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Post by TCM on Mar 7, 2015 12:01:02 GMT -5
Not to mention, the amount of rigging would make the obstacle aesthetically look weird compared to other things meaning wouldn't get good enough camera shots. It also would affect the weight of the obstacle itself which would have a direct effect on the functionality because your weight would have to start the obstacle. That was the case with the Rolling Escargot, but your rotations are much more controlled on that obstacle. The speed to get four or five flips you would need to reach the end I wouldn't consider safe considering you aren't strapped in. I'm not sure a single flip could occur.
There is also the height of the obstacle itself. Needs to be high enough to not get the rigging wet, low enough so that awkward falls prevent injury from the impact of the water and the height also matters when needing to dismount, which isn't guaranteed to stop at the same place every time which means awkward dismounts.
It just has too many variables for an obstacle in order for it to just function. Isn't exactly an obstacle you could easily build just to test, either. Nitpicks when needing to construct anything is rather essential when (in the context of building obstacles) you need to make an obstacle fair, functional and safe. Can't exactly get away with having just two of those, especially when you have a group of people breathing down your neck, ready and willing to say no at any "minor" aspect.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Mar 7, 2015 12:47:07 GMT -5
Not to mention, the amount of rigging would make the obstacle aesthetically look weird compared to other things meaning wouldn't get good enough camera shots. It also would affect the weight of the obstacle itself which would have a direct effect on the functionality because your weight would have to start the obstacle. That was the case with the Rolling Escargot, but your rotations are much more controlled on that obstacle. The speed to get four or five flips you would need to reach the end I wouldn't consider safe considering you aren't strapped in. I'm not sure a single flip could occur. There is also the height of the obstacle itself. Needs to be high enough to not get the rigging wet, low enough so that awkward falls prevent injury from the impact of the water and the height also matters when needing to dismount, which isn't guaranteed to stop at the same place every time which means awkward dismounts. It just has too many variables for an obstacle in order for it to just function. Isn't exactly an obstacle you could easily build just to test, either. Nitpicks when needing to construct anything is rather essential when (in the context of building obstacles) you need to make an obstacle fair, functional and safe. Can't exactly get away with having just two of those, especially when you have a group of people breathing down your neck, ready and willing to say no at any "minor" aspect. Solid points, but still not unanswerable. For the rigging, there are two solutions. The first would be to ditch the rigging all together and just automate the obstacle. Have the two wheels on their original separate tracks and have trustable machinery move the wheels simultaneously down their respective tracks. This wouldn't be a first for Sasuke, since we were introduced to a new automated obstacle in Sasuke 29, the Hedgehog. The second solution would to just do one's best to make the obstacle and its rigging look as aesthetically pleasing as possible. It's not that hard; you can make anything look "pretty". Camera shots could include an aerial view like the Spider Walk portion of the Jumping Spider, or maybe even have clear wheels so you could watch from the side. Next, the weight issue. This is the first point any of you have made that actually qualifies as an issue in my book. I don't know the exact science behind the Rolling Escargot, but it's clearly built in such a weigh that full rotations occur 99% of the time, with the rare cases of Kinnikun in 27 being present (Although his failure was mostly self-imposed). So solutions for the Rolling Spider's flips. If it's possible to build it in a similar way to the Rolling Escargot, then do that. I believe it is. The physics behind it isn't impossible. Yes, the weight of the rigging in solution two needs to be over counterbalanced by your own while flipping, but adding weight to the front part of the wheels can insure this so that full rotations occur most frequently. But perhaps 4-5 flips is still out of the question if testing of the obstacle proves so, in which case you could automate the obstacle in solution 1. As for the "height issue", the same would go for everything you said with the Rolling Escargot. And we know that worked. Building the obstacle to test it being "too diffucult" is subjective and a bit ridiculous of a statement. There have been much bigger and more complicated obstacles in Sasuke than this, and I'm sure they were all tested before hand. Examples include the original Rolling Escargot, the DSL, the Flying Chute, the UCH, etc. All these variables you speak exist, until the obstacle is finalized. This idea I have brought up isn't a finalized idea. All the variables haven't been physically tested out yet, and until they are nobody can be 100% about anything. It's a good obstacle idea in my view, and I believe good enough to be tested and solidified into an obstacle. I'm sure this type of debate happened when somebody first introduced the concepts of the four obstacles I just previously mentioned as points. I'm sure many said the Rolling Escargot is impossible, the DSL is too dangerous because the bar could slam into your head, the Flying Chute is too risky due to possible whiplash injuries, and that the UCH is absolutely ridiculous. But all those obstacles came into fruition and none of those claims ever really were valid. Now yes, there is apparently this new company that is looking for especially safe obstacles, but this obstacle in particular is not as unsafe as some may make it out to be.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Mar 7, 2015 13:01:35 GMT -5
I wasn't insulting the obstacle idea, because it's not a bad one at all. The only problem is the safety. Wouldn't gravity just dunk the competitors head first into the water? It seems dangerous.
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Post by thatoneuser on Mar 7, 2015 13:08:41 GMT -5
I think this is a very good idea actually. :-) But opinions are opinions. Opinions are not opinions if they are wrong, and you are wrong.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Mar 7, 2015 13:08:38 GMT -5
I wasn't insulting the obstacle idea, because it's not a bad one at all. The only problem is the safety. Wouldn't gravity just dunk the competitors head first into the water? It seems dangerous. The Rolling Escargot does the same thing. I think this is a very good idea actually. :-) But opinions are opinions. Opinions are not opinions if they are wrong, and you are wrong. I'm not wrong, silly.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 7, 2015 13:31:31 GMT -5
I wasn't insulting the obstacle idea, because it's not a bad one at all. The only problem is the safety. Wouldn't gravity just dunk the competitors head first into the water? It seems dangerous. The Rolling Escargot does the same thing. The Rolling Escargot has grips, most people who fell upside down used those to make sure they didn't smack head first, they hold on during their fall so they either go in back first or legs first into the water. Motors? Those are unreliable, look at the Propeller Untei, did those bars ever spin in sync like they were supposed to? Padded rig? with you flipping over like that there's still the possibility you'll land in a way you can injure your spine (especially at the neck) And bringing the UCH in to compare intricate obstacles is ridiculous, the UCH is just some pieces of wood screwed to different pieces of wood that are mounted on metal framing, that's insanely easy to build, So is the DSL, that's literally taking an existing obstacle and saying "Hey let's put another one on the other side" and the Salmon Ladder is far from a difficult to build technical thing, again, pieces of wood screwed to more wood mounted on metal frame, your idea is an absolute technical monstrosity no matter how you make it...
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Mar 7, 2015 13:42:02 GMT -5
The Rolling Escargot does the same thing. The Rolling Escargot has grips, most people who fell upside down used those to make sure they didn't smack head first, they hold on during their fall so they either go in back first or legs first into the water. Motors? Those are unreliable, look at the Propeller Untei, did those bars ever spin in sync like they were supposed to? Padded rig? with you flipping over like that there's still the possibility you'll land in a way you can injure your spine (especially at the neck) And bringing the UCH in to compare intricate obstacles is ridiculous, the UCH is just some pieces of wood screwed to different pieces of wood that are mounted on metal framing, that's insanely easy to build, So is the DSL, that's literally taking an existing obstacle and saying "Hey let's put another one on the other side" and the Salmon Ladder is far from a difficult to build technical thing, again, pieces of wood screwed to more wood mounted on metal frame, your idea is an absolute technical monstrosity no matter how you make it... All false claims again my friend. My idea also had grips for the hands as well if you read my original post, so your own logic goes against you. Motors are unreliable? Are you kidding? If motors didn't work we wouldn't have cars, boats, etc. Oh but one faulty obstacle from a decade ago disproves that. Build it correctly. Padded rig, yes. Possible injuries? Sure. Like any obstacle in the history of the entire show. Because running up a 14 foot wall and risking falling on your tailbone, catching an ankle, breaking your neck, etc. all don't exist, right? I brought up the UCH because it sounds like an impossible idea at first. Yet they built it, and tested it. Understand why I brought it up? Clearly it's less intricate than this obstacle. "A technical monstrosity", as was the Rolling Escargot if you so believe.
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Post by thatoneuser on Mar 7, 2015 13:50:36 GMT -5
Look, let's get this thread back on topic. It's a stupid obstacle. Everyone except you seems to realize this. We've been over this several times before, it's dangerous and it's impractical.
Back on topic. Please.
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Post by Philip on Mar 7, 2015 13:50:56 GMT -5
Just stop arguing about it..
Anyways, I still haven't figured out what obstacle I want to submit.
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Post by gt4dom on Mar 7, 2015 13:54:21 GMT -5
Just stop arguing about it.. Anyways, I still haven't figured out what obstacle I want to submit. There are plenty of sim sasuke/ stickman sasuke obstacles if you are struggling for some inspiration
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Mar 7, 2015 13:56:29 GMT -5
Alright fine kiddos, I know I'm right. But just one last post before we stop. Looks like my fine stud of a boy thatoneuser has secretly been prepping for the obstacle he doubts all along. ;-) **link removed**
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Mar 7, 2015 13:58:24 GMT -5
As soon as you said stickman that rolling cylinder obstacle came to mind. Also What if the log grip spun? Or is that too much?
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Post by arsenette on Mar 7, 2015 14:56:24 GMT -5
Btw did we find that post that said the time change? I'd hate to miss it because it's at a different time. It's only a couple days away! EDIT (Twice): Got a quick note from Inui. Time is 21:00 JST for the Nico Nico broadcast. Seems the time hasn't changed on the Nico Nico page yet. I updated blog with current times and time conversion. He originally said 20 then sent another (while I was sleeping) saying it was a mistake so ti's 21:00 which jives with what Ube said. I'm correcting it now. EDIT (Three times): Seems that those in Japan can see the correct time on Nico Nico's page. Seems to be an IP related issue. That explains why Ube can see it perfectly fine (showing 9pm JST) while the rest of us show that weird 5 am time frame. Regardless I put up the time on my blog and adjusted the countdown page. 4 days 17 hours to go! Btw Inui, a producer (not sure which one though it was Kikuno the last time) and possibly a writer will be hosts.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 9, 2015 18:44:36 GMT -5
Legit question, will this be recorded in any way? For those who won't be able to make it?
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Post by thatoneuser on Mar 9, 2015 20:15:18 GMT -5
And for those who can but will be sleeping because screw that, it's bad enough getting up at 6AM for SASUKE anyway
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Post by arsenette on Mar 10, 2015 6:23:24 GMT -5
Legit question, will this be recorded in any way? For those who won't be able to make it? I hope someone records it. I like keeping copies and depending what is shown I might do a detailed blog on it.
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Post by AussiePete on Mar 10, 2015 22:21:47 GMT -5
Just submitted three obstacles using the online submission, including a Shin-Body Prop.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 11, 2015 8:02:17 GMT -5
Btw had an opportunity to Skype with him again and ask him specific questions about this broadcast on Friday. The Nico Nico Program is going to run approximately 2 hours. It all depends on the entries which are still arriving. He joked that if it's only a couple obstacles then it's going to be pretty short! He will be actually looking at some of the entries live on camera (meaning he hasn't been able to see all of them yet since some are coming from TBS, others from the Nico site). I did confirm a couple of things. He warns that he is a harsh critic so don't be surprised if he puts down ideas harshly. Some of the problems he's running into with early entries are that some were already tested years ago and know it won't work or won't get past health and safety. Some will be too expensive to build as TBS just doesn't have the budget it used to (thanks to lower ratings of late). He will go through most of that with explanations when he presents them all (and yes, he will show every single one of them). Approximate amount of hosts are 6. Inui, a couple producers and a couple surprise guests (even to me. I don't know, I just ask for amount I didn't ask who out of courtesy). He also knows we will be watching live so he will keep in mind that it's an international audience watching. Also of note, he was serious.. he will chose the best obstacle regardless of nationality. So if a foreigner's obstacle gets picked they get an guest pass. All guest passes will have to provide their own transportation, etc. This is not a paid trip. The winner will just get past security. So if a foreigner gets it, raise money since you will be on your own. Also, they reserve the right to not pick ANY obstacle. If it happens that none are a good fit for the show, they are not bound to pick one. He will come up with some on his own. He has health and safety to deal with so he's not going to just pick anything to fit the contest. He warned of that so people won't be surprised. They are hoping to get 3-4 obstacles for the First stage and 1 for the Third Stage through this process.
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Post by turboextremist on Mar 11, 2015 16:54:47 GMT -5
Very interesting info, thanks.
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Post by yamfriend on Mar 11, 2015 18:12:21 GMT -5
The fact that he plans to go over all of the obstacle submissions is awesome. Can't wait to see everyone's ideas!
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