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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 17:23:34 GMT -5
I thought about replying to old posts, but I'd rather them stay archived and from the date at which they were posted.
Alright, some quick thoughts. Sasuke 27 had some of the most heartbreaking runs (Lee failed on the steps, Malaysian Guy on the RE) and some amazing triumphs and returns. (Wakky, Nagano) Had Shingo not have hilariously fell on the spinning bridge, this tournament would've been even better.
Seeing David on the UCH at the very end, you could SEE finger after finger giving up. DAMN!!
Hashimoto Kouji beating the 2nd stage and Okuyama Yoshiyuki's shocking fail on the flying bar also are highlights.
And obviously, Matachi Ryo's epic run, and Yuuji's second win. This tournament was full of everything that makes Sasuke awesome.
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I don't want to take anything away from Yuuji's second win, but I think, at least for me, it is obvious that the obstacle course designers will make the course easier for the sole purpose of getting someone to achieve total victory, and I saw that on display with stage 3 and stage 4.
Stage 3 had cool obstacles. The Flying Bar is freaking awesome. The Chain See-Saw is also freaking awesome. The Bar Glider is also freaking awesome.
So why are all these obstacles seemingly dumb down? Only two sets of the See-Saw? Only one step for the Bar Glider? Why not two or three? Why not four for the See-Saws, and why are there ladders everywhere? What is going on?
Stage 3 is watered the hell down, esp the second half, and is now a UCH + a few other obstacles. I am pretty sure they got rid of the UCH in 28, but honestly, I think it's time to retire the cliffhanger totally. I'm tired of it being the central obstacle being the only obstacle that most people fail on. Not to mention this version of the UCH is easier than the one in 25.
My problem here is they are just making the obstacles easier with each tournament. Instead of people overcoming it, which is far more exciting, the obstacle designers make it easer as to let more competitors clear. I think they should strike a balance between keeping difficult obstacles difficult, and making them easier for the sake of better results. I'm not totally against doing this, but they have to strike a balance, and the balance on stage 3 was way out of whack.
Same deal with stage 4. Not creative, but Yuuji completed with alot of time to spare. Seeing him not do so well in 26, I wasn't expecting him to go as far as he did in 27. Totally impressed. Giving him the number 99 was a sign that people doubted him, me included. My doubts are now put to rest, as he deserves to be #100 for a good number of tournaments.
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Post by Amber on Oct 2, 2014 18:15:38 GMT -5
M9 went bankrupt after SASUKE 27, so they thought 27 would be the last tournament, so they dumbed down the course so the show would go out strong with a Kanzenseiha.
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Post by sasukeguy on Oct 2, 2014 18:40:01 GMT -5
Yeah, stage 3 is very watered down compared to SASUKE 25 and 26. I hope they bring back the pipe slider and the rumbling dice in the next SASUKE tournament if SASUKE will ever come back:(
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 2, 2014 18:43:03 GMT -5
Yeah, stage 3 is very watered down compared to SASUKE 25 and 26. I hope they bring back the pipe slider and the rumbling dice in the next SASUKE tournament if SASUKE will ever come back:( Uhhhm you realize there have been 3 tournaments since Sasuke 27 right? Also all 3 of them have had both of those obstacles in Stage 3
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Post by sasukeguy on Oct 2, 2014 18:50:49 GMT -5
Yeah, stage 3 is very watered down compared to SASUKE 25 and 26. I hope they bring back the pipe slider and the rumbling dice in the next SASUKE tournament if SASUKE will ever come back:( Uhhhm you realize there have been 3 tournaments since Sasuke 27 right? Also all 3 of them have had both of those obstacles in Stage 3 Rider... no s**t I was just using sarcasm. I know that there is three tournament afterwards.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 2, 2014 18:53:52 GMT -5
Uhhhm you realize there have been 3 tournaments since Sasuke 27 right? Also all 3 of them have had both of those obstacles in Stage 3 Rider... no s**t I was just using sarcasm. I know that there is three tournament afterwards. Well I mean there are plenty of people who have came here for ANW who didn't even know about RISING existing, it's really hard to tell with some people
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Oct 2, 2014 18:58:02 GMT -5
Something in Sasuke 27 was lacking, to me. I felt that the previous tournaments felt a lot more dramatic and tense. In 27 I never really felt any tension.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 19:18:06 GMT -5
s***, I should've mentioned no spoilers including obstacles in 28-30. I'll read your guys replies later haha I'm too afraid to see something else I don't want to see. I like the return of the Pipe slider though M9 went bankrupt after SASUKE 27, so they thought 27 would be the last tournament, so they dumbed down the course so the show would go out strong with a Kanzenseiha. This is a fantastic point that I totally didn't remember. Sasuke's ratings were garbage, and seeing 27 being a remarkable 16% is insane actually. Infact, I bet had I remembered this, Sasuke 27 would've been significantly less enjoyable. I would've been worried about ratings and the like, but now, I watched it, totally enjoying it for what it was, and not had the idea that it was the last one constantly in the back of my mind. With that said, this is very common in Sasuke. They've been changing obstacle sizes and gaps all the time, but I've never seen them take it to this extreme level. Still, you totally put this tournament in context, thanks.
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Post by peytonblitz on Oct 2, 2014 20:41:09 GMT -5
Yeah I remember Sasuke 27 was the first tournament I saw before waiting for G4 (I knew I could watch the 26th version, but for some reason waited until G4 showed it) I loved every run I saw. I also admit I thought that the third stage was also kind of watered down for the competitors, I thought it should've been the same as 26 except maybe the Flying Bar being third and the Bar Glider being last and the Cycle Road gone. I remember watching Ryo and I was like "He seems familiar" before his run because of other tournaments and Arsenette focusing a lot on the trials guys in her blogs. I also was kind of disappointed in the Final Stage just being a rope. I was hoping for something brand new, I think even after the 30th tournament that we should still be in the UCH era and we shouldn't have had a second win from Yuuji. I love the new era and I know Yuuji deserved his victory after the stuff Yamada said about the shoes helping him win in 24, but I think we should still be in the older era.
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Post by Philip on Oct 2, 2014 21:42:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure how you will react to Sasuke 28 lol. It was a very weird tournament.
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Post by RatedRKO1118 on Oct 2, 2014 22:11:42 GMT -5
I kinda agree on the cliffhanger thing. It might be better to bring back an old, easier version and put some other boss obstacle in its place, just for a change. Or maybe just so you don't need incredible finger strength to beat Stage 3, since nobody else except rock climbers and Sasuke people even have a use for finger strength >_>
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Post by arsenette on Oct 3, 2014 1:56:44 GMT -5
I'm happy Juice you saw the TBS version. All of us who lived through the process live saw the US team in isolation in August on NBC a month and a half before the tournament in Japan even aired (in October). (then the wtf wait to see the G4 version WITHOUT the Americans the following year). There was a political firestorm and rumors of the demise of the show (which turned out to be true). I'm still of the opinion that they didn't want someone to win. The only problem was that the course was designed without paying attention to the damn Cliffers. Everyone else failed as predicted but the Cliffers got past the obstacle they called "Ultimate". They truly did not expect them to clear that cliff that quickly. Given also that Yuuji was not a fast climber in the beginning they thought a longer rope would kill him (like it did with Ryo). They were wrong. Seems they had a bunch of testers running it to see what the timer should be. Even if they brought down the time Yuuji would have beat it. All of the Americans said the same thing. NOTHING could have defeated Yuuji at that stage at that time. He was that good. Everyone, as the production staff predicted, did decimate them. Yuuji was something they couldn't plan for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 2:25:41 GMT -5
Perhaps they didn't plan for/try to get a kanzenseiha out of 27, but it's obvious they made the third stage easier in hopes that someone would beat the UCH, and the obstacles after it were pretty easy too. I agree with you on the stage 4 part. The way competitors in earlier tournaments usually gas out right before the buzzer, they probably thought that it would be a far slower climb to the top like it was with Ryo.
I'm glad for the win and looking forward to seeing what this new era is all about.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 3, 2014 2:43:34 GMT -5
For context 28 came in a year and a half later under new management but an old director. The director is Masato Inui and he was the same director of Sasuke 1-14. Got in a fight with Higuchi, left and formed his own company. Now he's back and was hoping to fundamentally reboot the show. So be prepared for the shock.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Oct 3, 2014 14:04:42 GMT -5
Coincidence that SASUKE 27 aired 3 years ago today? I think not! XD Well anyways my thoughts on SASUKE 27 were also a bit mixed. I loved Nagano's comeback after the loss of his father... terribly sorry for that... And I have to agree with most everyone here. The 3rd stage was watered down... I liked the stage 3 from SASUKE 25 and 26 since there were more obstacles to tire you out before the UCH destroyed you! BTW Ryo you finally cleared stage 1! Ryo was always one of my favorite rising stars and he took it all the way to the final stage against... Oh boy we got Yuuji! Yeah 2 time grand champion I like that! Anyways yeah I like the fact Yuuji utterly DESTROYED the final stage (like Akiyama before) but I'm a bit surprised it was just a rope climb... well anyways yeah my thoughts too. (Also WHY SHINGO WHY?! WHY SHINGO THE SPIN BRIDGE?! XD)
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Post by Badalight on Oct 3, 2014 16:18:22 GMT -5
For context 28 came in a year and a half later under new management but an old director. The director is Masato Inui and he was the same director of Sasuke 1-14. Got in a fight with Higuchi, left and formed his own company. Now he's back and was hoping to fundamentally reboot the show. So be prepared for the shock. I don't want to spoil anything, but should we give him context about the all-star issue in 28? It might fly over his head since I'm sure JP doesn't speak Japanese.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 3, 2014 16:25:47 GMT -5
For context 28 came in a year and a half later under new management but an old director. The director is Masato Inui and he was the same director of Sasuke 1-14. Got in a fight with Higuchi, left and formed his own company. Now he's back and was hoping to fundamentally reboot the show. So be prepared for the shock. I don't want to spoil anything, but should we give him context about the all-star issue in 28? It might fly over his head since I'm sure JP doesn't speak Japanese. No spoilers needed. When Inui took over he did it with the condition that he wanted to reboot the series (Inui has full creative control over the show now). So as a result one of the things he wanted to do was retired the All-Stars. Yes. All of them. Sasuke 28 is their retirement party. That's why it looks like a love letter to the All-Stars starting with a 2 minute commercial, All of Navi and most of the 28 broadcast. I was wailing and gnashing my teeth the whole time.
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Post by RatedRKO1118 on Oct 3, 2014 16:45:59 GMT -5
Isn't the stipulation that the All-Stars won't be allowed to compete under any circumstances, including if they try out?
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Post by arsenette on Oct 3, 2014 16:50:22 GMT -5
Spoilers.. that's the premise. Let him catch up
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Post by RatedRKO1118 on Oct 3, 2014 16:55:54 GMT -5
Fixed.
Wasn't sure what we weren't trying to spoil at first >_>
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