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Post by Amber on Aug 14, 2014 14:58:00 GMT -5
I think the title makes it self explanatory
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 14, 2014 15:04:29 GMT -5
By the way, anyone who votes anything other than "Yes" is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 15:10:41 GMT -5
It's fair enough.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Aug 14, 2014 15:55:22 GMT -5
The obstacle wouldn't work without it. I'd rather they just get rid of the obstacle now.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 14, 2014 15:57:48 GMT -5
not just remove the rule, GET RID OF THE OBSTACLE ITSELF!
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Post by Philip on Aug 14, 2014 18:46:28 GMT -5
I agree with lusitania. Just get rid of the SSL. Way too slow and boring
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 14, 2014 18:54:48 GMT -5
maybe they should make it a backwards staircase salmon ladder... or maybe a sliderdrop to salmon ladder combo but yeah. SSL is too boring and it drags...
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Post by yamfriend on Aug 14, 2014 21:00:26 GMT -5
While I strongly dislike the DQ rule on the SSL, I feel it's better to keep on enforcing it (as long as the SSL is around in its current form) than to suddenly change it. Suppose they change this policy in 31, and someone who would've been DQed on it in 28-30 ends up winning; that would probably spawn even more of a controversy than what the rule change was originally intended to fix.
Personally, I'm in favor of a new incarnation of the Salmon Ladder. As it's already been said, the SSL is more boring to watch competitors attempt than the previous two versions, and the SSL isn't much more difficult (if not easier) than the original SL or the DSL.
If they do bring a new version in any time soon, I feel that its design should be very similar to the 18-24 version, albeit the distance between each set of rungs is an inch or two higher than the previous set (i.e. 12 inches, 13 inches, etc. on up to 18 inches).
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Post by Amber on Aug 14, 2014 21:21:02 GMT -5
I feel I should give my feedback. As I do utterly dislike the rule, it needs to stay. I do think SASUKE should be as simple as "get wet and you're out" (aside from the backstream and obvious rules) Think how easy stage 2 would be without that DQ rule. We would have many more clears.
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Post by jfeathe on Aug 14, 2014 23:15:40 GMT -5
I don't see how falling to the lower rungs on the SSL is any different than missing a rung, or getting up only one side of the rung on the original or Double Salmon Ladder.
To me, that would be equivalent to disqualifying someone for missing one of the Propeller Bars on the first rotation, missing the Warped Wall the first time, or balking the first run-up to a trampoline or springboard-based obstacle (i.e. Jump Hang, Circle Slider, Jumping Spider, etc.)
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Post by dudesky1000 on Aug 14, 2014 23:57:20 GMT -5
Everyone knows the rule needs to go. Imagine if certain competitors got DQ'd on it again next time. I actually think something like that could single-handedly kill the show's popularity. It's enough that we have the Backstream to cope with....
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Aug 15, 2014 0:58:59 GMT -5
Just get the bottom rungs to drop and problem solved. Apparently that's somehow impossible though?
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Post by arsenette on Aug 15, 2014 2:20:53 GMT -5
Just get the bottom rungs to drop and problem solved. Apparently that's somehow impossible though? Yes unfortunately. Seems they had to hardwire the main rungs (the first ones) or the entire obstacle glitches. /facepalm Btw in a recent discussion with Inui (since I speak with him periodically for projects we are working on together) I did actually ask specifically about this because it was bugging me so much (usually I don't ask about obstacles in particular). I got a different answer than I was expecting. Inui and TBS BOTH want to replace 90% of the obstacles but they can't (easily). Back in Sasuke 28 when they revived the show, they hired a Health and Safety er... uhm.. department? Firm? I think you guys know what that is. I'l refer to them as H&S. Given Inui's history with how Banzuke got cancelled, he didn't want some horrible accident to happen in Sasuke that would cause it to be cancelled again. So each time Inui/TBS would come up with new obstacles they would be immediately rejected by H&S. The SSL specifically (since I asked to throw it out - and the rest of the stage and start over, LOL) can't be replaced with the old SL because the old one is too high by safety standards. So while bugged, it's the only obstacle in that slot that has been approved by H&S so they are stuck with it unless they get something else approved to fill it's slot. As an example, they had 10 completely different ideas for Sasuke 30 (specifically). 8 were outright rejected, 2 were tentatively allowed (test building and everything) then when it came down to building it for Sasuke they were forced to throw it out after last minute denials from H&S. It's also not as easy to just get rid of H&S since what they are trying to do is preserve the longevity of the show. However, it's causing massive problems from a logistical point of view because it's impeding their creativity. They hope for 31 that they will have enough time to get through the obstacle ideas through H&S. So keep your fingers crossed that H&S is more receptive to their ideas because both Inui and TBS want to reboot the obstacles. They are just as frustrated as we are.
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Post by tkdchamp2021 on Aug 15, 2014 6:42:39 GMT -5
With the too high stuff, can't they just make the water deeper?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 6:45:52 GMT -5
not just remove the rule, GET RID OF THE OBSTACLE ITSELF! Yeah, and replace it with a QUADRUPLE SALMON LADDER!!!
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Post by arsenette on Aug 15, 2014 6:55:08 GMT -5
With the too high stuff, can't they just make the water deeper? To my knowledge (note that this conversation didn't last long) there is a height restriction that obstacles now have. (x meters high, etc.) and had the old SL been introduced it would have been nixed outright today. They are currently working on different restrictions than in the past (when there were none). Back in the M9 days they got away with a lot, but they also paid for it dearly (note the serious injuries that occurred back then that they had to pay medical expenses for). Making the water deeper wouldn't get around the height restrictions as H&S doesn't want people falling from that distance anymore. SSL has a unique problem where testers going sideways also had injuries (or potential injuries) so they just said immediate out of bounds as to not have people incur injury when trying to muscle back up (especially in the higher rungs). I don't like it either and prefer the rule be gone or the obstacle gone. But it doesn't look like it will be unless they get a full replacement obstacle past H&S.
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Post by blah123 on Aug 15, 2014 7:12:14 GMT -5
With the too high stuff, can't they just make the water deeper? To my knowledge (note that this conversation didn't last long) there is a height restriction that obstacles now have. (x meters high, etc.) and had the old SL been introduced it would have been nixed outright today. They are currently working on different restrictions than in the past (when there were none). Back in the M9 days they got away with a lot, but they also paid for it dearly (note the serious injuries that occurred back then that they had to pay medical expenses for). Making the water deeper wouldn't get around the height restrictions as H&S doesn't want people falling from that distance anymore. SSL has a unique problem where testers going sideways also had injuries (or potential injuries) so they just said immediate out of bounds as to not have people incur injury when trying to muscle back up (especially in the higher rungs). I don't like it either and prefer the rule be gone or the obstacle gone. But it doesn't look like it will be unless they get a full replacement obstacle past H&S. Couple things: (1) This is pretty intriguing. Would you be able to find out what exactly the "rules" are that this organization places on the obstacles? That would be cool to know. (2) Has anyone ever been hurt falling directly into water? Not that I know of. People have been hurt falling onto platforms, or falling onto things on their way into the water -- not by the fall into the water itself. So this height thing seems like a dumb rule for me. Yeah someone could nail themselves on a rung when falling from the DSL, or the falling bar could bonk them in the head, but just the act of falling x meters into deep enough water doesn't pose any dangers that I know of. (3) As for the SSL...Ok fine, they are constrained to not going high enough, but I still think they could make this obstacle way better. I've always thought a salmon ladder / flying bar combo would be cool -- imagine flying bar rungs but you had to go up, diagonally, to some platform. That would be way more entertaining than the SSL IMO. Regardless, the obstacle should go. Stage 2 has way more potential than a stupid SSL + 1 Unstable Bridge board.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 15, 2014 7:16:32 GMT -5
1-3 No idea as I didn't ask. However, given by how many things were rejected (even with the original assumption that they knew the rules)... seems Inui and TBS would like to know as well. LOL!! Again, I didn't continue with this line of questioning as you could tell he's just as frustrated because he's trying hard to replace/revamp/reboot obstacles and are stopped. He is tired of getting yelled at for recycling old content when it's H&S that were pointing to old content going "see? no one got hurt on that you can use that". Lotsa facepalming going around.
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Post by Philip on Aug 15, 2014 8:00:41 GMT -5
1-3 No idea as I didn't ask. However, given by how many things were rejected (even with the original assumption that they knew the rules)... seems Inui and TBS would like to know as well. LOL!! Again, I didn't continue with this line of questioning as you could tell he's just as frustrated because he's trying hard to replace/revamp/reboot obstacles and are stopped. He is tired of getting yelled at for recycling old content when it's H&S that were pointing to old content going "see? no one got hurt on that you can use that". Lotsa facepalming going around. How about they hire a different H&S department that isn't total crap lol
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Post by wolf4537 on Aug 15, 2014 9:58:18 GMT -5
I agree with most of the other people, just get rid of the obstacle overall. It's time for something new. As for the disqualification rule, I think it should go, but at the same time, they should just take away all the rungs after the competitor has flown the bar to another set of rungs.
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