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Post by urgentemente on Aug 15, 2014 21:54:35 GMT -5
Personally I hate the DQ rule as I think it stops the epic comebacks, although wether someone would be make it to the buzzer after dropping a rung or two now is another question..
Prior to reading your (very interesting!) posts above about H&S restrictions (gah.... thought it was just UK that suffered from excessive cotton-wool culture), I would have said just bring back the original SL.
How about a downward sloped combination of the SL and Pipe Slider? So the contestant has to do the same type of "body jump" upwards (what's the correct term??) , the bar slides down to bottom of the next rung at speed with a jolt at the end as it stops (so you get a kind of log grip drop effect to try and dislodge their grip)?
That way H&S should be happier as it would be getting lower , not higher for anyone that falls into that dangerously solid water..
EDIT: Actually, just looking at a few old runs etc on youtube, it would be pretty similar to an upside-down slider-jump.. so maybe not 'new' enough..
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Post by jfeathe on Aug 15, 2014 22:11:09 GMT -5
This whole situation is confusing the hell out of me.
I'm seriously not understanding the height issue. Aren't the Cross Slider and Lumberjack Climb much higher above the water than even the original Salmon Ladder?
Furthermore, wasn't the safety agency privately hired, i.e. not legally binding? Unless I'm completely misinterpreting the situation, TBS and Inui are free to build the obstacles they want (and they clearly want new obstacles), but they aren't because of this safety agency that they have no legal obligation to follow or even have hired in the first place?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 15, 2014 22:27:23 GMT -5
No wonder the course sucks right now, those health and safety guys are getting in the way... although now it's making sense why we're getting these odd low stage 3 obstacles like the Iron Paddler and Drum Hopper lol Not sure why the Cross Slider is allowed and the original SL isn't though... They should hire whatever (if any) health and safety crew ANW is, they'll let us have an elevated trampoline jump to a full size salmon ladder (almost full size I guess since the big gap isn't there) and stay up that high over a 4 foot deep (sorta padded) pool of water, haven't been any injuries from obstacles like that (aside from Jake Smith having the SL bar scratch him in ANW3 and Dustin Rocho rupturing his eardrum after a bad side landing under the Jump Hang in ANW4 (which might I point out isn't anywhere near as high as TBS's crew is worried about and that's one accident out of hundreds )
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 15, 2014 22:41:20 GMT -5
I can understand H&S's side of the tale but no one ever got injured on the salmon ladder when it was normally there. I don't see the huge problem. the SSL is just a drag and it would be better gone...
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Post by SuperTiger on Aug 16, 2014 2:09:08 GMT -5
This whole situation is confusing the hell out of me. I'm seriously not understanding the height issue. Aren't the Cross Slider and Lumberjack Climb much higher above the water than even the original Salmon Ladder? Furthermore, wasn't the safety agency privately hired, i.e. not legally binding? Unless I'm completely misinterpreting the situation, TBS and Inui are free to build the obstacles they want (and they clearly want new obstacles), but they aren't because of this safety agency that they have no legal obligation to follow or even have hired in the first place? This. What boggles my mind even further is this agency is concerned with obstacles being too high in the air, but couldn't someone break their wrist on the Drum Hopper? Last I checked a fall in the water is wayyyyy less dangerous than breaking your wrist. As for the rule, I hate it, however I agree with yamfriend that if they remove the rule, and then someone who would have been DQed in the past goes on to achieve kanzenseiha, it'd go down as one of the biggest (if not the biggest) controversies in Sasuke history.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 16, 2014 5:40:01 GMT -5
Oooh do I agree with you guys. LOL I had the same reaction when I got the answer. I kept going in my head "but wait you said okay to this but not this?".. Seems he's having the same issues as well. Frustrating the crap out of him when they go through the process of building the stuff then get rejected after they were approved. Ultimately I know why they even hired them in the first place as TBS has had Sasuke canceled once (through the Banzuke incident) and a 2nd time because M9 folded. So I see why they are skittish and want to make sure it's not canceled because of something they could have prevented. He's trying also to find that sweet spot where they create obstacles that will pass the process. Once they figure out exactly wtf H&S wants we should be okay. but right now they are still in the learning process since they seem to be random on what they want. And before I get anymore private messages of "well why don't they just fire them".. it's not that easy.. if someone gets hurt (as usual with every Sasuke (they even had 1 in 30 with the first clear) and it was a preventable injury then TBS will get sued and Sasuke will be over this time for good. So I see why they were hired.. even if right now how they determine something is safe is everyone's guess.. including TBS.
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Post by urgentemente on Aug 16, 2014 7:44:47 GMT -5
On the issue of people sueing if they get hurt, I've never seen (nor could I read..) the application form/disclaimer/sign-on forms etc, but doesn't it have something in it to say "you may get hurt but you can't sue us for it" (in slightly more specific legal speak I imagine!)
I've signed up to do Urban Attack at the end of November and it has at least 2 different Waiver sections in the various signup pieces..
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Post by arsenette on Aug 16, 2014 8:02:11 GMT -5
On the issue of people sueing if they get hurt, I've never seen (nor could I read..) the application form/disclaimer/sign-on forms etc, but doesn't it have something in it to say "you may get hurt but you can't sue us for it" (in slightly more specific legal speak I imagine!) I've signed up to do Urban Attack at the end of November and it has at least 2 different Waiver sections in the various signup pieces.. I don't think they have anything like that, however, that doesn't stop the process from happening and the p.i.t.a. of having to deal with it even if it's thrown out. Having seen what TBS went through when they had the problems from the injuries before, it still falls on the organizer if someone puts an obstacle that someone can get hurt on. Waivers or not it will depend on whether the judge feels proper precautions were/were not taken. Call it a cya maneuver.
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Post by Philip on Aug 16, 2014 8:04:48 GMT -5
I don't think they are worried about getting sued, my Japanese teacher (who is from Japan of course) said that people almost never sue in Japan. Drew didn't sue when he got hurt in 27..
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 16, 2014 11:09:10 GMT -5
On the issue of people sueing if they get hurt, I've never seen (nor could I read..) the application form/disclaimer/sign-on forms etc, but doesn't it have something in it to say "you may get hurt but you can't sue us for it" (in slightly more specific legal speak I imagine!) I've signed up to do Urban Attack at the end of November and it has at least 2 different Waiver sections in the various signup pieces.. ANW has that too, but I think it's more the issue of if there are investigations on the show's safety after injuries like that happened, granted the ones that happened for Banzuke were because of them not reporting the injuries, but there was similar criticism after 18 because of the Rope Glider injuries
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 16, 2014 12:08:04 GMT -5
and that's why the rope glider was shafted after 18 was after the 2nd guy running the course. Also yeah I would hate to see SASUKE shut down because of injuries...
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 16, 2014 12:31:48 GMT -5
5 people were injured on the Rope Glider
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 16, 2014 12:33:36 GMT -5
5 people were injured on the Rope Glider I only knew of 1. Thanks for the clarification. I had no clue on the other 4
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 16, 2014 13:46:05 GMT -5
And let's not forget about this gem
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 16, 2014 13:47:59 GMT -5
And let's not forget about this gem Hold on what happened there?
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 16, 2014 13:51:43 GMT -5
In SASUKE 23 (er, ANW 1) Paul Darnell destroyed his ankle on the landing of the Half-Pipe Attack
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 16, 2014 13:52:54 GMT -5
In SASUKE 23 (er, ANW 1) Paul Darnell destroyed his ankle on the landing of the Half-Pipe Attack Ah. So SASUKE injuries are not as uncommon as I previously thought
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Post by SasukeForever on Aug 16, 2014 13:53:02 GMT -5
In SASUKE 23 (er, ANW 1) Paul Darnell destroyed his ankle on the landing of the Half-Pipe Attack But did Paul sue for that?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 16, 2014 14:26:19 GMT -5
No he did not sue
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 14:42:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't sue as I wasn't forced to do it.
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