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Post by tkdchamp2021 on Aug 16, 2014 16:19:37 GMT -5
You all signed the waivers, folks.
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Post by Miko on Aug 16, 2014 16:32:24 GMT -5
Interesting conversation so far. Keep it up.
First i want to say that Sasuke obstacles are always been so difficult to make. People practices every obstacle (trend what was started by Shiratori Bunpei) and gets easily over it. It's so hard to make obstacle what could not build to home. Sadly, seems like SSL is only obstacle which i haven't seen anybody built it to home.
Swap-Salmon Ladder is in my top 3 favourite obstacles for reason. First, even it's been modified multiple times (and i hate modifying obstacles) it is still unique and hard obstacle (something what CCH isn't) Secondly, i like the DQ rule. Like we do see, there are no other places where people would fail. Spider Drop was flop and then there was only time outs by stupid mistakes. Cross Slider eliminated only because they didn't get good grip from the start. So yeah, then there is SSL. DQ rule makes the whole obstacle interesting cause there can fail anybody easily. Nobody isn't safe if they make just one mistake. I love it.
I know i am really weird for saying it but SSL should be there, with the DQ rule. Without it, it would been stupid and unnecessary. I want to see more out-of-nowhere failures and that's why Stage 2 was fun to watch. Keep SSL, and with the DQ rule.
(Bad english yeah i know..)
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Aug 16, 2014 16:55:08 GMT -5
Good point, actually. I do like that it's unpredictable. But it's just so tedious to watch now.
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Post by TCM on Aug 16, 2014 19:36:48 GMT -5
You all signed the waivers, folks. An event still has a responsibility to make sure nothing serious happens to its participants. Say in Fear Factor (to state an example where there was probably a mountain of paperwork just to get on the show) during a stunt involving one of the protective rigging/measures and it failed and caused the serious injury/death of a participant. Just imagine if during the transfer from speeding truck to speeding truck stunt that as they jumped something snapped and they fell to the pavement at 50 MPH from the roof of a truck. Forbid they landed under the truck. No waiver in the world is going to protect a show/network/production company from blood on their hands. Literal or figurative. Hell, sometimes I wonder how they got the freefall stunt approved of. Instead of being the first shot in the intro, it probably would have been destroyed or sealed footage after its use in court. Pretty sure time stopped when the bull kicked the spine of one of the participants. |
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Post by dlee on Aug 16, 2014 20:13:05 GMT -5
You all signed the waivers, folks. An event still has a responsibility to make sure nothing serious happens to its participants. Say in Fear Factor (to state an example where there was probably a mountain of paperwork just to get on the show) during a stunt involving one of the protective rigging/measures and it failed and caused the serious injury/death of a participant. Just imagine if during the transfer from speeding truck to speeding truck stunt that as they jumped something snapped and they fell to the pavement at 50 MPH from the roof of a truck. Forbid they landed under the truck. No waiver in the world is going to protect a show/network/production company from blood on their hands. Literal or figurative. Hell, sometimes I wonder how they got the freefall stunt approved of. Instead of being the first shot in the intro, it probably would have been destroyed or sealed footage after its use in court. Pretty sure time stopped when the bull kicked the spine of one of the participants. GROSS {Spoiler}For the record Fear Factor was cancelled after the stunt on a Twins episode where participants had to play a came of horse shoes to determine how much donkey semen or donkey urine they had to drink. No joke! |
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Post by TCM on Aug 16, 2014 20:28:15 GMT -5
An event still has a responsibility to make sure nothing serious happens to its participants. Say in Fear Factor (to state an example where there was probably a mountain of paperwork just to get on the show) during a stunt involving one of the protective rigging/measures and it failed and caused the serious injury/death of a participant. Just imagine if during the transfer from speeding truck to speeding truck stunt that as they jumped something snapped and they fell to the pavement at 50 MPH from the roof of a truck. Forbid they landed under the truck. No waiver in the world is going to protect a show/network/production company from blood on their hands. Literal or figurative. Hell, sometimes I wonder how they got the freefall stunt approved of. Instead of being the first shot in the intro, it probably would have been destroyed or sealed footage after its use in court. Pretty sure time stopped when the bull kicked the spine of one of the participants. GROSS {Spoiler}For the record Fear Factor was cancelled after the stunt on a Twins episode where participants had to play a came of horse shoes to determine how much donkey semen or donkey urine they had to drink. No joke! That I knew about. Personally, I think people overreacted to that. It's an incredibly gross stunt, but for a show to be fine with dunking people in blood and fishing through guts yet that cancels the show, is a little sketch to me. But that goes to show how fickle a cancellation could be. To think now that the original Salmon Ladder could hypothetically cause the show to jump straight into the grave because it was "too high". The Double Salmon Ladder must actually be a deathtrap to S&P. |
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Post by Philip on Aug 16, 2014 21:49:04 GMT -5
I've just been super pissed about H&S the past couple days now lol... so that's why the course has been boring as crap (bar the 3rd stage). It also expains the horrid elbow and knee pads  |
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Post by TCM on Aug 16, 2014 21:56:03 GMT -5
Wouldn't mind the pads if they weren't skating pads.
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Post by yamfriend on Aug 16, 2014 22:39:54 GMT -5
And let's not forget about this gem  As a result of this incident, their modification of the HPA's landing pad was arguably made more dangerous in 27 (Drew, and Nagasawa to an extent, can back this claim up). It almost seems like at this point in the M9 era, safety measures were decreased.  In terms of the future of SASUKE, hopefully some sort of balance can be better established such that obstacle production and competitor safety are both in good standings. Perhaps more concrete guidelines can be made regarding construction plans and dimensions, though this idea could end up backfiring on Inui and the design staff by concretely limiting them from carrying through with some ideas (I know that statement seems contradictory, but I'm having trouble thinking of a specific example ). Also, I assume a reason for why the SSL is more of an issue regarding safety in comparison to other obstacles (such as the Cross Slider) is because of all of the exposed metal/framing which competitors may potentially hit upon falling towards the water. For example, the Cross Slider may be higher up than the SSL, but a fail on the former presents relatively minor risks due to only water and soft landing pads for competitors to make impact with. Furthermore, the SSL bar (attached to a wire) always has a possibility of whacking someone on their way down, which (as we've seen on ANW) can inflict injuries upon competitors. |
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 16, 2014 22:46:22 GMT -5
And let's not forget about this gem As a result of this incident, their modification of the HPA's landing pad was arguably made more dangerous in 27 (Drew, and Nagasawa to an extent, can back this claim up). It almost seems like at this point in the M9 era, safety measures were decreased. I would say it's completely UNrelated to that incident, Paul Darnell spraining his ankle happened in Sasuke 23, the HPA remained unchanged for Sasuke 24 and its return in Sasuke 26 after being absent from 25, the 27 version was probably just an increase in difficulty, I actually kind of like how ANW handed that though, you have the same precision landing but they had that padded instead of exposed wood and took out that spot you could trip on between the platform and the log, one could argue the log portion was the point of the obstacle but I'll trade a rounded surface for a safe one any day. Considering 41 other people in 23 weren't injured by the obstacle I think they deemed it a freak accident rather than a safety issue, not to mention everyone who attempted it in 19-22 and wasn't injured, that's why it stayed the same in 24 and 26 |
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Post by arsenette on Aug 17, 2014 8:05:54 GMT -5
Oh there's been a LOT of injuries that we never saw on TBS because they edit that stuff out (unlike ANW where they show it in like 30 replays from different angles. LOL). So, I'm curious how many more injuries existed that cause certain obstacles to not be returned as a result. It's a thought at least. Either way, agreed with others that they we are hopeful that some sort of balance can be reached where we get the creativity of new obstacles that can pass H&S. I'm hopeful for at least "some" on 31.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Aug 17, 2014 9:41:03 GMT -5
How the heck can Health & Safety condone the Backstream? O.o
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 17, 2014 12:27:18 GMT -5
Yeah how in the world of SASUKE is the BACKSTREAM safe?! Well besides the lifeguard. Meh that's all they need that's what they think. Also yeah find new obstacles that can pass H&S for SASUKE 31. It's very much needed!
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Post by SasukeForever on Aug 17, 2014 13:36:10 GMT -5
Maybe H&S thought the 2 board UB was "unsafe" |
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Post by TCM on Aug 17, 2014 14:55:03 GMT -5
There's nothing inherently unsafe about the Backstream. It's just swimming in an open tank. Whether it belongs in Sasuke is a different argument, all you need is a lifeguard in case someone freaks.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 17, 2014 15:30:43 GMT -5
If the Backstream is unsafe, then by that logic the entire show is unsafe and they need to go back to Sasuke 1 where everything was over padding...
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Post by damon8 on Aug 19, 2014 9:07:46 GMT -5
I seriously loved the rule of the ssl . It made things kinda different . I actually feel its a bit tougher than the dsl
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