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Post by kangaroo on Aug 19, 2014 15:58:28 GMT -5
Derek Nakamoto; Epic Failed Silk Slider (digest)(why?!)
I thought he was going to be an up and comer after his rookie year but he has not taken that next step I expected hopefully he has a better run next year
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 19, 2014 19:51:14 GMT -5
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Post by midoriyamanosaru on Aug 19, 2014 21:15:35 GMT -5
Just finished watching the first episode of Vegas Finals. I switched my DVR on Monday, and forgot to set the program to record. So had to watch the show at Esquire today. That was awesome.
Silk Slider? is an equalizer at 1st stage this time. And I noticed that they've tweaked Spinning Bridge. At 4th, it was too unstable. At the last competition, it was too stable. This time it's neither too unstable nor too stable. It's just right.
Can't wait to watch the latter half of the 1st stage.
PS: The Wolf Pack looking very sharp.
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Post by tbowman on Aug 19, 2014 22:17:02 GMT -5
No other thread necessary. It was referring to this episode and the Jumping Spider. It's called a discussion thread and this was on the minds of a lot of people before I even got online to say anything about it. Seriously folks, quick attacking people who disagree with you. It's an observation. I get that you are a historian and I get that the history of Sasuke is important to you (and a few others). As others have pointed out, however, it just seems you are making this way too complicated. NBC is very slowly and very gradually developing their own history of American Ninja Warrior. They are literally making it up as they go along. And it changes from season to season and episode to episode. It is what it is. From what I can tell, ANW "history" is becoming everything that happened from season 4 on. Season 4 (I believe) is when they stopped sending competitors to Japan and started building the entire finals course here in the states. It makes one's head spin if you want everything to fit in a box, but it makes total sense if you are trying to build a show and build a brand. NBC wants to own its own history. 99% of their viewers could care less what happened in Japan. I enjoy the history of Sasuke. I've read everything I can find, I've read your blog, and I've watched as many old shows as I can find. But I could give a rip about what the ANW announcers say during an episode. Anyway, I agree with what some others have said. It's not that difficult to figure out. Japan is almost completely irrelevant to ANW history. They will claim Sasuke history as it applies to seasons 1-3 when convenient, and pretend that history does not exist when it is not convenient. Can we move on now? |
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Post by kangaroo on Aug 19, 2014 22:25:43 GMT -5
Nice break down and extra information |
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Post by vaughngk on Aug 19, 2014 22:46:53 GMT -5
Dustin Mckliny is from Miami not Venice
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Post by guy4815162342 on Aug 20, 2014 0:38:49 GMT -5
Also Mario Mendoza was a wildcard. |
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Post by baronbk on Aug 20, 2014 1:27:06 GMT -5
Yup, another stage 1 fail. Made a mental mistake that maybe I wouldn't have made if I ran earlier than 4:30 am haha. I also agree that the Kacy hype is too much, but I guess it's good for ANW? I just feel it detracts more from the other women, as opposed to boosting Kacy too much.
Btw, someone showed me my Sasukewiki, and oh man is it bad! lol
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Post by arsenette on Aug 20, 2014 8:30:10 GMT -5
No other thread necessary. It was referring to this episode and the Jumping Spider. It's called a discussion thread and this was on the minds of a lot of people before I even got online to say anything about it. Seriously folks, quick attacking people who disagree with you. It's an observation. I get that you are a historian and I get that the history of Sasuke is important to you (and a few others). You are asking us to bury our head in the sand.. the answer is no. The "few others" is a lot more than you think they are and the whole point of discussion is actually that. Quit trying to stifle opinion because it bugs you that NBC is not even firm on their own history. Also, the attack on me specifically is getting out of hand. I was the LAST person to discuss this after a couple of pages of it being discussed but I'm the one singled out? Defensive much? The point of tolerance is to allow speech that is contrary. We are making an observation and we are attacked. Did you stop to think that this "99% of ANW fans don't care" is not accurate? It isn't I can assure you that. Just take a second and look through twitter when Megan ran and see how many Luci support tweets were there. These were from Ninja Warrior fans who saw her feat on G4 (which is still recent). You are expecting us to somehow ignore even American history for what.. the sake of NBC retconning? It's already bad when they do that to other competitors from ANW5. This is hardly a Sasuke/ANW thing anymore.. it's already ANW/ANW year to year. And worth discussing in a thread about the episode we just saw. |
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Post by greenday61892 on Aug 20, 2014 9:03:36 GMT -5
I get that you are a historian and I get that the history of Sasuke is important to you (and a few others). You are asking us to bury our head in the sand.. the answer is no. The "few others" is a lot more than you think they are and the whole point of discussion is actually that. Quit trying to stifle opinion because it bugs you that NBC is not even firm on their own history. Also, the attack on me specifically is getting out of hand. I was the LAST person to discuss this after a couple of pages of it being discussed but I'm the one singled out? Defensive much? The point of tolerance is to allow speech that is contrary. We are making an observation and we are attacked. Did you stop to think that this "99% of ANW fans don't care" is not accurate? It isn't I can assure you that. Just take a second and look through twitter when Megan ran and see how many Luci support tweets were there. These were from Ninja Warrior fans who saw her feat on G4 (which is still recent). You are expecting us to somehow ignore even American history for what.. the sake of NBC retconning? It's already bad when they do that to other competitors from ANW5. This is hardly a Sasuke/ANW thing anymore.. it's already ANW/ANW year to year. And worth discussing in a thread about the episode we just saw. Because you are EASILY the most overly vocal about the whole thing. The "few others" maybe be more than we think but not a LOT more much further past this hardcore fanbase. We're not trying to "stifle" opinion, we're trying to get it to a central thread because this HAS been taking over almost every single damn thread and it needs its own place so the people who AREN'T getting worked up over something that really isn't as big a deal as you and others have been making it out to be can discuss the other aspects of the show for a change. You seem to not realize that this fanbase you're saying is so vital to the show is actually a TINY sliver of the show's fanbase. The fact of the matter is that the casual fanbase is what drives the ratings whether you like it or not so trying to act elitist about the whole show is not doing anyone ANY favors. |
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Post by arsenette on Aug 20, 2014 9:31:07 GMT -5
Because you are EASILY the most overly vocal about the whole thing. The "few others" maybe be more than we think but not a LOT more much further past this hardcore fanbase. We're not trying to "stifle" opinion, we're trying to get it to a central thread because this HAS been taking over almost every single damn thread and it needs its own place so the people who AREN'T getting worked up over something that really isn't as big a deal as you and others have been making it out to be can discuss the other aspects of the show for a change. You seem to not realize that this fanbase you're saying is so vital to the show is actually a TINY sliver of the show's fanbase. The fact of the matter is that the casual fanbase is what drives the ratings whether you like it or not so trying to act elitist about the whole show is not doing anyone ANY favors. Thanks for clarifying that his is all against me and not anyone else in the board. My single opinion is enough to rock your world. Despite the fact that I can count literally 2 times in the entire 12 weeks the show has been on the air. Thanks for the objectivity. |
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Post by greenday61892 on Aug 20, 2014 9:43:35 GMT -5
Because you are EASILY the most overly vocal about the whole thing. The "few others" maybe be more than we think but not a LOT more much further past this hardcore fanbase. We're not trying to "stifle" opinion, we're trying to get it to a central thread because this HAS been taking over almost every single damn thread and it needs its own place so the people who AREN'T getting worked up over something that really isn't as big a deal as you and others have been making it out to be can discuss the other aspects of the show for a change. You seem to not realize that this fanbase you're saying is so vital to the show is actually a TINY sliver of the show's fanbase. The fact of the matter is that the casual fanbase is what drives the ratings whether you like it or not so trying to act elitist about the whole show is not doing anyone ANY favors. Thanks for clarifying that his is all against me and not anyone else in the board. My single opinion is enough to rock your world. Despite the fact that I can count literally 2 times in the entire 12 weeks the show has been on the air. Thanks for the objectivity. Yeah ok, if you only care to watch 2 times so far this season, why do you complain about it so much? |
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Post by arsenette on Aug 20, 2014 10:17:00 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying that his is all against me and not anyone else in the board. My single opinion is enough to rock your world. Despite the fact that I can count literally 2 times in the entire 12 weeks the show has been on the air. Thanks for the objectivity. Yeah ok, if you only care to watch 2 times so far this season, why do you complain about it so much? Why do you care what my viewing habits are? Are you scared I'm going to irreparably harm your own viewing habits? I don't blog about it, I only respond when I see it on my twitter feed and I post every single ANW related news and ratings information for the benefit of the community. You are telling me to STFU because you don't like me. You expect me to stay quiet about it? I'm sick and tired of being singled out in the infrequent amount of time that my gender is being slandered. I was standing up for Luci who kicked a** in Ninja Warrior and NBC chose it fit to destroy simply because it didn't fit with their reversioning of history. I actually like Luci personally and would continue to support her even if it's she's not the flavor of the month. I consider myself a loyal fan regardless. |
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Post by greenday61892 on Aug 20, 2014 10:25:11 GMT -5
Yeah ok, if you only care to watch 2 times so far this season, why do you complain about it so much? Why do you care what my viewing habits are? Are you scared I'm going to irreparably harm your own viewing habits? I don't blog about it, I only respond when I see it on my twitter feed and I post every single ANW related news and ratings information for the benefit of the community. You are telling me to STFU because you don't like me. You expect me to stay quiet about it? I'm sick and tired of being singled out in the infrequent amount of time that my gender is being slandered. I was standing up for Luci who kicked a** in Ninja Warrior and NBC chose it fit to destroy simply because it didn't fit with their reversioning of history. I actually like Luci personally and would continue to support her even if it's she's not the flavor of the month. I consider myself a loyal fan regardless. Wow, ok. First of all no I don't think your lack of viewing with "irreparably harm" my own viewing habits. I'm not telling you to STFU because I don't like you, I'm telling you to take it to a central thread because it's getting quite tiresome how this debate takes over practically every single ANW thread and consumes all other discussion about the show. Quite frankly, this is the main reason why I have so few posts in the amount of time I've been a member of this board, because you AND THE OTHERS who seem to do nothing but complain about ANW is making it not fun to post here. Your gender is not getting slandered, and it's been pointed out to you multiple times IN THIS VERY THREAD why they are doing what they are doing to differentiate their history. They are not attacking Luci's accomplishments, they are DIFFERENTIATING. How is this so hard to grasp?! |
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Post by arsenette on Aug 20, 2014 10:35:41 GMT -5
Why do you care what my viewing habits are? Are you scared I'm going to irreparably harm your own viewing habits? I don't blog about it, I only respond when I see it on my twitter feed and I post every single ANW related news and ratings information for the benefit of the community. You are telling me to STFU because you don't like me. You expect me to stay quiet about it? I'm sick and tired of being singled out in the infrequent amount of time that my gender is being slandered. I was standing up for Luci who kicked a** in Ninja Warrior and NBC chose it fit to destroy simply because it didn't fit with their reversioning of history. I actually like Luci personally and would continue to support her even if it's she's not the flavor of the month. I consider myself a loyal fan regardless. Wow, ok. First of all no I don't think your lack of viewing with "irreparably harm" my own viewing habits. I'm not telling you to STFU because I don't like you, I'm telling you to take it to a central thread because it's getting quite tiresome how this debate takes over practically every single ANW thread and consumes all other discussion about the show. Quite frankly, this is the main reason why I have so few posts in the amount of time I've been a member of this board, because you AND THE OTHERS who seem to do nothing but complain about ANW is making it not fun to post here. Your gender is not getting slandered, and it's been pointed out to you multiple times IN THIS VERY THREAD why they are doing what they are doing to differentiate their history. They are not attacking Luci's accomplishments, they are DIFFERENTIATING. How is this so hard to grasp?! You lack the ability to say "I respectfully disagree" as I've been saying. I made one comment and it ballooned simply because of "who" I apparently am. Last time I checked I'm a middle aged housewife that writes a blog about Sasuke. However, it's increasingly clear that those who keep attacking me aren't interested in dissenting point of view. Even if it's shared by thousands around the world. Curious. Do you go after EVERYONE? Nope. Just me. So I take exception to that. I only say anything when it comes to the gender race that NBC is doing. First nixing all history of the Japanese women on obstacles. Now they did with an American on obstacles because as far as they are concerned Sasuke is American and nothing ever existed on those obstacles before they took over. Those obstacles have a history and NBC is doing their damnest to make everyone believe that it only existed for 3 years. The only reason why "history is being made" is because those obstacles have been firmly intrenched in Sasuke lore for over a decade and posed a significant barrier to my gender in specific. Notice the tone that NBC puts on. It's not historical unless a Sasuke obstacle has been passed by one of their own. Luci is not one of their own and they felt it was important to retcon their history. The only reason anyone is upset is because they are tired of hearing the CHANTS. Not just from me, but from thousands of other Ninja Warrior viewers who remember Luci. It was all over twitter AND Facebook well before I said anything about it. I didn't watch the episode last night. I haven't watched more than just clips in over 3 years (only exception was the USA vs. Japan). I take exception to the fact that in order for your world to be okay you have to shut up the voices of dissension. WE toook exception to what happened to Luci's feats. The only reason why the Jumping Spider was even relevant is because it was Sasuke and EVERYONE KNEW IT. Otherwise, no one would give a damn about a history that's only 3 years old. Something that "short" isn't history breaking. Every show would be history. It's only epic when relying on the viewer's memories of a show that existed before for it to have any sort of weight. In which case, it's relevant and the POINT of the dissension. Not just mine. |
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Post by SuperTiger on Aug 20, 2014 10:41:44 GMT -5
In Arsentte's defense, I know I, as well as a good few number of people on this forum have the same views that she is expressing. At least in my case, the only reason I've stayed quiet until this point was because I simply pointed out NBC ignored Luci and then revisit the thread to see, "THIS IS ANW" *shakes fist* which ultimately became a deterrent for me posting on the subject matter.
Arsenette is correct, the tiny sliver you are referring to is much higher than people think it is. There were a multitude of tweets concerning Luci and other women who cleared the JS Monday night. Is it the minority? Yes, but people are recognizing NBC's omission of past history and they do not like it at all.
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Post by greenday61892 on Aug 20, 2014 10:47:43 GMT -5
You keep mentioning attacks on "who you are" yet I have yet to see someone specify ANYTHING about your identity in this entire argument.
You also keep saying I'm trying to shut you up for dissenting WHICH IS NOT TRUE HOLY F***. When is asking you to make a thread specifically for this so that other conversations can happen the same thing as telling you to shut up completely?! GOD. You need to stop warping what I say and putting words in my mouth to fit your argument and turn it into something it isn't.
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Post by RobbyMac on Aug 20, 2014 11:03:28 GMT -5
Some people on here have personal vendettas against NBC. I personally don't care because I can clearly see they are talking about American Ninja Warrior, not American Ninja Challenge nor Sasuke. The combined stats from AMerica vs Japan were all from competitors who qualified for Sasuke through ANW not by a video posting contest. If that's so hard to see and understand I'm not going to try to make anyone think differently. And as for Greenday, that last statement, that's how women argue. Get used to it.
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Post by acw on Aug 20, 2014 11:04:11 GMT -5
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Post by TCM on Aug 20, 2014 11:08:38 GMT -5
OK, this was getting a little ridiculous. (Long post)
As a longtime poster with an opinion about ANW:
They need more consistent wording. Yes, ANC is different from the original ANW concept which is different from what ANW is today. In my opinion, saying that because names/concepts in the show are different so the histories don't matter makes no sense. The show, no matter what form it has taken has always blended history together. Both from within its own shows and Sasuke. ANW is clearly no longer a trial to go to Japan. They've re-created the course, they've localized where the competitors end up. But they still reference Japan's Midoriyama, just not as explicitly anymore, and that's evident in spades. Never mind listing people as "x-time Midoriyama veteran" regardless of what version of Midoriyama it was, they now have two specials about the US (and "Europe") facing competitors from Japan's Midoriyama. That alone means they still acknowledge Sasuke. Just because they no longer say "three men have achieved total victory, but none of them American" doesn't mean I have to buy into it. The whole point of sending Americans to Midoriyama is that, no matter what the show ends up becoming. I don't give NBC a break when it's something they can take the time to fix but choose not to. We don't ignore the history of the American Professional Football Association just because it was renamed into the National Football League. We don't ignore American Football League accomplishments because it's now the AFC.
Just in this very same episode, they've explicitly said when a particular accomplishment is ANW-specific. I know for a fact they used the wording "in ANW history" during the broadcast. The problem? When they aired another accomplishment actually being made (Megan clearing the Jumping Spider), and I have to re-watch to make sure this is true, though I'm about 90% sure, they didn't use that wording or any allusion to that wording. So yeah, it seems like they've ignored/forgotten Luci Romberg, representing the US (via G4 by way of NBCUniversal, AKA NBC) beating the damn thing before there ever was a thought of putting Midoriyama in Vegas. It shouldn't be so damn hard to say "Megan was the first female to complete the Jumping Spider in ANW history/National Finals/Vegas." She wasn't the first one ever in the history of the obstacle (I don't think anyone here was saying that). The sanctity of the show will not be compromised if they consistently add a few extra words when applicable.
Now, Megan beating the Half-Pipe Attack, that's a first in any rendition of Midoriyama and they can yell that to the end of time (I don't think I'm wrong about that). The fact that Matt Iseman, who we can agree is the voice of ANW, is acknowledging it proves that it's not just one person. To stay consistent with my NFL example, the NFL explicitly makes sure when an accomplishment is NFL-specific, AFC/NFC-specific or team specific. They even note if the broken record was a part of the merged history. Is it too much to ask for ANW to have the same magnifying glass? After all, ANW loves to refer to itself as a sport. So, in my opinion, we should treat its history with the same respect and scrutiny when someone from the NFL gets it wrong.
And on top of all that, as big as ANW is, it's still just a board on a forum that is primarily about Sasuke. ANW will always be the sister show of Sasuke whether it wants to be or not. ANW would never have been a thing if not for Sasuke. Sasuke respects ANW, ANW should do the same.
As a mod of this forum (and this is just my opinion and isn't indicative of what the others think):
It is a little hypocritical to get bent out of shape and ask for mod assistance about a topic that has been and was relevant to the episode yet express no such outrage when people were just openly talking about wild cards not officially mentioned by the show during the "Best of" episode, or situations of the like such as spoiling like mad. If you don't wish to talk about a topic (and it's not breaking a rule), you either ignore it and/or change the subject.
You don't willingly debate it then claim mods are needed when you don't want to anymore. It is not spam. It is not breaking a rule. If you want to have a centralized area, create the thread yourself and the mods will move posts if possible. Otherwise, bring in quotes from the thread. You can use the "BBCode" setting to copy the quote and can post said quote literally to any thread.
It also is straight up wrong to use a topic as an excuse to simply voice your displeasure with a person. Do I think people have dumb opinions on things? Do I think things can be said in a less confrontational manner? Sure. But you also don't see me doing the text equivalent of sighing "Here we go again" and involving yourself as if you are being inconvenienced (or at least not often). Every single time, it has been people who feign offense when the easiest thing to do is straight up ignore it if you can't bring yourself to have a healthy conversation about it.
If you can't find something better to talk about, in my opinion, that's on the poster. I know that if particular people decided to leave, this forum as a whole would become a hell of a lot less informed. Does that mean particular people are immune from criticism, no. No one is immune to criticism, no matter the level of informed they are on a topic. If you have a personal problem with someone, be an adult and confront them in private. Don't hide behind bulls**t that you may not actually want to defend. You're fine to disagree with me. But if you don't want to do so in actual debate and instead want to be angry and b**** and whine on the Internet, don't waste my time, or yours.
EDIT: I referenced an example I forgot to include because I originally had it somewhere else in the post, but deleted it because I was going to put it elsewhere. I forgot to do that, it's there now.
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