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Post by greenday61892 on Aug 19, 2014 7:04:12 GMT -5
....what are you talking about?
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Post by arsenette on Aug 19, 2014 7:13:26 GMT -5
....what are you talking about? The fact that NBC retconned their own history (when Luci was sent to Sasuke via G4 and passed the Jumping Spider) in order to trump up the current season. In the past when I asked Matt Iseman why they were doing that he said because it's "AMERICAN Ninja Warrior" and the accomplishments of the Japanese didn't count.. Now it seems their own Americans didn't count either even if it was during the G4 days. Why have Luci on their show at all? She is a nobody according to them now. It's frustrating.
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Post by phrozunsun on Aug 19, 2014 7:51:01 GMT -5
As for the Kacy coverage, it should really come as no surprise, that's what most people want to see. Just look at the view count of the most popular videos on ANW's youtube page. The real question is more of a chicken and egg - is she getting promo'ed hard because of all the youtube views, or is she getting all the youtube views because she's being promo'ed so hard? Personally, I think it's the latter. Not to mention, that video got the **** promoted out of it. I posted one thing about Kevin Bull's amazing run on FB, and all of a sudden, I got paid content for Kacy EVERYWHERE. Someone at NBC is optimizing their ad-spend on FB/Youtube...
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Post by greenday61892 on Aug 19, 2014 8:42:39 GMT -5
....what are you talking about? The fact that NBC retconned their own history (when Luci was sent to Sasuke via G4 and passed the Jumping Spider) in order to trump up the current season. In the past when I asked Matt Iseman why they were doing that he said because it's "AMERICAN Ninja Warrior" and the accomplishments of the Japanese didn't count.. Now it seems their own Americans didn't count either even if it was during the G4 days. Why have Luci on their show at all? She is a nobody according to them now. It's frustrating. Yeah that's all well and good except she wasn't sent to Japan as part of American Ninja Warrior. Just like they're not counting the history of the ANC as far as I know.... they're STILL separate shows and I still don't understand why this is a debate.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 19, 2014 9:26:22 GMT -5
It's a shame two of our forum members were defeated in stage 1 and loved Michael Breanado 's back slap of Ryan Stratis and his problem at the half- pike attack was comical still glad he cleared though! 3 members went down in stage 1 (Brian Kretch/Baronbk, Karson Voiles/Kninja and James McGrath/whothehellami) but we do have SMF representation in Stage 2 (Ryan Stratis/Straticus)
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 19, 2014 9:27:50 GMT -5
The fact that NBC retconned their own history (when Luci was sent to Sasuke via G4 and passed the Jumping Spider) in order to trump up the current season. In the past when I asked Matt Iseman why they were doing that he said because it's "AMERICAN Ninja Warrior" and the accomplishments of the Japanese didn't count.. Now it seems their own Americans didn't count either even if it was during the G4 days. Why have Luci on their show at all? She is a nobody according to them now. It's frustrating. Yeah that's all well and good except she wasn't sent to Japan as part of American Ninja Warrior. Just like they're not counting the history of the ANC as far as I know.... they're STILL separate shows and I still don't understand why this is a debate. Exactly, she went through American Ninja Challenge, technically it didn't happen in ANW
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Post by arsenette on Aug 19, 2014 10:17:47 GMT -5
Soooooo.. your now picking and choosing what counts? Geez I feel bad for Luci Romberg and all the other Americans that went through G4. They're insignificant.
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Post by Philip on Aug 19, 2014 10:34:05 GMT -5
Soooooo.. your now picking and choosing what counts? Geez I feel bad for Luci Romberg and all the other Americans that went through G4. They're insignificant. No they are not, but as Rider said ANC and ANW are different things... Luci was the first woman in Sasuke to beat the JS, and Meagan just became the first woman in ANW to beat the JS.
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Post by arsenette on Aug 19, 2014 10:58:00 GMT -5
Soooooo.. your now picking and choosing what counts? Geez I feel bad for Luci Romberg and all the other Americans that went through G4. They're insignificant. No they are not, but as Rider said ANC and ANW are different things... Luci was the first woman in Sasuke to beat the JS, and Meagan just became the first woman in ANW to beat the JS. This is the problem. There was no delineation as to which. The previous arguments were "waaa they were Japanese and they weren't G4 Americans".. now it's a American, paid for by Comcast in a show that spawned ANW. Without ANC you had no ANW. Furthermore you had Luci that was in BOTH shows so you can't even argue that. So why do it for Luci now? When doing a blanket statement on an obstacle without explaining which show it is does not preclude them from criticism. They got heat for doing that with the Warped Wall and the ONLY explanation was "she was Japanese". Now that doesn't apply unless it happened THIS year and THIS year alone. That's infuriating. I wonder how Luci feels about her accomplishments pretty much stripped. I'm going to hold you guys to how they mix the two shows together in September when the Special airs on NBC. I want to see how many times people have been to "Mount Midoriyama" this time. We all already know what happened the last time (which continues to cause anger about how they pick and chose when a show is added/subtracted). THIS is the reason why "we" show up when they retcon people's accomplishments from the show. New people are probably thinking "wait.. you mean others actually did this before? That's news to me". I had a whole ROOM full of those in June. It's confusing as all hell.
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Post by RobbyMac on Aug 19, 2014 11:00:09 GMT -5
They digested James. Seriously? SERIOUSLY?!? Also, is it just me, or does nearly every person they show have some sort of "trademark"? Probably because he was cursing and caling bulls**t on the silk slider after he failed it. I like the slider, it's actually a challenge.
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 19, 2014 11:50:42 GMT -5
THEY
MEAN
ON
AMERICAN
NINJA
WARRIOR
(Not sasuke)
Luci is not NBC's "history". This does not need to be difficult. Mods, can we please do something about this? This has derailed every thread this season.
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Post by rsyoukilis20 on Aug 19, 2014 12:12:35 GMT -5
No they are not, but as Rider said ANC and ANW are different things... Luci was the first woman in Sasuke to beat the JS, and Meagan just became the first woman in ANW to beat the JS. This is the problem. There was no delineation as to which. The previous arguments were "waaa they were Japanese and they weren't G4 Americans".. now it's a American, paid for by Comcast in a show that spawned ANW. Without ANC you had no ANW. Furthermore you had Luci that was in BOTH shows so you can't even argue that. So why do it for Luci now? When doing a blanket statement on an obstacle without explaining which show it is does not preclude them from criticism. They got heat for doing that with the Warped Wall and the ONLY explanation was "she was Japanese". Now that doesn't apply unless it happened THIS year and THIS year alone. That's infuriating. I wonder how Luci feels about her accomplishments pretty much stripped. I'm going to hold you guys to how they mix the two shows together in September when the Special airs on NBC. I want to see how many times people have been to "Mount Midoriyama" this time. We all already know what happened the last time (which continues to cause anger about how they pick and chose when a show is added/subtracted). THIS is the reason why "we" show up when they retcon people's accomplishments from the show. New people are probably thinking "wait.. you mean others actually did this before? That's news to me". I had a whole ROOM full of those in June. It's confusing as all hell. I just went and looked up and the exact quote from Matt Iseman to you addressing this same situation regarding Kacy and the warped wall, and nowhere did he ever say "they were Japanese" or "they weren't G4 Americans." You are twisting his words to suit your argument. Iseman couldn't have been more clear when he said "Mika did not compete in American Ninja Warrior. We reference historical events as they pertain to our competitors. You are the historian of Ninja Warrior as a whole, we are just trying to track what has been done by competitors on our show." The important part there is "what has been done by competitors ON OUR SHOW." That means on ANW. Romberg beat the Jumping Spider in Sasuke, but nobody had done it before in ANW before Meagan. Sure, Romberg was sent to Sasuke as part of ANC, but American Ninja Challenge is not American Ninja Warrior. Furthermore, you say "without ANC you had no ANW." Sure, but that's irrelevant. That doesn't change the fact that ANC is not ANW, and no woman had ever beaten the Jumping Spider on ANW. Saying "without ANC you had no ANW" is just like saying "without Family Guy you wouldn't have The Cleveland Show, so Family Guy and The Cleveland Show are the same show." Or, to use a better example, host Phil Koeghan announced that an Amazing Race winner was the first female/female team to ever win the Amazing Race. However, a female/female team had already won The Amazing Race Asia. What Phil said wasn't inaccurate, because they are two different shows, and he meant that a female/female team had never won the US version of The Amazing Race. This shouldn't still be an issue. If something hasn't happened yet on ANW, when it does happen it's going to be the first time it's happened on ANW. It's simple. If it happened on Sasuke, but not ANW, then it didn't happen on ANW. Still simple.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 19, 2014 12:21:51 GMT -5
I'm just glad a woman got passed the HPA. That's something NO GIRL has done
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Post by arsenette on Aug 19, 2014 13:00:00 GMT -5
I just went and looked up and the exact quote from Matt Iseman to you addressing this same situation regarding Kacy and the warped wall, and nowhere did he ever say "they were Japanese" or "they weren't G4 Americans." You are twisting his words to suit your argument. You didn't go back far enough. I've been talking to Matt about this for about 3 years (when ANW split from Sasuke) about the whole point of the retconning history to suit NBC's purposes. Feel free to follow that line of thought as it's all there. I'm not "twisting" anyone's words around and even Matt knows I'm don't do that, which is why he addresses me directly in the fashion that he does. If it were mean spirited he would ignore me altogether. Seeing the impact that is has on new ANW viewers that lack the Sasuke background they take EVERYTHING that NBC gives them as gospel when it's not. ANW 1-3's final WERE Sasuke and to omit that from it's history and only say that the only 4-6 count because it was NBC only is hypocritical. NBC can't figure out if it wants to keep the Japan history or omit it entirely THAT is why this comes up all the time. Again, when September rolls around and we get the ANW vs. the World and the whole how many times people have gone to Mount Midoriyama and include BOTH courses as if it's the same I want you guys to defend it then too. Luci beat the JS IN Mount Midoriyama. I don't care what iteration you want the show to have been, that is the course that she defeated the obstacle. It wasn't a trials. If you want to keep consistent using their logic Luci's clear should have stood. Period.
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Post by acw on Aug 19, 2014 13:05:30 GMT -5
Do you, like, know Matt personally (serious question)?
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Post by arsenette on Aug 19, 2014 13:17:34 GMT -5
Do you, like, know Matt personally (serious question)? Nope. He knows me because of my blog. A few years ago when Nagano was sent to the USA, he didn't know Nagano was coming (and we had a discussion about it). Lo and behold Nagano DID go and he tracked him down for me and posted a photo proving Nagano was there with a sign saying hi to me. Matt had no idea I knew he was coming and when he as an NBC employee didn't. It was then he realized what my blog was doing and respected that I wanted to know about the history of the show. He knows people read it. I haven't met him in person though.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Aug 19, 2014 13:21:18 GMT -5
The point is, when the TV episode is airing on TV, which is the only source of info for 99% of the viewership, and Matt says Meagan is the first woman to ever complete the JS, that leads the average viewer to believe that a woman has never completed the obstacle before anywhere, any time, and that they have witnessed some part of history themselves, which is something that is EXTREMELY valuable for a show when it comes to viewership.
But they are a little misleading, because they are not saying "the first woman to ever complete the JS on "our show" or "in our competition" or even "in the national finals (in Las Vegas)" they don't even need to reference Sasuke or anything like that. Right now they drum up Meagan's accomplishment as if the ANW viewership has just witnessed a historical event for women. That's sort of nice and all, but it's kind of stretching the truth when honestly there have been several women, American, Japanese, whatever, who have completed the obstacle before. I think that's what's a little annoying about it, the overdramatizing. That ANW is trying to make it so much bigger than it actually is. It's a good accomplishment, for sure, but like others have said, she managed to be the first woman to clear the HPA a few seconds later, so why even bother to make such a fuss over the JS when they could have over the HPA, something they really CAN claim to have over any other obstacle course?
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Post by tbowman on Aug 19, 2014 14:55:59 GMT -5
There really needs to be a dedicated thread to the topic of ANW "history". Thread after thread after thread being hijacked by inane ranting about something Matt said and how it's not quite accurate is maddening.
A dedicated thread would allow the 5 people who are obsessed with this topic to talk among themselves all they want.
Please mods?
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Post by arsenette on Aug 19, 2014 15:18:46 GMT -5
No other thread necessary. It was referring to this episode and the Jumping Spider. It's called a discussion thread and this was on the minds of a lot of people before I even got online to say anything about it. Seriously folks, quick attacking people who disagree with you. It's an observation.
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Post by thebobmaster on Aug 19, 2014 15:43:39 GMT -5
OK, to TRY to keep this on track (and to help the data gatherers), I'll list results. 1. Karsten Williams; Failed Silk Slider 2. Dustin McKinney; Failed Jumping Spider 3. Kevin Klein; Failed Spinning Bridge 4. Melanie Hunt; Failed Jumping Spider 5. Sam Sann; Failed Giant Ring 6. David Gilbert; Failed Silk Slider (digest) 7. Connor Moyer; Failed Jumping Spider (digest) 8. Brian Kretsch; Failed Spinning Bridge (digest)(sorry, baronbk) 9. Luciano Acuna, Jr.; Failed Silk Slider 10. Abel Gonzalez; Cleared Stage 1, 19.08 seconds remaining 11. Dan Entmacher; Failed Silk Slider (digest) 12. John Vogt; Failed Silk Slider (digest) 13. Joel Brady; Failed Jumping Spider (digest) 14. Andrew Lowes; Cleared Stage 1, 12.26 seconds remaining(redemption!) 15. Tremayne Dortch; Failed Jumping Spider (!) 16. Noel Reyes; Failed Silk Slider (digest) 17. Karson Voiles; Failed Jumping Spider (digest)(sorry, KNinja) 18. Travis Brewer; Failed Half Pipe Attack 19. Isaac Caldiero; Cleared Stage 1, 16.58 seconds remaining 20. James McGrath; Failed Silk Slider (!)(digest)(why?!) 21. Brandon Pannell; Failed Jumping Spider (digest) 22. Lance Pekus; Failed Jumping Spider 23. Joseph "Jo Jo" Bynum; Cleared Stage 1, 17.85 seconds remaining 24. Andrew Karsen; Failed Silk Slider (digest)(why?!) 25. Stephens Nunnally; Failed Jumping Spider (digest) 26. Amy Pajcic; Failed Jumping Spider 27. Ryan Stratis; Cleared Stage 1, 8.66 seconds remaining 28. Lorin Ball; Cleared Stage 1, 35.29 seconds remaining (WOW!) 29. Michelle Warnky; Failed Silk Slider 30. Dustin Rocho; Failed Silk Slider (digest) 31. Derek Nakamoto; Epic Failed Silk Slider (digest)(why?!) 32. Mario Mendoza; Failed Jumping Spider (digest) 33. Alex King; Failed Spinning Bridge (digest) 34. Travis Rosen; Cleared Stage 1, 17.73 seconds remaining 35. Solomon Harvey; Timed Out at Warped Wall 36. Noah Kaufman; Cleared Stage 1, 7.98 seconds remaining 37. Meagan Martin; Timed Out on Warped Wall 38. Joe Moravsky; Cleared Stage 1, 29.79 seconds remaining As a key, any results with an exclamation mark were shockers to me.
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