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Post by tbowman on Sept 8, 2014 21:59:22 GMT -5
Pretty much an exact replay of the abomination that was ANW Season 4.
I came so close to quitting watching ANW after Season 4. But they appeared to have fixed the course issues in Season 5 and I got sucked back in.
Idiot me. NBC played me for a fool. No more - I'm done watching this sorry knock-off of Sasuke.
In six seasons, no one has made it to Stage 4. In six seasons, only one person has even come close to making it to Stage 4. So if you are NBC, what should you do about this problem?
For season 6 why don't we RIDICULOUSLY increase the difficulty of each stage?
Watching absolutely elite competitors get crushed by the ridiculous Stage 1 (ribbon glider) and impossible Stage 2 (rope course) is about as non-compelling TV as you can get. These are guys are guys who could likely destroy the current Sasuke course given the opportunity.
Stage 3 are you kidding me? It's not enough the ANW Stage 3 is already more difficult than any Sasuke version of Stage 3 - let's make this more difficult as well. NBC has no intention of allowing any competitor of ever completing this course.
Honestly, the competitors should all boycott participating on this show. NBC is exploiting all of you. They have no problem building their viewership off your backs while making sure you will never even sniff the top of Mount Midoryama.
NBC can kiss my you know what.
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Post by TCM on Sept 8, 2014 22:32:40 GMT -5
Keep it civil. That's all I say.
I do agree that ANW has a need to change the course every year which hurts the bottom line more than helps. Success = ratings, not the other way around. Boycotting, maybe a tad much. People do it for the challenge, even if some of us have the opinion the challenge is skewed the wrong way. The money shouldn't be the primary goal, but that's an unfortunate side effect of having such a large prize. Not to mention the fiasco that may occur should more than one person clear Stage 3 in a tournament.
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 8, 2014 22:45:54 GMT -5
Does not bother me I mean the landing pad on the chain bridge was stupid that was my biggest gripe. I have seen Sauske where only one person made it to stage 3 before it happens. If you boycott go right ahead anyways I enjoy the show and will continue to watch
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Post by Amber on Sept 8, 2014 22:51:27 GMT -5
My biggest annoyance with the show is qualifiers and the episodes being weekly. Just have it all in 1 broadcast with 100 people running some crazy obstacle course in Las Vegas for 3 1/2 hours...
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Post by tbowman on Sept 8, 2014 23:04:27 GMT -5
If you enjoy watching a rigged competition, be my guest. I've just wisened up after 6 seasons.
ANW is nothing like Sasuke. Sasuke averages at least one contestant making it to Stage 4 every two seasons. ANW has had zero make it to Stage 4 in 6 seasons.
The landing pad was your biggest gripe? You make it sound like kind of a small thing. How many elite guys went out on that? 4? 5? The chain spin was a disaster 2 years ago, they fixed it last year, and now it's a disaster again?
I'm not trying to be disrepectful. Just frustrated.
I enjoy Sasuke. I've watched as many seasons as I can find. But what is most compelling in Sasuke is those seasons where someone makes it to the Rope Climb - even if they fail.
Sasuke also had its dark years where the course was too hard. Over time they fixed the course and made it more passable. We'll see if ANW does the same. History says not.
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 8, 2014 23:46:36 GMT -5
If you enjoy watching a rigged competition, be my guest. I've just wisened up after 6 seasons. ANW is nothing like Sasuke. Sasuke averages at least one contestant making it to Stage 4 every two seasons. ANW has had zero make it to Stage 4 in 6 seasons. The landing pad was your biggest gripe? You make it sound like kind of a small thing. How many elite guys went out on that? 4? 5? The chain spin was a disaster 2 years ago, they fixed it last year, and now it's a disaster again? I'm not trying to be disrepectful. Just frustrated. I enjoy Sasuke. I've watched as many seasons as I can find. But what is most compelling in Sasuke is those seasons where someone makes it to the Rope Climb - even if they fail. Sasuke also had its dark years where the course was too hard. Over time they fixed the course and made it more passable. We'll see if ANW does the same. History says not. They have fixed the course over the years the spinning bridge has been great the last two years. The chain spin last year was fine. There are many things they still need to improved on. Production on showing more runs and shortening the profiles this year was great. They improved the runway on the jumping spider since the first year but they still need to make it a little smaller in the gap IMO Sasuke has what 30 of running them that is a lot of experience and lessons learned over how many year.NBC's ran what 3 full size ones the rest where just regionals and a boot camp to go to Japan. Have they been perfect no and unlike some I like the qualifying rounds. Does NBC still have to fix things yes and they need more consistency on the objects and how they are built.
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Post by darunguy on Sept 9, 2014 1:34:30 GMT -5
I agree the finale was disappointing because stage 2 was too tough compared to previous seasons. Rope jungle was unfair for the early runners but the real flaw was in the spinning chain where the landing platform was clearly farther away and caused too many losses of worthy competitors. Also disappointing that two of the strongest contenders lost due to their own mental errors. Brian Arnold made an obvious bad call in making himself one of the first runners. And Isaac Caldiero (my favorite to win along with Joe M) was cruising and just fell due to carelessness. He really had potential to win it all this year.
I don't think NBC is trying to save the $500k. It would benefit the show financially to have a winner. I think they are not doing a good enough job testing out the course. It sucks when so many people train so hard to lose on fluky and unfair obstacles.
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Post by blah123 on Sept 9, 2014 7:40:35 GMT -5
Boycott because the course is too hard? Are you kidding me? Yes, there are hundreds of problems with the show, and there are many things NBC could do to get more ratings. If you have constructive criticism, voice it. Otherwise, it's just whining.
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Post by greenday61892 on Sept 9, 2014 8:48:16 GMT -5
If you enjoy watching a rigged competition, be my guest. I've just wisened up after 6 seasons. ANW is nothing like Sasuke. Sasuke averages at least one contestant making it to Stage 4 every two seasons. ANW has had zero make it to Stage 4 in 6 seasons. The landing pad was your biggest gripe? You make it sound like kind of a small thing. How many elite guys went out on that? 4? 5? The chain spin was a disaster 2 years ago, they fixed it last year, and now it's a disaster again? I'm not trying to be disrepectful. Just frustrated. I enjoy Sasuke. I've watched as many seasons as I can find. But what is most compelling in Sasuke is those seasons where someone makes it to the Rope Climb - even if they fail. Sasuke also had its dark years where the course was too hard. Over time they fixed the course and made it more passable. We'll see if ANW does the same. History says not. Rigged? That's a bold and dangerous claim.
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Post by Amber on Sept 9, 2014 8:51:58 GMT -5
IMO, Seasons 1-3 were better than 4-6.
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 9:08:03 GMT -5
Boycott because the course is too hard? Are you kidding me? Yes, there are hundreds of problems with the show, and there are many things NBC could do to get more ratings. If you have constructive criticism, voice it. Otherwise, it's just whining. Whining? Why do you defend this nonsense? If we reach ANW 10 and no one has even made it to Stage 4 are you still so pompous in your opinion? ANW 20? ANW 30? You enjoy watching competitors train all year to flame out on a course that is obviously too difficult? Since you seem to enjoy this so much why stop with where they are at now? Let's triple the difficulty of Stage 1 and make sure zero competitors make it to even Stage 2. How thrilling. You can be an audience of 1 person. A course that is too difficult is a failure on multiple levels. First, it is not compelling television. The vast majority of people want to see an eventual victory. Sasuke, for all its flaws, holds out the hope that the course can be completed. The first Total Victory came in Season 4 and many individuals have made it to Stage 4 over the years, including 2 this past season. It's unfair to the competitors. The $500K prize implies the course can be defeated. Many of the competitors train with the belief the course can be defeated. The only conclusion I can reach is that you simply don't care whether the course can be completed or not. The only goal it seems with you is to train as hard as you can to go as far as you can, recognizing the course is impossible. Good for you, I guess. For me - Blah. I'll pass. It wouldn't surprise in the least to see many of the top guys start to bail on this. Some have already bailed.
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 9:13:43 GMT -5
If you enjoy watching a rigged competition, be my guest. I've just wisened up after 6 seasons. ANW is nothing like Sasuke. Sasuke averages at least one contestant making it to Stage 4 every two seasons. ANW has had zero make it to Stage 4 in 6 seasons. The landing pad was your biggest gripe? You make it sound like kind of a small thing. How many elite guys went out on that? 4? 5? The chain spin was a disaster 2 years ago, they fixed it last year, and now it's a disaster again? I'm not trying to be disrepectful. Just frustrated. I enjoy Sasuke. I've watched as many seasons as I can find. But what is most compelling in Sasuke is those seasons where someone makes it to the Rope Climb - even if they fail. Sasuke also had its dark years where the course was too hard. Over time they fixed the course and made it more passable. We'll see if ANW does the same. History says not. Rigged? That's a bold and dangerous claim. Not sure how it is dangerous. If it is against protocols of this message board I suppose I could get kicked off, but beyond that not sure I'm in any danger. Not sure if rigged is the proper word. The course difficulty is way beyond anything ever seen in any season of Sasuke. And the difficulty is dramatically ramped up each time one person even comes close to making it Stage 4. While rigged is probably not the proper term, it seems obvious no one is meant to complete all four stages and win the money. The course is designed to be too difficult to complete.
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Post by greenday61892 on Sept 9, 2014 10:03:10 GMT -5
Rigged? That's a bold and dangerous claim. Not sure how it is dangerous. If it is against protocols of this message board I suppose I could get kicked off, but beyond that not sure I'm in any danger. Not sure if rigged is the proper word. The course difficulty is way beyond anything ever seen in any season of Sasuke. And the difficulty is dramatically ramped up each time one person even comes close to making it Stage 4. While rigged is probably not the proper term, it seems obvious no one is meant to complete all four stages and win the money. The course is designed to be too difficult to complete. First of all, it's dangerous because you don't want to be making those claims if you're not sure they're true. Also your claim that it's not meant to be won is ludicrous. They want nothing more than for someone to finally win, and it'd be AMAZING for the show. They're just not doing a very good job conveying that in the course itself.
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 9, 2014 10:04:22 GMT -5
Boycott because the course is too hard? Are you kidding me? Yes, there are hundreds of problems with the show, and there are many things NBC could do to get more ratings. If you have constructive criticism, voice it. Otherwise, it's just whining. Whining? Why do you defend this nonsense? If we reach ANW 10 and no one has even made it to Stage 4 are you still so pompous in your opinion? ANW 20? ANW 30? You enjoy watching competitors train all year to flame out on a course that is obviously too difficult? Since you seem to enjoy this so much why stop with where they are at now? Let's triple the difficulty of Stage 1 and make sure zero competitors make it to even Stage 2. How thrilling. You can be an audience of 1 person. A course that is too difficult is a failure on multiple levels. First, it is not compelling television. The vast majority of people want to see an eventual victory. Sasuke, for all its flaws, holds out the hope that the course can be completed. The first Total Victory came in Season 4 and many individuals have made it to Stage 4 over the years, including 2 this past season. It's unfair to the competitors. The $500K prize implies the course can be defeated. Many of the competitors train with the belief the course can be defeated. The only conclusion I can reach is that you simply don't care whether the course can be completed or not. The only goal it seems with you is to train as hard as you can to go as far as you can, recognizing the course is impossible. Good for you, I guess. For me - Blah. I'll pass. It wouldn't surprise in the least to see many of the top guys start to bail on this. Some have already bailed. Next year will be the fourth year correct the other where competitors going to Japan. What happens if they correct things further and someone wins then what ? NBC improved on many things this year; they still have along ways to go and many things they can do to make it better.
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Post by vaughngk on Sept 9, 2014 10:09:03 GMT -5
The course is not designed to be impossible to defeat but NBC wants only one Champion per tournament like Sauske they want to avoid more than one person beat the whole course during a tournament like what happened in Kounich 8. So having to designing a course were only one person wins is the real challenge with so many people at the same level if one person wins someone else will and NBC doesn't want that.
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Post by greenday61892 on Sept 9, 2014 10:09:43 GMT -5
Boycott because the course is too hard? Are you kidding me? Yes, there are hundreds of problems with the show, and there are many things NBC could do to get more ratings. If you have constructive criticism, voice it. Otherwise, it's just whining. Whining? Why do you defend this nonsense? If we reach ANW 10 and no one has even made it to Stage 4 are you still so pompous in your opinion? ANW 20? ANW 30? You enjoy watching competitors train all year to flame out on a course that is obviously too difficult? Since you seem to enjoy this so much why stop with where they are at now? Let's triple the difficulty of Stage 1 and make sure zero competitors make it to even Stage 2. How thrilling. You can be an audience of 1 person. A course that is too difficult is a failure on multiple levels. First, it is not compelling television. The vast majority of people want to see an eventual victory. Sasuke, for all its flaws, holds out the hope that the course can be completed. The first Total Victory came in Season 4 and many individuals have made it to Stage 4 over the years, including 2 this past season. It's unfair to the competitors. The $500K prize implies the course can be defeated. Many of the competitors train with the belief the course can be defeated. The only conclusion I can reach is that you simply don't care whether the course can be completed or not. The only goal it seems with you is to train as hard as you can to go as far as you can, recognizing the course is impossible. Good for you, I guess. For me - Blah. I'll pass. It wouldn't surprise in the least to see many of the top guys start to bail on this. Some have already bailed. You're being extremely abrasive and rude. It's one thing to not enjoy something. It's another to berate people for enjoying what you don't.
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Post by Amber on Sept 9, 2014 10:31:56 GMT -5
In all fairness, he's right. Some top guys have already bailed.
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 10:34:43 GMT -5
Whining? Why do you defend this nonsense? If we reach ANW 10 and no one has even made it to Stage 4 are you still so pompous in your opinion? ANW 20? ANW 30? You enjoy watching competitors train all year to flame out on a course that is obviously too difficult? Since you seem to enjoy this so much why stop with where they are at now? Let's triple the difficulty of Stage 1 and make sure zero competitors make it to even Stage 2. How thrilling. You can be an audience of 1 person. A course that is too difficult is a failure on multiple levels. First, it is not compelling television. The vast majority of people want to see an eventual victory. Sasuke, for all its flaws, holds out the hope that the course can be completed. The first Total Victory came in Season 4 and many individuals have made it to Stage 4 over the years, including 2 this past season. It's unfair to the competitors. The $500K prize implies the course can be defeated. Many of the competitors train with the belief the course can be defeated. The only conclusion I can reach is that you simply don't care whether the course can be completed or not. The only goal it seems with you is to train as hard as you can to go as far as you can, recognizing the course is impossible. Good for you, I guess. For me - Blah. I'll pass. It wouldn't surprise in the least to see many of the top guys start to bail on this. Some have already bailed. You're being extremely abrasive and rude. It's one thing to not enjoy something. It's another to berate people for enjoying what you don't. Hmmm. Unless I missed something, I was accused of whining. I guess that is not abrasive and rude? I have taken the time to explain and defend my position. The individual who responded to me and called me a whiner did not explain or defend their position. So I will ask the same question again - What is it exactly you like about a course a course that is too difficult? Saying you like it and then calling me a name is hardly a defense. Maybe you are calling the wrong person abrasive and rude?
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 10:40:25 GMT -5
Not sure how it is dangerous. If it is against protocols of this message board I suppose I could get kicked off, but beyond that not sure I'm in any danger. Not sure if rigged is the proper word. The course difficulty is way beyond anything ever seen in any season of Sasuke. And the difficulty is dramatically ramped up each time one person even comes close to making it Stage 4. While rigged is probably not the proper term, it seems obvious no one is meant to complete all four stages and win the money. The course is designed to be too difficult to complete. First of all, it's dangerous because you don't want to be making those claims if you're not sure they're true. Also your claim that it's not meant to be won is ludicrous. They want nothing more than for someone to finally win, and it'd be AMAZING for the show. They're just not doing a very good job conveying that in the course itself. Greenday - What evidence leads you to believe they want someone to finally win? Logic says this would be the case. But I would suggest there is no evidence for this. In seasons 4-5 no one even came close to clearing Stages 1-4. The course is an absolute beast as is without any changes to it. Yet for season 6 they make it even harder? And not just a little harder, but a lot harder? Why?
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Post by tbowman on Sept 9, 2014 10:47:01 GMT -5
The course is not designed to be impossible to defeat but NBC wants only one Champion per tournament like Sauske they want to avoid more than one person beat the whole course during a tournament like what happened in Kounich 8. So having to designing a course were only one person wins is the real challenge with so many people at the same level if one person wins someone else will and NBC doesn't want that. This is an interesting theory. And it is the best explanation I've heard from those who genuinely believe the course is meant to be beat, for why the course is so difficult. Vaugh - Do you believe multiple people were on the verge of claiming total victory? What would lead you to believe this? Two years ago no one even came close. Last year only one person even came close to making it to Stage 4, let alone clearing it. I guess I'm not seeing the evidence that a large number of competitors were ready to wreck the course. But I'm interesting in hearing additional thoughts from you on this.
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