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Post by Oti on Jul 3, 2014 9:45:45 GMT -5
I mean, compared to some of the older first stages, this one is pretty mellow. It used to be a f***ing marathon. So I'm glad they toned it down a little bit. It's fun again.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 3, 2014 9:48:01 GMT -5
I mean, compared to some of the older first stages, this one is pretty mellow. It used to be a f***ing marathon. So I'm glad they toned it down a little bit. It's fun again. I must agree with you there. After Nagano achieved total victory the course became so much like a marathon that dragged... now you might be able to SEE the end... O.O
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jul 3, 2014 9:49:56 GMT -5
Of course they enjoy it. I'm not trying to come off selfish when I say I want them to stop. I just would prefer them to be remembered as legends instead of washed up. It's cool to see them still giving it their all, and ultimately it's obviously their decision. Clearly I'm not the first one to advocate this, Inui and whoever else felt the same way in 28.
The first stage is also definitely easier. I'm not even complaining. I know they could make it harder, and they probably want more runs in the 2nd and 3rd Stage. But it's not as impressive to clear it like it was from 18-27.
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Post by OZ Ninja Dean on Jul 3, 2014 9:51:32 GMT -5
First live broadcast for me and apart from the stream troubles at times (mainly problems on my end) it was awesome! I don't understand a lick of Japanese but that really doesn't matter, I much prefer it over the Ninja Warrior cut up.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 3, 2014 9:51:52 GMT -5
too true and the very few clears from SASUKE 5-6. But still I do sometimes miss the loads of clears so as we have chances for our favorites to shine.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 3, 2014 9:52:36 GMT -5
First live broadcast for me and apart from the stream troubles at times (mainly problems on my end) it was awesome! I don't understand a lick of Japanese but that really doesn't matter, I much prefer it over the Ninja Warrior cut up. I barely know Japanese either and I love SASUKE as SASUKE! So much fun! Was a fun ride! Glad I stayed awake for it all.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 3, 2014 9:54:03 GMT -5
Of course they enjoy it. I'm not trying to come off selfish when I say I want them to stop. I just would prefer them to be remembered as legends instead of washed up. It's cool to see them still giving it their all, and ultimately it's obviously their decision. Clearly I'm not the first one to advocate this, Inui and whoever else felt the same way in 28. The first stage is also definitely easier. I'm not even complaining. I know they could make it harder, and they probably want more runs in the 2nd and 3rd Stage. But it's not as impressive to clear it like it was from 18-27. Understood and you are correct that Inui was emphatic that they go. It blew up in his face though because the large majority of the viewers and even competitors resisted it fiercely. I understood why he wanted it that way but he miscalculated. TBS failed under M9 to make the new guys more personable. Dropping the All-stars to try to raise the others wasn't the answer either. In all though it lit a fire up their a**es to stop phoning it in though and they have better results because of it. Still though, they find it fun and want to keep going. It's sorta like those who want people to retire when they are on top. Others don't care even if you see the slow decline that's inevitable. Matty you aren't the only one that wants them to stay on top. Just in SMF you will be in the minority
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Post by TCM on Jul 3, 2014 9:55:54 GMT -5
I'm fine with the 30 second time limit for the longer Final, I'm just not that big a fan of what they use for the Spider Climb. At least paint it yellow or something.
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Post by OZ Ninja Dean on Jul 3, 2014 9:56:32 GMT -5
First live broadcast for me and apart from the stream troubles at times (mainly problems on my end) it was awesome! I don't understand a lick of Japanese but that really doesn't matter, I much prefer it over the Ninja Warrior cut up. I barely know Japanese either and I love SASUKE as SASUKE! So much fun! Was a fun ride! Glad I stayed awake for it all. That's the ONE benefit I get by living in Australia. It was basically prime time here, done just before midnight. I feel your pain though, I regularly stay up until the early hours or I am waking up that early, for the many sporting events held around the northern hemisphere.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 3, 2014 9:56:53 GMT -5
Honestly with only one obstacle changed everyone was more ready for stage 1. I had to work (still there) but saw a few runs on my phone but I know the notable results but yeah the familiar s1 with minor changes make everyone prepared, look at how Darvish Kenji was killing it up until the end, stage 1 needs updating
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Post by Oti on Jul 3, 2014 10:02:31 GMT -5
I don't think you're being selfish, but I do think you view these things differently than the majority of Sasuke-lovers. I understand what you're saying, but they ARE legends. They always will be, despite how they do, hence the ridiculous amount of respect and love they receive every competition. Even Yamada is highly praised and respected, and I honestly can't remember the last time he did well. They're just having fun. It doesn't affect their shine or status and it doesn't make them look old and washed up. Again, I can see your logic. I just don't agree with you.
I also feel your comparison is poorly formed. The higher-ups tried to get the all-stars out in order to 1. distance the new Sasuke from the old one and 2. help new talent/new faces come in. I really doubt they thought to themselves, "Gee guys, maybe it's time we put those old dogs down..."
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Post by arsenette on Jul 3, 2014 10:15:02 GMT -5
Btw I know a few new people here but I'm still elated that an SMF member passed the first stage on his very first try! Congratulations shuhuqua!
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Post by zdude69closedrofl on Jul 3, 2014 10:23:03 GMT -5
Also, I'm SO relieved that the Rope Ladder is gone and replaced with a final obstacle that's much more believable and substantial to the Stage 1 finale feeling. Seriously, Rope Ladder has always been a chore to watch.
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Post by Words Might Have Ate on Jul 3, 2014 10:55:29 GMT -5
TBS should Add flying chute before tarzan rope in future ninja warrior to save sasuke first stage.
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Post by detroitlolcat on Jul 3, 2014 11:42:05 GMT -5
I was very pleased with this SASUKE, I think it's clearly the best of the RISING era (although 28 was very nice too). Here's a "review" of sorts:
The First Stage has definitely gotten easier. The field of competitors may be stronger than in years past, but this First Stage was a joke compared to the ones from the Shin-SASUKE and even Kanzen Renewal eras. It wasn't as exciting to watch as First Stages past because there weren't many places for competitors to fail. The only obstacle that even slightly frightened me was the Jump Hang Kai, and it's not nearly as frightening as something like the Spin Bridge, Jumping Spider, or even the Half-Pipe Attack. The time limit was also very lenient, but it's difficult to predict exactly how long you expect competitors to take so I can understand erring on the side of caution. The Log Grip and Ni Ren Soritatsu Kabe have overstayed their welcome in my opinion; I'd like to see just one Kabe and a more difficult obstacle like the Spin Bridge in the future.
The First Stage was fair and there wasn't anything wrong with the obstacles, but it just wasn't exciting. If a competitor completes the Jump Hang Kai with any reasonable amount of time left they're certain to pass. If something like the Circle Slider or Spin Bridge was between the Kabe and the Tarzan Rope, it would make the stage much more fun to watch.
The Second Stage was great, although I really hate the SSL's stupid rule (we all know what I'm talking about). The time limit was perfect as well. The SSL is by far the worst of the three iterations of the SL in my opinion. Some of the most exciting SL attempts came from when a competitor skewed the bar, and this version of the SL takes that away. It's especially silly that you're disqualified if you try to swing from rung 2 to rung 3 and end up on rung 1 (since when is moving backwards on an obstacle grounds for disqualification?). Really, I'd like to see the return of the DSL, maybe with the ladders lined up so you have to move upward when transitioning. The Backstream, while fair this time, isn't a good obstacle. It doesn't make the stage that much harder and there are plenty of better time-burning obstacles (14-17 Metal Spin, Balance Tank come to mind). It's just so out of place on SASUKE (Lifeguards? Failing SASUKE by swallowing too much water?) and I'm not sure why they insist on keeping it. Other than those two obstacles, I loved this stage. The Cross Slider is lethal, the time limit is perfect, the Wall Lifting is fixed (HUGE props to TBS for making the Wall Lifting fearsome again), and the Spider Drop is cool.
The Third Stage is okay. Better than the one in 29 and miles better than the one in 27. It still feels like "Cliffhanger and Pals". All 9 of the Stage 3 participants made it to the Cliffhanger, and it's pretty clear that all of the first three obstacles are made to sap your strength before the Cliffhanger. In the 28-30 era, every competitor that has made the Third Stage has made it to the Crazy Cliffhanger. In the old days, obstacles like the Body Prop and even Globe Grasp could easily cause you to fall early in the stage. While Stage Three is known for strength-draining obstacles, I'd like to see at least one obstacle before the Cliffhanger actually take somebody out. I'm also no fan of the CCH, in my opinion it's one of the three worst obstacles in SASUKE. It's just as much a test of body weight as it is strength. Heavier competitors have such a disadvantage on that obstacle that I almost looked away during Drew's run because I felt it so unlikely that he would pass. The back half of the Third Stage is intense though. As was the Final.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 3, 2014 12:29:29 GMT -5
The SSL dq rule was known by 29 when people got dq'd for that? Are people calling BS now because of some of the people screwed by it? (Or did someone end up both sides down instead oof one end up and one down? Haven't actually SEEN the runs yet
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 3, 2014 12:32:36 GMT -5
oh there were SSL dq's alright... it won't be good once you find out who was included...
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 3, 2014 12:44:09 GMT -5
Also, I'm SO relieved that the Rope Ladder is gone and replaced with a final obstacle that's much more believable and substantial to the Stage 1 finale feeling. Seriously, Rope Ladder has always been a chore to watch. I gotta agree with ya. the rope ladder was a huge time killer...
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Post by jfeathe on Jul 3, 2014 13:07:59 GMT -5
ACK! For some reason spoilers won't work. I have some spoilers so if you don't want to be spoiled, don't read!!
I was very pleased overall with Sasuke 30. After my disappointment with Sasuke 28 and 29 I had low expectations; fortunately, my expectations were far surpassed and I was generally very pleased with many of the broadcasting and course decisions.
I really liked the first stage. Still not crazy at all about the Double Warped Wall. I say replace the first one with a brand new fun obstacle. Besides that, I thought the time limit was fair, and it gave that classic Sasuke feeling that anyone who was fit, focused, and determined had a fair shot. We had a woman reach the half-way obstacle and a few out-of-nowhere competitors got to try the Double Warped Wall and even Lumberjack Climb. I'm glad for the new final obstacle since the Final Climb (Tarzan Rope / Rope Ladder) was getting very old. Overall, a huge departure from the crap shoot that was Sasuke 28's first stage.
The second stage has begun to return to something that is recognizable. After the absurd time limit in 28 followed by the even more absurd time cut in 29, I had almost lost hope for the second stage. However, there were still a few things that annoyed me. The DQ rule for the Swap Salmon Ladder that apparently has been in effect all this time is beyond ridiculous. I couldn't see a single reason how missing the rung should stop the run especially since every other Salmon Ladder version was full of missed jumps. Mercifully, the Backstream was toned down, but it still has zero place in Sasuke. It breaks the flow completely. The Metal Spin or even Reverse Conveyor belt would be a welcome obstacle to take its place. The Spider Drop was fine with me. It's a creative take on the Spider Walk that we've seen in almost every Sasuke. The time limit was much more reasonable.
I'm glad to see another very well designed new obstacle in the third stage. My only gripe is that the Iron Paddler and Drum Hopper seem slightly too similar to be placed back-to-back. Furthermore, the Crazy Cliffhanger and Vertical Limit also seem a bit too similar to be placed back to back. If the Crazy Cliffhanger and Drum Hopper switched places, I think the third stage would flow slightly better.
I enjoyed the final stage and I'm actually ok with the time limit. Ryo was extremely close and he definitely could have been better on the Spider Climb. If he had done a Nagano-level Spider Climb along with his incredible Rope Climb and still came up short, then I'd call for a time increase. However, he had a slip and a rough transition, so it sadly cost him Total Victory. It's still incredibly impressive that he managed to clear the 5-17 version's height on his first try.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 3, 2014 13:13:02 GMT -5
yeah the backstream should go. SSL should be updated so as that doesn't happen, and yeah we need a few more... creative obstacles in stage 3. Stage 1, the long jump isn't lethal anymore nor is the double warped wall. Keep the second wall but bring an old obstacle back or make a new one.
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