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Post by drewak47 on Sept 3, 2014 6:43:23 GMT -5
Why are so many people being butt hurt about what Brian did? Who cares. Y'all acting like he killed baby puppies or something. Smh. I agree I don't get it... I feel like it is just an opinion on how some think they want it to be or how they feel it should be run. The clock and speed have not been a thing to worry about since ANW1 when more than 30 finished. And now with a rule that anyone that hits a buzzer gets to move on it is even less than important. And with the runs happening at night as a guy that is in bed by 830est a 4am run time is not very exciting to me so a slow qualifying time would help me compete at my best at 11pm you better believe that is on my mind when running the course. I thought that this show was all about trying to finish all 4 stages not finish all 4 stages as fast as you possibly can. getting upset about this is the same as being upset at someone going as fast as they can so they don't have to go first and they can watch others make possible mistakes and gain the advantage of how the course will work. The only difference is that you don't like it, or more importantly it does not fit with the untouchable perfection that is Sasuke. To say that this does not happen in other sports is just crazy, any sport with a staged setup or qualifying rounds this happens all the time. Look at the Olympics with swimming, track, or speed skating. The qualifying races are no where near as fast as the finals, they know a time they have to beat to qualify and then they go just fast enough to finish and move on with no mistakes and set themselves up for the final run where it will take everything they got to win. Most will even go a certain pace to make sure they can race in a specific lane so they have a different advantage that they prefer. Or for the comment that no one STOPS. Then how about in the NCAA tournament when a big team knows they are going to win they will have their best players sit on the bench and rest for the next game so that they are ready to take on the next challenge. Because winning a game in the turny is good (just like clearing stage 1 is good) but the point is to win the last game and everyone wants to be in the best position possible to do so. I know that I am mostly a lurker here and no one is going to change their views because its painfully obvious at how most threads just turn into this type of talk about how anw does everything wrong and its horrible. It sucks that this show spawned from Sasuke and people can not separate the two competitions and learn to roll with it as having a different feel a different set of rules just like many other sports with more than one version. When the USA basketball goes to the Olympics they don't sit around and complain about how these rules are all different and not true to the American roots.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Sept 3, 2014 7:06:45 GMT -5
It is evident to me that none of you have any idea what I am actually talking about, so I guess I'll move on.
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Post by acw on Sept 3, 2014 7:59:26 GMT -5
Jeez ya'll really like to make everyone feel guilty for liking this show. THANK YOU! I'm almost GLAD I didn't start with SASUKE.
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Post by phrozunsun on Sept 3, 2014 8:43:36 GMT -5
It would be nice, if for once, we could NOT turn every thread into an ANW vs. Sasuke Thread....
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 3, 2014 8:55:02 GMT -5
Jeez ya'll really like to make everyone feel guilty for liking this show. I like both shows so what ever I just let them rant and move on.
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Post by TCM on Sept 3, 2014 9:08:48 GMT -5
It is evident to me that none of you have any idea what I am actually talking about, so I guess I'll move on. I think I understand what you're getting at, I'm just of the opinion you're overreacting. You say Brian hasn't worked up the success and consistency to even remotely attempt anything outlandish like running the clock. In his three appearances on ANW, he has a 100% clear rate on regional courses (qualifying and city finals, he's cleared every single one he's been on) and has a 100% Stage 1 clear rate in Vegas. He's also the American who has gone the furthest in the history of the show and the 2nd furthest American ever when including Sasuke. I say he has the pedigree and he's earned it in a short time. Yes, quitting his job in hopes of winning the competition is incredibly risky. Was he showing off a bit, undoubtedly, but look at how Noah wasted time, compared to Brian. Noah was celebrating before he swung on the rope, did his fist bump pose on the Rope Ladder, and played to the camera a bit more before finally hitting the button. Brian did the course, THEN did the obligatory cheer before the clock run out. Sure, he shook his head and said "No way" maybe to play the camera a bit, but he was looking toward the tower timer/listening for the warning klaxon. It might bite him in the end, it might not. We'll find out next week. I don't think the integrity of the sport has been shattered due to Brian Arnold's actions, especially when the argument is strong that it's a strategic move. A potentially dumb strategic move, yes, but he didn't do it just to do it. I don't envision any influence coming from this move. If he wins, this will have nothing to do with it. If he loses, it might. Might. I agree I don't get it... I feel like it is just an opinion on how some think they want it to be or how they feel it should be run. To be fair to all the opinions here, with a show like this and many others, that sort of opinion on how you think the show should ideally (to you) be run is exactly how discourse about the show is done. Otherwise, general reactions that are ultimately "Yay, this person cleared," or "Boo, this person failed" don't really hold much weight in extending a conversation. It's a decent starting post, but that's about it. It has it's place though, just like opinions on the nuances of the show. Sasuke is far from perfect, and it's kind of ridiculous people still have this opinion that people critique ANW yet treat Sasuke as a godly entity. Just look at the tournament boards for each tournament, especially since the Rising era. Some think the double walls are too boring, Stage 1 has become too easy, Stage 2 has become too tedious, the SSL and Backstream get crucified regularly, that a win is imminent if the Stage 3 specialists get there. One of the most popular discussions each tournament gets is "How would you improve Sasuke xx?" Everyone should have the right to voice their opinion, even if it includes displeasure and is primarily negative and whatnot. It becomes a problem when people resort to childish tactics. Believe it or not, some people critique ANW because they want to see it improve and stay on the air longer, ideally having the legacy Sasuke has. It is the same mentality for Sasuke, for some reason people get more defensive when it's ANW because they feel their opinions get snuffed. As long as you debate in a reasonable tone, that shouldn't happen, on both sides. The Sasuke mentions in this thread have not nearly been the derailment or spoiling the thread like you want to think it has been. The primary argument has been whether or not Brian's running the clock was a good move in terms of sportsmanship. Most Sasuke mentions in this thread has been comparing various people who may grandstand or actions done right before clearing. I don't see how that is unreasonable in any fashion. ANW is a spin-off of Sasuke, no matter how many people want to cover that up. ANW uses obstacles that was in Japan, primarily because Sasuke came first and created them and partially because when Nationals was "send 10 to Japan," it was considered logical to have similar obstacles as a subtle way of training. Boot Camp was explicitly "train for the obstacles you might see." ANW pick and chooses when they want to be seen as a similar vein to Sasuke. ANW/NBC has no problem taking TBS/Sasuke's free press. The USA/Olympic basketball argument doesn't apply here. FIBA was created before what would be known as the NBA. Matter of fact, Olympic basketball was around before the NBA. Yes, basketball was created well before that. I use NBA because that is the standard for American basketball today and has also changed many aspects of the initial invention of the sport. ANW's roots could only be formed because of Sasuke. There are key nuances that causes the shows to be similar and thus comparable to Japan. It's pretty amusing that America wants someone to win on a course that didn't even originate in its country. America has replicated the course and it can't even be done. I like ANW, I want to see the show succeed. I openly state a winner needs to happen sooner rather than later. But I will state my displeasure when something happens I don't like.
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 3, 2014 10:47:36 GMT -5
Question so David Campbell another shocking exit on stage 1 three years in a row now. I was really shocked since he looked so strong in the regionals and the City hell he destroyed cannonball alley.
It is crazy do you think it is just been bad luck or something else.
Crazy ever since he almost cleared the Ultimate Cliffhanger he has gone out on Stage 1 here in the US three times.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Sept 3, 2014 11:00:22 GMT -5
I would like to take this opportunity to reiterate, again, that my biases have -nothing- to do with SASUKE or my opinions of SASUKE. I judge ANW by the standards it holds itself to, as a sport more than a gameshow. Gamesmanship is commonplace in both but is entertaining and usually completely acceptable in Gameshows. If this show wants to treat itself as a sport, however, then sportsmanship exists, and there are some competitors who exhibit good sportsmanship, and there are others not so much.
For the record, Noah also rubs me the wrong way and IIRC I wrote about that in a previous thread when he did the same thing. I think I likened it to a tennis player winning a big match in a stadium full of people, and going to sign autographs and do the interview in front of his opponent before shaking his opponent's hand.
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Post by SuperTiger on Sept 3, 2014 16:18:58 GMT -5
Went ahead and whipped up the raw course stats of the runs NBC showed. If we ever get the list of everyone's result, I'll fix it accordingly, and add some more stats in. Thoughts and opinions? Personally, I think the course should be more balanced. Two obstacles alone should not take out well over 50% of the field. I personally like the Silk Slider in theory but it's execution was very poor. The course should be about raw skill. With the way some competitors failed it, it almost seems as if there's an element of luck to it, although that can probably be chalked up to the landing pad being so slick. Regardless, a stage 1 obstacle (much less the third obstacle) should not have such a small margin for error. There also should not be only one real threat in the last half of the course. I think the clear percentage is a pretty solid one given the caliber of the competitors, but as a whole, some obstacles should be made a little bit more difficult, or flat out replaced, while others need to be toned down.
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Post by Amber on Sept 3, 2014 16:44:13 GMT -5
I want a lower time limit. Time ups are fun as hell to watch IMO. (JJ's run scared me, but was a big thrill!)
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Post by vaughngk on Sept 3, 2014 16:47:46 GMT -5
I like it when somebody shows some personality on this show remember these people spend hours training for these courses and if they want to take some time to pat themselves on the back let them they earned it.
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Post by SasukeForever on Sept 3, 2014 18:05:55 GMT -5
I want a lower time limit. Time ups are fun as hell to watch IMO. (JJ's run scared me, but was a big thrill!) I think the time limit is in a weird situation. We've had decent runs have under 10 seconds but we've also had some destruction of the course. The toughest stage 1s have tough time limits (sasukes 19,20,22) so why they think letting people blow the course out of the water is good is horrible logic. At least a 15 second cut needed.
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Post by vaughngk on Sept 3, 2014 18:25:20 GMT -5
Does anybody else think that David had become the Yamada of ANW?
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Post by SasukeForever on Sept 3, 2014 18:52:17 GMT -5
Does anybody else think that David had become the Yamada of ANW? He still has plenty left in the tank. He's finished the city finals the last 3 years, but got hurt last year and the Silk Slider was BS. Hes still my favorite to win the show.
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Post by TCM on Sept 3, 2014 19:19:40 GMT -5
David's just had the worst luck. The Spin Bridge was a fluke because he tried a technique that worked on one version but not the other right off the bat. He was hurt last year and the Silk Slider was bad obstacle design because he (IMO) clearly had a cautious landing and just slid off like he was on a Slip N Slide.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Sept 3, 2014 19:27:50 GMT -5
David is anything BUT Yamada. He's more like the Shiratori of ANW. He's like, the most likable elite guy on the show, haha.
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 3, 2014 19:50:21 GMT -5
Went ahead and whipped up the raw course stats of the runs NBC showed. If we ever get the list of everyone's result, I'll fix it accordingly, and add some more stats in. Thoughts and opinions? Personally, I think the course should be more balanced. Two obstacles alone should not take out well over 50% of the field. I personally like the Silk Slider in theory but it's execution was very poor. The course should be about raw skill. With the way some competitors failed it, it almost seems as if there's an element of luck to it, although that can probably be chalked up to the landing pad being so slick. Regardless, a stage 1 obstacle (much less the third obstacle) should not have such a small margin for error. There also should not be only one real threat in the last half of the course. I think the clear percentage is a pretty solid one given the caliber of the competitors, but as a whole, some obstacles should be made a little bit more difficult, or flat out replaced, while others need to be toned down. That means on the Jumping spider they need to narrow the opening a little it is way to wide for some of the shorter competitors and punishes them even when they get a good vault. The silk slider they need to adjust the landing platform but not to big then it is to easy What do you do about the halfpipe attack change the slope a little so you have to run high or fall ? The wrapped wall is already harder than qualifying with the shorter run way so not much more to change there. The spinning bridge seems about right the last two years. The Big wheel what to do the height to get to it seems fine maybe move it 1-2 feet further from the plat form. Maybe knocking off some time on the course is an option not sure how I feel on that one. Just thinking out loud do not know if any of these are the answer or a good idea.
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Post by rsyoukilis20 on Sept 4, 2014 13:52:22 GMT -5
David's just had the worst luck. The Spin Bridge was a fluke because he tried a technique that worked on one version but not the other right off the bat. He was hurt last year and the Silk Slider was bad obstacle design because he (IMO) clearly had a cautious landing and just slid off like he was on a Slip N Slide. I agree David's luck has been bad, but he slid into the landing platform on the silk slider like he was sliding into home plate to avoid a tag. It was terrible technique, I thought. When you slide like that, you're getting wet, regardless of how slick the platform was.
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 4, 2014 18:32:35 GMT -5
Went ahead and whipped up the raw course stats of the runs NBC showed. If we ever get the list of everyone's result, I'll fix it accordingly, and add some more stats in. Thoughts and opinions? Personally, I think the course should be more balanced. Two obstacles alone should not take out well over 50% of the field. I personally like the Silk Slider in theory but it's execution was very poor. The course should be about raw skill. With the way some competitors failed it, it almost seems as if there's an element of luck to it, although that can probably be chalked up to the landing pad being so slick. Regardless, a stage 1 obstacle (much less the third obstacle) should not have such a small margin for error. There also should not be only one real threat in the last half of the course. I think the clear percentage is a pretty solid one given the caliber of the competitors, but as a whole, some obstacles should be made a little bit more difficult, or flat out replaced, while others need to be toned down. Ok since you posted the % that went basically three obstacles took out the majority of the competitors Silk Slider then the Jumping Spider then the Spinning ball. 18 clears out of 90. Sauske 30 I can only go by the data that is posted {Spoiler}they had 98 compete 27 clears (20 of the failures did not list obstacles) of the 51 that did fail majority of them failed the 2,3 and 4 Obstacles three obstacles took out the majority of the contestants
Log Grip; Hedge Hog, Jump Hang Kai if you take the top 2 obstacle they failed on 27/51 went out on Log Grip and Jump Hang Kai then the Hedge Hog kind of like the spinning Ball. If the other 20 that went out but the obstacle not post played out like the % most failed on three main obstacles and about half on two obstacle and about 75% on three pretty darn close to ANW
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Post by KinnikuBanzukeÜberAlles on Sept 4, 2014 20:05:28 GMT -5
You should probably remove your SASUKE 30 spoilers because you might get dinged, kangaroo.
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