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Post by arsenette on Sept 17, 2014 20:50:49 GMT -5
Completely agree with you. I thought the biggest pile of garbage spewed by the racist dubbed "Japanese" voice was the claim that they were specifically training for American Ninja Warrior. Who would be gullible enough to believe that crap? *raises hand shyly* Yeah I'll believe most anything I hear now a days. Go figure out of the Japanese dubs that mentioned training for ANW Shingo didn't say that (or his dub). He was more concerned with their attitudes which are pretty spot on being in a funeral. LOL Never believe everything you hear. Always test and question things to make sure you aren't being manipulated. As for funeral, not sure what you mean other than you thought he was saying seemed.. solemn? Or at least the visual made it look that way?
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 17, 2014 20:59:03 GMT -5
*raises hand shyly* Yeah I'll believe most anything I hear now a days. Go figure out of the Japanese dubs that mentioned training for ANW Shingo didn't say that (or his dub). He was more concerned with their attitudes which are pretty spot on being in a funeral. LOL Never believe everything you hear. Always test and question things to make sure you aren't being manipulated. As for funeral, not sure what you mean other than you thought he was saying seemed.. solemn? Or at least the visual made it look that way? Mostly the visuals. It certainly looked like they were pressured til they popped. Poor dears... And this time it wasn't much better until they were OUT. Then Ryo stormed it!
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Post by arsenette on Sept 17, 2014 21:13:48 GMT -5
LOL Never believe everything you hear. Always test and question things to make sure you aren't being manipulated. As for funeral, not sure what you mean other than you thought he was saying seemed.. solemn? Or at least the visual made it look that way? Mostly the visuals. It certainly looked like they were pressured til they popped. Poor dears... And this time it wasn't much better until they were OUT. Then Ryo stormed it! Need not worry about them. They were perfectly fine and know how NBC operates (especially after last year). Shingo especially prepped the entire team this year before they left Japan for the production so no need to worry. He knows how television works and did the part. He's fine. As for words, he's used that language before, however he wouldn't have said that he trained extensively for ANW. He didn't and he wouldn't say that. If anything, they were probably promoting Sasuke more (since that is now the focus for the entire Japan team) and NBC had to find a way to squash that. Dubbing over them and only showing small blip of their lips moving 2-3 words for 3 sentences translated was the only way around it. Shingo is blunt. I'm sure he said something NBC didn't want to hear. LOL
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 17, 2014 22:03:09 GMT -5
Mostly the visuals. It certainly looked like they were pressured til they popped. Poor dears... And this time it wasn't much better until they were OUT. Then Ryo stormed it! Need not worry about them. They were perfectly fine and know how NBC operates (especially after last year). Shingo especially prepped the entire team this year before they left Japan for the production so no need to worry. He knows how television works and did the part. He's fine. As for words, he's used that language before, however he wouldn't have said that he trained extensively for ANW. He didn't and he wouldn't say that. If anything, they were probably promoting Sasuke more (since that is now the focus for the entire Japan team) and NBC had to find a way to squash that. Dubbing over them and only showing small blip of their lips moving 2-3 words for 3 sentences translated was the only way around it. Shingo is blunt. I'm sure he said something NBC didn't want to hear. LOL KNOWING HIM! XD Yeah he would blurt something off! XD Also yeah if anything they've trained more for SASUKE the ANW but to NBC they just think of that the same but in reality it's a whole new ballgame. Also yeah Shingo knows how to cheer anyone up, whether it's a whole team he leads or just his fans (me seriously included! XD)!
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Post by RatedRKO1118 on Sept 17, 2014 23:15:10 GMT -5
Look the bottom line regardless of the behind the scenes shennanigans is that this was a great way to finish the season for the casual viewers. It will definitely leave them looking forward to next season. And i think we have in Tim Sheriff and Sean McColl, two genuine contenders next year. This sounds you're supporting the doctoring of results because it made the show interesting for people who didn't know any better. I don't like the whole "It's good for ratings" argument. It just doesn't seem like something I, as a consumer, should take into account when I think about if I like a show or not. Just felt like saying that since I think of it every time anyone makes a post like this >.>
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Post by TCM on Sept 18, 2014 3:45:37 GMT -5
^ Especially when the ratings aren't actually growing substantially.
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Post by peterpack on Sept 18, 2014 7:06:09 GMT -5
Been watching some youtube videos of Sean McColl in some climbing competitions. Man he is amazing !
They were talking up Issac Cauldari in the regular ninja warrior season. Sean is easily a few levels about Issac in terms of pure climbing. Issac is great, Sean is friggin Michael Jordan of climbing !
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Post by peterpack on Sept 18, 2014 7:11:24 GMT -5
Look the bottom line regardless of the behind the scenes shennanigans is that this was a great way to finish the season for the casual viewers. It will definitely leave them looking forward to next season. And i think we have in Tim Sheriff and Sean McColl, two genuine contenders next year. This sounds you're supporting the doctoring of results because it made the show interesting for people who didn't know any better. I don't like the whole "It's good for ratings" argument. It just doesn't seem like something I, as a consumer, should take into account when I think about if I like a show or not. Just felt like saying that since I think of it every time anyone makes a post like this >.> Nope definitely not supporting the doctoring of results, don't put words in my mouth Just saying it was an exciting last episode that's all
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Post by blah123 on Sept 18, 2014 8:04:59 GMT -5
This sounds you're supporting the doctoring of results because it made the show interesting for people who didn't know any better. I don't like the whole "It's good for ratings" argument. It just doesn't seem like something I, as a consumer, should take into account when I think about if I like a show or not. Just felt like saying that since I think of it every time anyone makes a post like this >.> Nope definitely not supporting the doctoring of results, don't put words in my mouth Just saying it was an exciting last episode that's all I'm with you. In no way am I encouraging fudging of results. But it did make for good TV, and therefore was probably best for the sport (I use the term 'sport' loosely here), just like the whole Brent Steffensen stage 2 thing 2 years ago. Yeah, it sucks that ANW has come to this, but it kind of has to tweak things a little here and there to stay afloat. Hopefully competitors (especially Japanese) put their egos aside and see the NBC bullcrap as motivation to get stronger. I'm optimistic of next season.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 18, 2014 16:15:06 GMT -5
Nope definitely not supporting the doctoring of results, don't put words in my mouth Just saying it was an exciting last episode that's all I'm with you. In no way am I encouraging fudging of results. But it did make for good TV, and therefore was probably best for the sport (I use the term 'sport' loosely here), just like the whole Brent Steffensen stage 2 thing 2 years ago. Yeah, it sucks that ANW has come to this, but it kind of has to tweak things a little here and there to stay afloat. Hopefully competitors (especially Japanese) put their egos aside and see the NBC bullcrap as motivation to get stronger. I'm optimistic of next season. Wait.. The Japanese who were stripped of their results have to put THEIR egos aside? Seriously? WTF.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Sept 18, 2014 16:33:00 GMT -5
Well, I saw the episode and kind of don't have much to say about it, good or bad. It was definitely entertaining. I laughed at the overdubs for the wrong reasons for sure. That was probably a stupid and racist thing of NBC to do. My impression from just the title of the special is that, as always, USA likes to put themselves up against the whole rest of the world. They're not satisfied with just comparing themselves to one other party. They have to prove themselves to everyone. Well, guess what. They lost! LOL
I was mainly disappointed in the episode not for many of the reasons I have been disappointed in the rest of the season, but mostly because I was disappointed the performance of team SASUKE. Besides their two amazing runs at the Third Stage, it was pretty much a drubbing. And still, ending with 0 points is sad. It leaves a lasting impression among the critical mass of the American audience that either a) the SASUKE course must be much easier and b) ANW is the definitive 'toughest' obstacle course in the world. Of course, nowadays, the ANW course may be tougher than what SASUKE currently has to offer. On the other hand, we have yet to see an ANW competitor make it to SASUKE's final stage. It makes me curious what would happen if they sent the whole team USA to Japan for Sasuke 30.
As a whole, this season of ANW, despite all of the shady crap that undoubtably went on, actually wasn't too bad. It was very frustrating to watch at times as it has always been, but overall they seem to be getting a little bit better in their presentation and establishment as their own show than previous seasons. Surprisingly, I found myself rooting against more competitors than usual, but that didn't stop the enjoyment of just watching most people run the course.
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Post by KinnikuBanzukeÜberAlles on Sept 18, 2014 19:19:02 GMT -5
Did anyone else think that the distance from the final Flying Bar rung to the Stage 3 finish platform seemed too close? Some of the most dramatic SASUKE moments have come from the final transition to the landing platform, and that was completely non-existent on this special.
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Post by RatedRKO1118 on Sept 18, 2014 22:08:21 GMT -5
This sounds you're supporting the doctoring of results because it made the show interesting for people who didn't know any better. I don't like the whole "It's good for ratings" argument. It just doesn't seem like something I, as a consumer, should take into account when I think about if I like a show or not. Just felt like saying that since I think of it every time anyone makes a post like this >.> Nope definitely not supporting the doctoring of results, don't put words in my mouth Just saying it was an exciting last episode that's all Well, that would be why I said "sounds" : P It was definitely exciting. I'm just trying countering the whole "I know they modified the results but that's okay because they got ratings" point because it seems kinda silly to me. But if people thoroughly enjoyed watching the competition knowing that parts of what they watched didn't exactly happen as they did on screen, then good for them. It's just the ratings argument. It seems like excusing a crime because the crime helped the perpetrator to me. Did anyone else think that the distance from the final Flying Bar rung to the Stage 3 finish platform seemed too close? Some of the most dramatic SASUKE moments have come from the final transition to the landing platform, and that was completely non-existent on this special. It's definitely not as far as the Pipe Slider's final jump. I don't mind it too much either way myself. On one hand, the pipe slider's jump caused a lot of heartbreak after a competitor had gotten through all the insanity of Stage 3 and then failed that weird jump. On the other, it was dramatic as hell and fun to watch.
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Post by TCM on Sept 18, 2014 22:56:22 GMT -5
Well, I saw the episode and kind of don't have much to say about it, good or bad. It was definitely entertaining. I laughed at the overdubs for the wrong reasons for sure. That was probably a stupid and racist thing of NBC to do. My impression from just the title of the special is that, as always, USA likes to put themselves up against the whole rest of the world. They're not satisfied with just comparing themselves to one other party. They have to prove themselves to everyone. Well, guess what. They lost! LOL I was mainly disappointed in the episode not for many of the reasons I have been disappointed in the rest of the season, but mostly because I was disappointed the performance of team SASUKE. Besides their two amazing runs at the Third Stage, it was pretty much a drubbing. And still, ending with 0 points is sad. It leaves a lasting impression among the critical mass of the American audience that either a) the SASUKE course must be much easier and b) ANW is the definitive 'toughest' obstacle course in the world. Of course, nowadays, the ANW course may be tougher than what SASUKE currently has to offer. On the other hand, we have yet to see an ANW competitor make it to SASUKE's final stage. It makes me curious what would happen if they sent the whole team USA to Japan for Sasuke 30. It's sad that there are some people who will believe that the Sasuke competitors are inferior to the ANW crew (when IMO, we shouldn't compare them anyways) when the entire point of ANW is America not being satisfied that something that originated in Japan doesn't have an American champion. And ultimately, doesn't the fact that we replicated the course undermine that as well? "We can't beat the original version, so let's make our own, but it turns out we can't beat that, either!" ANW lives off that classic inherent American narcissism (or nationalism as some may call it) even if competitors are more humble about it. As for how Team USA does in 30, I doubt they can handle the Crazy Cliffhanger on the first tries. As for the the Flying Bar final jump, it probably isn't that far because the competitors just swung numerous five foot gaps. It's basically a celebratory jump. The final notches are like the others, and don't have ends to keep the bar from falling off. Here's a comparison picture of the Pipe Slider from 30 and the Flying Bar from Vegas. Using Yusuke instead of Ryo for ANW because YouTube hasn't uploaded Ryo's run.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 18, 2014 23:01:50 GMT -5
Pipe slider is my favorite obstacle of all time. Flying bar is lack luster, you essentially win before even ending up on the final platform. It's just a strange finish.
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Post by jork122 on Sept 19, 2014 0:20:40 GMT -5
I found it neat that Ryo basically used the exact same jump he used to clear the Pipe Slider in SASUKE 30 to clear the Flying Bar: Screengrabbed from the full episode on nbc.com. He had enough real estate that he probably didn't need to replicate his Pipe Slider leap to land the jump successfully, but perhaps out of habit Ryo simply did that to ensure he'd clear, with room to spare. Speaking of the bar possibly falling off, the right side of Yusuke's bar was literally inches from doing just that on the final rung, and it indeed slid off into the water after he completed his final jump. A close one!
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Post by damon8 on Sept 19, 2014 0:53:35 GMT -5
The pipe slider is harder than the flying bar anyway .. btw .why does team japan still have shingo and kanno .. its a joke .they should pick tomohiro or yuuji to compete or even shinya and nagano
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 19, 2014 0:56:30 GMT -5
The pipe slider is harder than the flying bar anyway .. btw .why does team japan still have shingo and kanno .. its a joke .they should pick tomohiro or yuuji to compete or even shinya and nagano Kanno did good in SASUKE 30 and Shingo is a key leader in Team Japan. Also out of the all stars he's done the best in RISING thus far. He's actually quite skilled even at age 40!
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Post by arsenette on Sept 19, 2014 1:17:45 GMT -5
Inui has been clear with deciding on recent results and not relying on past results. In addition, it is important to TBS to introduce the new generation and new stars to the USA market that has been lacking domestic distribution of Sasuke. And finally, a practical one, availability to travel for a week. It's far more difficult for the working man to take a week off because they want to. It's far easier for those who are under employed or students to travel then those who have work commitments or even high rank in their companies. It's a difficult balance to get that all working at the same time.
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Post by peterpack on Sept 19, 2014 2:21:56 GMT -5
Just out of interest, will this special air in any form in Japan ?
Do you think NBC are setting up next year to eliminate the Japanese completely and have USA v Europe ? this way they break ties completely with Sasuke which would be terrible.
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