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Post by acw on Sept 9, 2014 10:54:11 GMT -5
Or maybe SASUKE is too easy? Isn't that a possibility?
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nehcney
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Post by nehcney on Sept 9, 2014 10:59:12 GMT -5
I agree with Vaughn. It's too bad that Joe and Elet were the only ones to clear Stage 2 because while they are extremely talented, they both lacked the grip strength required to beat Stage 3. If Isaac Caldiero did not make that mental blunder I say we would have seen the first American Ninja Warrior this season. NBC has been keeping tabs on the training we do and they have realized that the talent pool has drastically increased since last year. Keep in mind we already saw 7 competitors make it to Stage 3 last year. If they kept the course exactly the same as last year we would have seen upwards of 20 competitors on Stage 3 and maybe 5-10 attempt Stage 4. What happens when you have multiple clears of Stage 4? Do you give the prize/title to the fastest up the rope? In my opinion I would hate to see that happen.
Here's an interesting fact that some of you might not know. They actually dumbed down the Stage 3 course for Joe and Elet after they saw that none of the elite rock climbers made it through Stage 2. They made Stage 3 EASIER for them. That's proof enough that they wanted them to pass Stage 3. I love Joe and I think he's extremely talented but seriously the dude's gotta pick up rock climbing.
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Post by blah123 on Sept 9, 2014 11:00:47 GMT -5
You're being extremely abrasive and rude. It's one thing to not enjoy something. It's another to berate people for enjoying what you don't. Hmmm. Unless I missed something, I was accused of whining. I guess that is not abrasive and rude? I have taken the time to explain and defend my position. The individual who responded to me and called me a whiner did not explain or defend their position. So I will ask the same question again - What is it exactly you like about a course a course that is too difficult? Saying you like it and then calling me a name is hardly a defense. Maybe you are calling the wrong person abrasive and rude? when I email my employees, I don't say "Don't do X". I say "Do Y instead of X because ...". The latter is way more constructive than the former. It irks me when I see people voice their opinions on things that are structured as "Don't do X", or "X is bad", in any medium (emails, forums, etc.), rather than "Y would be better than X because...". What I'm getting at is what do you suggest would make the show better? I have a million things that I think would make the show better, but I don't have time to write them down. Yes, many elite competitors, American and Japanese, have bailed long ago, but that doesn't mean the show is going to hell. Another thing... Sasuke has had 4 total victories in 30 tournaments. That's 1 total victory for every 7.5 tournaments. We just finished ANW6. It is comparing apples to oranges, but not having a Stage 4 appearance by an American in 6 tournaments is not incredibly surprising. Americans like seeing success, and ratings would probably increase if we had a winner or at least a Stage 4 this year, but that has always been part of the allure of Sasuke to me -- the unscripted, real difficulty of it all, that not even producers can fudge sometimes even if they wanted to.
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 11:02:52 GMT -5
Or maybe SASUKE is too easy? Isn't that a possibility? I guess it is possible. I would be curious about your reasoning though. There have been roughly 4 clears (not sure I have that correct) in 30 competitions. That doesn't seem too easy to me. With several individuals making it to Stage 4 without clearing, it seems extremely well balanced to me. Sasuke is nearly impossible, but not impossible. The only other option, which you (and Blah) seem to be suggesting is a truly impossible course. My question remains the same - Why is this appealing to you?
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Post by greenday61892 on Sept 9, 2014 11:17:48 GMT -5
Or maybe SASUKE is too easy? Isn't that a possibility? I guess it is possible. I would be curious about your reasoning though. There have been roughly 4 clears (not sure I have that correct) in 30 competitions. That doesn't seem too easy to me. With several individuals making it to Stage 4 without clearing, it seems extremely well balanced to me. Sasuke is nearly impossible, but not impossible. The only other option, which you (and Blah) seem to be suggesting is a truly impossible course. My question remains the same - Why is this appealing to you? No one is saying that! You keep twisting it and pestering us to explain why we think it but no one is actually saying that!
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 11:19:40 GMT -5
Hmmm. Unless I missed something, I was accused of whining. I guess that is not abrasive and rude? I have taken the time to explain and defend my position. The individual who responded to me and called me a whiner did not explain or defend their position. So I will ask the same question again - What is it exactly you like about a course a course that is too difficult? Saying you like it and then calling me a name is hardly a defense. Maybe you are calling the wrong person abrasive and rude? when I email my employees, I don't say "Don't do X". I say "Do Y instead of X because ...". The latter is way more constructive than the former. It irks me when I see people voice their opinions on things that are structured as "Don't do X", or "X is bad", in any medium (emails, forums, etc.), rather than "Y would be better than X because...". What I'm getting at is what do you suggest would make the show better? I have a million things that I think would make the show better, but I don't have time to write them down. Yes, many elite competitors, American and Japanese, have bailed long ago, but that doesn't mean the show is going to hell. Another thing... Sasuke has had 4 total victories in 30 tournaments. That's 1 total victory for every 7.5 tournaments. We just finished ANW6. It is comparing apples to oranges, but not having a Stage 4 appearance by an American in 6 tournaments is not incredibly surprising. Americans like seeing success, and ratings would probably increase if we had a winner or at least a Stage 4 this year, but that has always been part of the allure of Sasuke to me -- the unscripted, real difficulty of it all, that not even producers can fudge sometimes even if they wanted to. If my suggestion was not overt, it was certainly implied. The "Do Y instead of X" for me is to keep the course relatively consistent until someone at least makes it to Stage 4. Dramatically ramping up the difficult when no one has really even come close yet doesn't make any sense to me. I'm totally with you about not yet seeing a winner. Winners should be rare. I'm not with you at all that we haven't seen someone at least attempt Stage 4 in six seasons. This is totally inconsistent with Sasuke. Honest question - is there point at which even you become disillusioned? If we get to ANW 10 and still no one has even attempted Stage 4 are you still singing the shows praises? I suspect even you have a breaking point. My frustration comes from the belief that the producers seem intent on always staying 2 steps ahead of the competitors. If finding the proper balance is difficult, they are intent on significantly erroring always on the side of difficultly. I would suggest they work harder at finding the delicate balance of creating course that is nearly impossible, but not impossible. So far, I do not believe they have even come close to doing this. I find it tiresome.
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Post by greenday61892 on Sept 9, 2014 11:20:28 GMT -5
Hmmm. Unless I missed something, I was accused of whining. I guess that is not abrasive and rude? I have taken the time to explain and defend my position. The individual who responded to me and called me a whiner did not explain or defend their position. So I will ask the same question again - What is it exactly you like about a course a course that is too difficult? Saying you like it and then calling me a name is hardly a defense. Maybe you are calling the wrong person abrasive and rude? when I email my employees, I don't say "Don't do X". I say "Do Y instead of X because ...". The latter is way more constructive than the former. It irks me when I see people voice their opinions on things that are structured as "Don't do X", or "X is bad", in any medium (emails, forums, etc.), rather than "Y would be better than X because...". What I'm getting at is what do you suggest would make the show better? I have a million things that I think would make the show better, but I don't have time to write them down. Yes, many elite competitors, American and Japanese, have bailed long ago, but that doesn't mean the show is going to hell. Another thing... Sasuke has had 4 total victories in 30 tournaments. That's 1 total victory for every 7.5 tournaments. We just finished ANW6. It is comparing apples to oranges, but not having a Stage 4 appearance by an American in 6 tournaments is not incredibly surprising. Americans like seeing success, and ratings would probably increase if we had a winner or at least a Stage 4 this year, but that has always been part of the allure of Sasuke to me -- the unscripted, real difficulty of it all, that not even producers can fudge sometimes even if they wanted to. I agree completely, and to touch specifically on your third paragraph that's exactly right; while some older elite competitors have bailed, new ones have come in and taken up that mantle pretty easily.
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 11:25:06 GMT -5
I guess it is possible. I would be curious about your reasoning though. There have been roughly 4 clears (not sure I have that correct) in 30 competitions. That doesn't seem too easy to me. With several individuals making it to Stage 4 without clearing, it seems extremely well balanced to me. Sasuke is nearly impossible, but not impossible. The only other option, which you (and Blah) seem to be suggesting is a truly impossible course. My question remains the same - Why is this appealing to you? No one is saying that! You keep twisting it and pestering us to explain why we think it but no one is actually saying that! I can't read people's minds greeday. If someone makes a statement without clarification or explanation, I take the statement at face value and ask them questions to clarify. In your case, the only question I've asked you is why you believe the producers WANT someone to win the show? I have not seen evidence of this. I have, however, presented evidence to suggest the opposite.
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 11:33:18 GMT -5
when I email my employees, I don't say "Don't do X". I say "Do Y instead of X because ...". The latter is way more constructive than the former. It irks me when I see people voice their opinions on things that are structured as "Don't do X", or "X is bad", in any medium (emails, forums, etc.), rather than "Y would be better than X because...". What I'm getting at is what do you suggest would make the show better? I have a million things that I think would make the show better, but I don't have time to write them down. Yes, many elite competitors, American and Japanese, have bailed long ago, but that doesn't mean the show is going to hell. Another thing... Sasuke has had 4 total victories in 30 tournaments. That's 1 total victory for every 7.5 tournaments. We just finished ANW6. It is comparing apples to oranges, but not having a Stage 4 appearance by an American in 6 tournaments is not incredibly surprising. Americans like seeing success, and ratings would probably increase if we had a winner or at least a Stage 4 this year, but that has always been part of the allure of Sasuke to me -- the unscripted, real difficulty of it all, that not even producers can fudge sometimes even if they wanted to. I agree completely, and to touch specifically on your third paragraph that's exactly right; while some older elite competitors have bailed, new ones have come in and taken up that mantle pretty easily. ANW has seen nothing but growth through its first six seasons. And I would say Season 6 was a bit of a breakout year with Kacy grabbing such huge headlines. But it would not surprise me in the least to see a bit of backlash after this season. If I were among the elite competitors I would have a very bad taste in mouth after this season. I'm not sure I would bother any more. In terms of viewers, the American audience is fickle. We can lose interest very quickly. ANW season 5 was reasonably successful following an awful season 4. Actually, season 5 was following in the footsteps of season 4 and it might have been the death knell of the show, but Brian Arnold saved it with his dramatic stage 3 run. Season 6 can't afford to have only 2 people make it to stage 3 with zero chance to complete it. If that happens the floodgates will open in joining me on the sidelines.
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acw
Watanabe Mika
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Post by acw on Sept 9, 2014 11:35:56 GMT -5
Or maybe SASUKE is too easy? Isn't that a possibility? I guess it is possible. I would be curious about your reasoning though. There have been roughly 4 clears (not sure I have that correct) in 30 competitions. That doesn't seem too easy to me. With several individuals making it to Stage 4 without clearing, it seems extremely well balanced to me. Sasuke is nearly impossible, but not impossible. The only other option, which you (and Blah) seem to be suggesting is a truly impossible course. My question remains the same - Why is this appealing to you? I'm just sick of AMW bashing. I will say this though: WHEN there is the first American Ninja Warrior, it will be awesome.
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 11:42:56 GMT -5
I guess it is possible. I would be curious about your reasoning though. There have been roughly 4 clears (not sure I have that correct) in 30 competitions. That doesn't seem too easy to me. With several individuals making it to Stage 4 without clearing, it seems extremely well balanced to me. Sasuke is nearly impossible, but not impossible. The only other option, which you (and Blah) seem to be suggesting is a truly impossible course. My question remains the same - Why is this appealing to you? I'm just sick of AMW bashing. I will say this though: WHEN there is the first American Ninja Warrior, it will be awesome. If ANW continues on its current trajectory, there won't be an ANW. Competitors will stop competing and viewers will stop viewing. I checked out the Ninja Warrior Facebook page today and 90% of comments are negative. I think the show gained a massive amount of new viewers this season and were reviled at what transpired in the finals.
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nehcney
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Post by nehcney on Sept 9, 2014 11:44:47 GMT -5
In your case, the only question I've asked you is why you believe the producers WANT someone to win the show? I have not seen evidence of this. I have, however, presented evidence to suggest the opposite. tbowman, did you even read my post?
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Post by acw on Sept 9, 2014 12:15:16 GMT -5
Oh, and Yen, Joe said he wants to work on rock climbing; I tweeted he oughtta work out with the Wolfpack
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Post by blah123 on Sept 9, 2014 12:20:07 GMT -5
when I email my employees, I don't say "Don't do X". I say "Do Y instead of X because ...". The latter is way more constructive than the former. It irks me when I see people voice their opinions on things that are structured as "Don't do X", or "X is bad", in any medium (emails, forums, etc.), rather than "Y would be better than X because...". What I'm getting at is what do you suggest would make the show better? I have a million things that I think would make the show better, but I don't have time to write them down. Yes, many elite competitors, American and Japanese, have bailed long ago, but that doesn't mean the show is going to hell. Another thing... Sasuke has had 4 total victories in 30 tournaments. That's 1 total victory for every 7.5 tournaments. We just finished ANW6. It is comparing apples to oranges, but not having a Stage 4 appearance by an American in 6 tournaments is not incredibly surprising. Americans like seeing success, and ratings would probably increase if we had a winner or at least a Stage 4 this year, but that has always been part of the allure of Sasuke to me -- the unscripted, real difficulty of it all, that not even producers can fudge sometimes even if they wanted to. Honest question - is there point at which even you become disillusioned? If we get to ANW 10 and still no one has even attempted Stage 4 are you still singing the shows praises? I suspect even you have a breaking point. I do think I'm a life long fan regardless of results, but if we didn't see a Stage 4 next year, I would start to become very frustrated. I can see America losing interest to the point of the show getting canned if we have 1 more season without a Stage 4, unless we see more things to spice things up like women clearing Stage 1, celebrities doing well, etc. Regardless, I would rather see failure than Kunoichi-8-style success rate. I do think the Vegas ANW5 course was 10x better than the ANW4 course, and ANW6 course was still better than ANW5. That is why I am hopeful of next year, even though I'm a bit disappointed in yesterday's results.
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 12:22:00 GMT -5
In your case, the only question I've asked you is why you believe the producers WANT someone to win the show? I have not seen evidence of this. I have, however, presented evidence to suggest the opposite. tbowman, did you even read my post? I did. Fascinating insight and extremely interesting. Haven't had a chance to respond yet. Not so much as a response, but if what you are saying is true (it certainly sounds plausible) it generates a few additional questions for me.
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 12:29:08 GMT -5
Honest question - is there point at which even you become disillusioned? If we get to ANW 10 and still no one has even attempted Stage 4 are you still singing the shows praises? I suspect even you have a breaking point. I do think I'm a life long fan regardless of results, but if we didn't see a Stage 4 next year, I would start to become very frustrated. I can see America losing interest to the point of the show getting canned if we have 1 more season without a Stage 4, unless we see more things to spice things up like women clearing Stage 1, celebrities doing well, etc. Regardless, I would rather see failure than Kunoichi-8-style success rate. I do think the Vegas ANW5 course was 10x better than the ANW4 course, and ANW6 course was still better than ANW5. That is why I am hopeful of next year, even though I'm a bit disappointed in yesterday's results. Good stuff. I can respect your point of view. No problems with it. Another honest question - What did you think of Rope Jungle? I massively disliked it on multiple different levels. The other tweaks to the course I could accept (even if I disliked them), but seeing guys struggle for 15-40 seconds on Rope Jungle at the beginning of Stage 2 bothered me immensely. It ramped up the level of difficultly to me to a level that was beyond unreasonable.
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Post by blah123 on Sept 9, 2014 12:42:18 GMT -5
I do think I'm a life long fan regardless of results, but if we didn't see a Stage 4 next year, I would start to become very frustrated. I can see America losing interest to the point of the show getting canned if we have 1 more season without a Stage 4, unless we see more things to spice things up like women clearing Stage 1, celebrities doing well, etc. Regardless, I would rather see failure than Kunoichi-8-style success rate. I do think the Vegas ANW5 course was 10x better than the ANW4 course, and ANW6 course was still better than ANW5. That is why I am hopeful of next year, even though I'm a bit disappointed in yesterday's results. Good stuff. I can respect your point of view. No problems with it. Another honest question - What did you think of Rope Jungle? I massively disliked it on multiple different levels. The other tweaks to the course I could accept (even if I disliked them), but seeing guys struggle for 15-40 seconds on Rope Jungle at the beginning of Stage 2 bothered me immensely. It ramped up the level of difficultly to me to a level that was beyond unreasonable. I think that discussion belongs in the thread ANW6 - Monday, September 8 (NBC) (Spoilers), in which I've voiced my opinion of the obstacles.
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 9, 2014 12:48:40 GMT -5
I find it funny that everyone says they want no one to win and yet they made stage three easier
First they replaced the Roulette wheel with the cannonball incline which was less taxing on the arms
Not sure the propeller but Joe looked like he had no issues and he was able to use his arms and not his hands.
Everything else was the same. Despite all the bitching about stage two being hard; I will say the ropes where brutal but if not for a bad landing pad layout on the chain spin we would have had 7 people in stage three just like last year.
The real issue was the chain spin landing in stage two and nothing else
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 9, 2014 12:59:12 GMT -5
I'm just sick of AMW bashing. I will say this though: WHEN there is the first American Ninja Warrior, it will be awesome. If ANW continues on its current trajectory, there won't be an ANW. Competitors will stop competing and viewers will stop viewing. I checked out the Ninja Warrior Facebook page today and 90% of comments are negative. I think the show gained a massive amount of new viewers this season and were reviled at what transpired in the finals. Facebook is a cess pool of negative sorry just like twitter
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 14:01:57 GMT -5
I find it funny that everyone says they want no one to win and yet they made stage three easier First they replaced the Roulette wheel with the cannonball incline which was less taxing on the arms Not sure the propeller but Joe looked like he had no issues and he was able to use his arms and not his hands. Everything else was the same. Despite all the bitching about stage two being hard; I will say the ropes where brutal but if not for a bad landing pad layout on the chain spin we would have had 7 people in stage three just like last year. The real issue was the chain spin landing in stage two and nothing else Can't argue they made Stage 3 easier. They clearly did. I barely focused on stage 3 because almost no one made it to stage 3 and I was livid about stage 2. I disagree with your analysis regarding stage 2. Several who failed on the Spinning Chains due to the landing pad still would not have completed Stage 2 because the would have timed out. 3-4 tops may have cleared had the landing pad been fixed. Beyond that, what is wrong with seeing 10+ guys tackling Stage 3. Stage 3 is brutal. It will chew up and spit out all, but the absolute best of the best. Stage 3 is hard enough without drastically limiting the pool of talent who can tackle it. The even bigger problem with the ropes is how gassed they leave competitors even if they complete Stage 2. I would lay a wager than no one, not Isaac, not Brian, no one would have survived Stage 3 simply due to sheer exhaustion and being completed gassed out from Stage 2. It's just my opinion, but Rope Jungle is hugely problematic as currently constructed.
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