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Post by cole77000 on Sept 2, 2014 20:06:43 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of comparing the two shows because they have morphed into two different beasts at this point. There are some things I like about one and there are some things I like about the other while one does poorly in one particular area in my opinion and the same goes for the other. It all comes down to a matter of opinion.
In my own personal opinion, which may not be consistent with everyone else's: Sasuke - great set of competitors and spirit we know and love - piss poor obstacle building as of 27 onward
ANW - fantastic obstacle building in general (save corner cases like the silk slider. Hate that thing) - competitors from the United States are easy to relate to - a few elements (the large amount of prize money in particular) "tarnish" the "Sasuke spirit" that a lot of us are used to.
As far as Brian Arnold goes, if it works for him, good for him. If it ends up shooting him in the foot, it probably won't be done again. I think it is completely fine to take advantage of a rule that arguably should not be in place (whole 'nother monster. I actually don't see a huge problem with the "slowest run first rule"). If you don't like it, blame the system. Not him. Seems like if it works out for him he is just playing it smart. He put a lot of time and resources into his ANW6 run so it makes sense that he will be taking any advantage he can get.
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Post by thebobmaster on Sept 2, 2014 20:12:29 GMT -5
That happens all the time. You try and find a cycling-endurance race where the winner doesn't cruise to the end with their arms extended When I said stop, I meant STOP as in come to a complete halt. You see competitors in both SASUKE and ANW 'hotdog' and stroll toward the button once they know they will clear--this is usually out of relief. It is very rare breed that will just completely stop and it's disrespectful to the competitors who weren't fortunate enough to make it as far. It's called showing off. It's exciting, sure, but it's rotten sportsmanship and I don't like it. By the way, I don't think the only thing he had in mind was to purposefully put himself at the start of the Stage 2 line-up, that's silly. That's like saying a tennis player who is playing a night match will intentionally lose a set and make their match unnecessarily long, knowing they will win, just to avoid being scheduled to play early the next day. A good sportsman, in my opinion, just wants to do his best. And if this really was his strategy, then it's an idiotic one if he really wants to do well, he's robbed himself of a huge advantage in watching others do Stage 2 before him. This would all probably be fine if Arnold were a long time veteran of the show--but he only came onto the scene last season. It's a very cocky move for someone who had literally only one good season. Actually, he was part of ANW4 as well. He failed the Balance Tank in Stage 2 of Vegas.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Sept 2, 2014 20:34:50 GMT -5
When I said stop, I meant STOP as in come to a complete halt. You see competitors in both SASUKE and ANW 'hotdog' and stroll toward the button once they know they will clear--this is usually out of relief. It is very rare breed that will just completely stop and it's disrespectful to the competitors who weren't fortunate enough to make it as far. It's called showing off. It's exciting, sure, but it's rotten sportsmanship and I don't like it. By the way, I don't think the only thing he had in mind was to purposefully put himself at the start of the Stage 2 line-up, that's silly. That's like saying a tennis player who is playing a night match will intentionally lose a set and make their match unnecessarily long, knowing they will win, just to avoid being scheduled to play early the next day. A good sportsman, in my opinion, just wants to do his best. And if this really was his strategy, then it's an idiotic one if he really wants to do well, he's robbed himself of a huge advantage in watching others do Stage 2 before him. This would all probably be fine if Arnold were a long time veteran of the show--but he only came onto the scene last season. It's a very cocky move for someone who had literally only one good season. Actually, he was part of ANW4 as well. He failed the Balance Tank in Stage 2 of Vegas. Alright, but many competitors have made it to Stage 2 in Vegas. Right now, until he makes it to Stage 3 again, and probably one more time, then that's when you'd normally see competitors do things like this because once we've seen them succeed over and over again and we as viewers become more confident that they're going to clear anyway (the same way for a long time we assumed Okuyama would clear the first stage, for instance), it spices things up so they don't seem one-dimensional. I get that. But Arnold hasn't earned his place to do that yet. It just felt very inappropriate for me. I still don't quite understand why people think that he was 'taking advantage' of a rule. This is a guy who has outwardly put his career and reputation on the line by quitting his job--you really think he's going to purposefully put himself at a disadvantage? If he were so intent on doing this, why didn't he just take it easy on the rope ladder? Why did he have to stand there at the button? ANW Stage 2 has a HORRIBLE reputation in terms of the obstacles being built terribly, why would he want to be one of the first to try them? If he's so certain that he'll make it to Stage 3, and if he's trained SO HARD this year and put everything on the line, I would think he wouldn't need to take advantage of some arbitrary rule. I don't think any athlete in any competition would be thinking ahead like that, unless they were foolishly cocky to assume they will do something difficult like beat Stage 2 as a given. It's a lose-lose.
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 2, 2014 21:06:34 GMT -5
Actually, he was part of ANW4 as well. He failed the Balance Tank in Stage 2 of Vegas. Alright, but many competitors have made it to Stage 2 in Vegas. Right now, until he makes it to Stage 3 again, and probably one more time, then that's when you'd normally see competitors do things like this because once we've seen them succeed over and over again and we as viewers become more confident that they're going to clear anyway (the same way for a long time we assumed Okuyama would clear the first stage, for instance), it spices things up so they don't seem one-dimensional. I get that. But Arnold hasn't earned his place to do that yet. It just felt very inappropriate for me. I still don't quite understand why people think that he was 'taking advantage' of a rule. This is a guy who has outwardly put his career and reputation on the line by quitting his job--you really think he's going to purposefully put himself at a disadvantage? If he were so intent on doing this, why didn't he just take it easy on the rope ladder? Why did he have to stand there at the button? ANW Stage 2 has a HORRIBLE reputation in terms of the obstacles being built terribly, why would he want to be one of the first to try them? If he's so certain that he'll make it to Stage 3, and if he's trained SO HARD this year and put everything on the line, I would think he wouldn't need to take advantage of some arbitrary rule. I don't think any athlete in any competition would be thinking ahead like that, unless they were foolishly cocky to assume they will do something difficult like beat Stage 2 as a given. It's a lose-lose. I disagree but hey that is what life is about having different opinions. I already know what happens to arnold some put a spoiler with out the tag in another post and I can not unsee what I read.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 2, 2014 21:14:04 GMT -5
I just want to move on from the Arnold topic plz. I don't want anything bad to come out of it like... a fight. Anyways yeah that silk slider need I say again it's gotta go. The landing platform is becoming a run ender... If that changed to be more forgiving then maybe I can consider it staying...
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 2, 2014 21:15:07 GMT -5
The silk slider shouldn't have spun and should have had the same landing platform the Rope Glider had last year
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 2, 2014 21:22:13 GMT -5
I have to agree and also I kinda don't like the fact it has the chain see-saw physics meaning the silk actually isn't immobile. Aka John Stewert ugh... why why why why why...
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Post by thatoneuser on Sept 2, 2014 21:33:03 GMT -5
By the way, Arnold was intentionally waiting so that he could take on the Second Stage earlier. Dumb strategy, yes, but it's not him being a [not taking chances] as I had originally assumed. I retract my statements.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Sept 2, 2014 21:34:42 GMT -5
I just want to move on from the Arnold topic plz. I don't want anything bad to come out of it like... a fight. Anyways yeah that silk slider need I say again it's gotta go. The landing platform is becoming a run ender... If that changed to be more forgiving then maybe I can consider it staying... Don't worry, I don't bite I'm only saying this because one side of the argument has to be represented, and it is worth discussing because this is a potential champion of the show. Think about how highly Kacy was touted, even called a 'national hero'... imagine what they will say when somebody wins. Think about what this show is trying to say, underneath the dazzling lights of the obstacle course--subliminally. Let's just say, whoever does end up winning, they're not going to just be treated like the winner of a gameshow. This is who kids will look up to and emulate their mannerisms not only when they play sports but approach things in their every day lives, socially. The guy who crushes the stage and gloats at the finish line-- that's the 'winning' attitude we want in the media?
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 2, 2014 21:47:31 GMT -5
I just want to move on from the Arnold topic plz. I don't want anything bad to come out of it like... a fight. Anyways yeah that silk slider need I say again it's gotta go. The landing platform is becoming a run ender... If that changed to be more forgiving then maybe I can consider it staying... Don't worry, I don't bite I'm only saying this because one side of the argument has to be represented, and it is worth discussing because this is a potential champion of the show. Think about how highly Kacy was touted, even called a 'national hero'... imagine what they will say when somebody wins. Think about what this show is trying to say, underneath the dazzling lights of the obstacle course--subliminally. Let's just say, whoever does end up winning, they're not going to just be treated like the winner of a gameshow. This is who kids will look up to and emulate their mannerisms not only when they play sports but approach things in their every day lives, socially. The guy who crushes the stage and gloats at the finish line-- that's the 'winning' attitude we want in the media? Well I'm glad you don't bite and going by what you're saying this future champion whoever it may be... will never be anyone as easy going and caring and non gloating as the champions of normal SASUKE. ANW just isn't the friendly sport we came to know and love.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Sept 2, 2014 21:56:06 GMT -5
Don't worry, I don't bite I'm only saying this because one side of the argument has to be represented, and it is worth discussing because this is a potential champion of the show. Think about how highly Kacy was touted, even called a 'national hero'... imagine what they will say when somebody wins. Think about what this show is trying to say, underneath the dazzling lights of the obstacle course--subliminally. Let's just say, whoever does end up winning, they're not going to just be treated like the winner of a gameshow. This is who kids will look up to and emulate their mannerisms not only when they play sports but approach things in their every day lives, socially. The guy who crushes the stage and gloats at the finish line-- that's the 'winning' attitude we want in the media? Well I'm glad you don't bite and going by what you're saying this future champion whoever it may be... will never be anyone as easy going and caring and non gloating as the champions of normal SASUKE. ANW just isn't the friendly sport we came to know and love. I don't believe that's necessarily true though, there are some very humble and great guys competing in ANW! Plenty of folks I'd be happy to see winning, provided they take their success in stride. Something that I don't like to advertise is that I've gotten to spend some time with a few of these guys and they're great people; that doesn't mean they're free from being criticized every once in a while. The TV really CAN make you look like a jerk--but you can at least avoid it a little by not actively doing things like flipping off the warped wall and spending excess time to hit the buzzer. Besides, my biases are unattached to SASUKE, I am just speaking from the point of view of a fellow athlete... who plays a 'real' sport In all seriousness, I just tend to be a fan of quieter champions. My favorite tennis player was Nikolay Davydenko. Bet none of you have even heard of him!
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Post by jork122 on Sept 2, 2014 22:01:41 GMT -5
Yen, Karson, Brian or anyone else--do you know where Sean Morris, Joseph Rosello, Evan the Rocket Dollard, TK Klengdong, Jeremy Morgan, Johnathan Morin, Michael Eckert, Dan Polizzi and Geoffrey Lancaster all fell in Stage 1 of Vegas? Doing this in ranking ninjas--thanks in advance.
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Post by Amber on Sept 2, 2014 22:07:23 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, the person who said someone forgot to spoiler tag brian's result in that one thread well.. it was wrong anyways...
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 2, 2014 22:22:55 GMT -5
Well I'm glad you don't bite and going by what you're saying this future champion whoever it may be... will never be anyone as easy going and caring and non gloating as the champions of normal SASUKE. ANW just isn't the friendly sport we came to know and love. I don't believe that's necessarily true though, there are some very humble and great guys competing in ANW! Plenty of folks I'd be happy to see winning, provided they take their success in stride. Something that I don't like to advertise is that I've gotten to spend some time with a few of these guys and they're great people; that doesn't mean they're free from being criticized every once in a while. The TV really CAN make you look like a jerk--but you can at least avoid it a little by not actively doing things like flipping off the warped wall and spending excess time to hit the buzzer. Besides, my biases are unattached to SASUKE, I am just speaking from the point of view of a fellow athlete... who plays a 'real' sport In all seriousness, I just tend to be a fan of quieter champions. My favorite tennis player was Nikolay Davydenko. Bet none of you have even heard of him! I'm with ya on the quieter champions. And yeah there are some humble guys on ANW but there's also those cocky ones too. It's kinda annoying and sad that competitors do that... *sigh*
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 2, 2014 23:00:58 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, the person who said someone forgot to spoiler tag brian's result in that one thread well.. it was wrong anyways... Yay
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Post by phrozunsun on Sept 2, 2014 23:11:05 GMT -5
His foot allegedly hit the water in Denver Qualifying at the end of the Devil Steps. If true, he deserves to be ff'd the whole season. Supposedly Paul admitted that this happened and was going to stop his run, at least that's what was said in the thread for that topic. Link?
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Post by VeryCoolAlan on Sept 2, 2014 23:26:41 GMT -5
Why are so many people being butt hurt about what Brian did?
Who cares.
Y'all acting like he killed baby puppies or something. Smh.
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Post by mrbignich128 on Sept 3, 2014 6:11:04 GMT -5
Jeez ya'll really like to make everyone feel guilty for liking this show.
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Post by UnrealCanine on Sept 3, 2014 6:21:26 GMT -5
I forget, but didn't Noah drain the clock as well (though not to the same extent)
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Sept 3, 2014 6:22:07 GMT -5
I'm laughing at the fact that people think that guys on Sasuke haven't been cocky like some competitors on ANW. Examples off the top of my head include Yukio Iketani, Hitoshi Kanno, Sato Hiromichi, Katsumi Yamada, etc. Both shows have their modest and overzealous competitors. If there is one thing I like about ANW, it's the competitior field. There's no reason to take one bad egg and then generalize the entire rest of the field.
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