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Post by arsenette on Jun 3, 2014 14:58:51 GMT -5
I'm just glad that regardless of NBC's wording we can all agree that what Kacy did last night was an amazing accomplishment. I agree that I would prefer if NBC wouldn't ignore Sasuke history, but I think part of the blame has to fall on TBS for allowing it to continue over multiple seasons. I don't have twitter, but with Vegas being filmed next week maybe someone should tell Matt Iseman that a woman has already cleared stage 1 as well just to be safe. Maybe reiterate the Kane Kosugi fact too since I have a feeling this could be the year someone gets to the final stage. LOL Given how Matt always calls me the Sasuke historian and the many times over the past few years he and I have talked via twitter (including the famous Nagano photo he posted when I told him he was there .. LOL) he knows that not all the history is correct. I applaud him trying to keep it straight. He's pinned in a corner though because he truly is a fan of this show he hosts but NBC gives him false information. Matt being the front man and the first to be sent nationwide promoting the show he has to answer for some of NBC's notoriously false edits and statements. I feel bad for the guy. At least I know he's trying. Hey even if someone wins this year then they don't have to tiptoe around "no American has ever beaten all four stages". I will openly cringe if they say he's now the 5th .. because that's a different show. However, I'm going on record saying that I expect them to milk it for what it's worth and put him next to Akiyama, Nagano and Urushihara. I would be surprised if they DON'T do that. I will also NOT be surprised if they kept a 2nd person from doing it because fastest time up the tower is the ONLY champion. That's also NBC policy on the 4th stage. When that happens fans will riot. God I hope Kacy ends up there. I doubt Matt will openly spoil who will be at Vegas next week. That discussion can be moved to the thread I already made by that. This can easily be derailed if someone confirms/deny her entry in Vegas. This should be just for last night's episode so I apologize for bringing Vegas up.
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Post by Apexe on Jun 3, 2014 21:45:50 GMT -5
I really wish they'd have an American All-Star team so the top competitors wouldn't have to risk missing out. Top competitors such as Brent, David, Kasmir, McGrath, anyone want to finish the list?
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Post by arsenette on Jun 3, 2014 21:47:53 GMT -5
I really wish they'd have an American All-Star team so the top competitors wouldn't have to risk missing out. Top competitors such as Brent, David, Kasmir, McGrath, anyone want to finish the list? You mean like a seeded list?
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jun 3, 2014 23:22:38 GMT -5
Well, it would be nice if those who made Stage 3 in Vegas were at least granted some kind of immunity from the qualifying stages for the following season. They wouldn't be able to rest on their laurels for every following season (say, if they failed First Stage the competition after their Third Stage appearance), but it would at least be in line with Sasuke's tradition of First Stage clear = auto invite next time in SOME capacity. After all, these are just qualifying rounds.
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Post by dlee on Jun 4, 2014 0:10:12 GMT -5
Well, it would be nice if those who made Stage 3 in Vegas were at least granted some kind of immunity from the qualifying stages for the following season. They wouldn't be able to rest on their laurels for every following season (say, if they failed First Stage the competition after their Third Stage appearance), but it would at least be in line with Sasuke's tradition of First Stage clear = auto invite next time in SOME capacity. After all, these are just qualifying rounds. This is exactly why the histories of the two shows SHOULD be kept separate. ANW (all my opinion) is dealing with such a higher talent of athlete thus they turn-over many more competitors. ANW is never going to have a competitor like Yamada. Someone who gets to keep coming back (to keep perfect attendance?) after failing stage 1 like, what 14 times in a row or something? ANW is soooo much about performing. Mike Needham for example. Has a habit of choking but his Ninja Bedroom video has over 700 thousand views. Still last year he was forced to brave the walk-on line. And no clue what happened with him this year. I rkn they should continue the way they have been. Majority of the viewers have little or no clue what Sasuke is so there’s no point in NBC pandering to a small sector of hardcore fans. The only problem I would have is what Arsenette said, if someone makes it this year and they show that person as the 4th to achieve total victory. I pray that they say first American and celebrate that factor of it.
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Post by tgf2k on Jun 4, 2014 0:14:51 GMT -5
Mike Needham received a callback for St. Louis, and you will probably see him in next week's episode. Due to NDA I won't say more than that.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 4, 2014 0:17:06 GMT -5
IMO they do it because having the "names" in trials are a way to get people to tune in each week. I mean qualies are what.. 10 weeks straight? If there weren't any names people would skip them and just tune in to Vegas and see their favorites. Like dudesky I prefer the seeded list, but I see why NBC is doing it.
Agreed dlee WHEN someone wins I hope they just say our first American Ninja Warrior. That road is a long one as many can attest to. No need to say that's the 4th person/5th win. No Japanese has ever won American Ninja Warrior either so it should be a legit solo victory (well.. solo as in ANW. I hope there are multiple winners).
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jun 4, 2014 0:30:49 GMT -5
IMO they do it because having the "names" in trials are a way to get people to tune in each week. I mean qualies are what.. 10 weeks straight? If there weren't any names people would skip them and just tune in to Vegas and see their favorites. Like dudesky I prefer the seeded list, but I see why NBC is doing it. Agreed dlee WHEN someone wins I hope they just say our first American Ninja Warrior. That road is a long one as many can attest to. No need to say that's the 4th person/5th win. No Japanese has ever won American Ninja Warrior either so it should be a legit solo victory (well.. solo as in ANW. I hope there are multiple winners). Good point. But it makes one wonder... why do they bother airing the trials? ANW is quite bulbous compared to SASUKE! As for the 'athletic pool' being stronger in ANW, well, that would make sense. SASUKE is a variety/game show. ANW is treated like the friggen' olympics. And no, you don't see a competitor like Yamada. That's because 90% of them ARE Yamada! I swear, I have never seen so many people who are literally willing to give up everything they do to build, train on and study obstacle replicas and invest in ANW-specific obstacle gyms. It's quite a phenomenon here that has never existed in Japan. Perhaps it is an American dream, to win an obstacle course, not to mention financial security from the bucketload of prize money. Oh, and the free nation-wide publicity doesn't hurt this is, after all, one of the few shows where you're almost guaranteed to be portrayed as a hero. Must feel validating!
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Post by jams on Jun 4, 2014 0:34:57 GMT -5
They don't formally have an automatic invite system, but with their wild cards you know certain people will always be in Vegas no matter how they do in qualifiers. Brent being one of them.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 4, 2014 0:37:15 GMT -5
IMO they do it because having the "names" in trials are a way to get people to tune in each week. I mean qualies are what.. 10 weeks straight? If there weren't any names people would skip them and just tune in to Vegas and see their favorites. Like dudesky I prefer the seeded list, but I see why NBC is doing it. Agreed dlee WHEN someone wins I hope they just say our first American Ninja Warrior. That road is a long one as many can attest to. No need to say that's the 4th person/5th win. No Japanese has ever won American Ninja Warrior either so it should be a legit solo victory (well.. solo as in ANW. I hope there are multiple winners). Good point. But it makes one wonder... why do they bother airing the trials? ANW is quite bulbous compared to SASUKE! As for the 'athletic pool' being stronger in ANW, well, that would make sense. SASUKE is a variety/game show. ANW is treated like the friggen' olympics. And no, you don't see a competitor like Yamada. That's because 90% of them ARE Yamada! I swear, I have never seen so many people who are literally willing to give up everything they do to build, train on and study obstacle replicas and invest in ANW-specific obstacle gyms. It's quite a phenomenon here that has never existed in Japan. Perhaps it is an American dream, to win an obstacle course, not to mention financial security from the bucketload of prize money. Oh, and the free nation-wide publicity doesn't hurt this is, after all, one of the few shows where you're almost guaranteed to be portrayed as a hero. Must feel validating! NBC has a full slot during the summer to fill and they got okay ratings to hang with the summer girls (cough Bachelorette) and the foul mouthed cook (cough Master Chef) so it makes sense they kept the show as long as they did (the actual length I mean). God NBC hasn't had a hit that they must have kissed ANW's feet when they actually starting winning timeslots. Still though, you have to admit.. Japan alone gets 3,000 entries. USA is HOW much bigger? I can't imagine NBC getting less than that for their show. It makes sense that they would do that. Besides.. with that many weeks to have to show something.. it's better that they show trials rather than stretching the living hell out of Vegas over 10 weeks. They don't formally have an automatic invite system, but with their wild cards you know certain people will always be in Vegas no matter how they do in qualifiers. Brent being one of them. True. Though the wildcards have been varied over the past couple of years. I'm all for adding more wildcard slots personally.
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Post by thebobmaster on Jun 4, 2014 0:40:05 GMT -5
They don't formally have an automatic invite system, but with their wild cards you know certain people will always be in Vegas no matter how they do in qualifiers. Brent being one of them. True, but it's extremely rare for a non-semifinalist to get a spot. As far as I remember, the only exceptions to that were all the female wildcards except for Jessie Graff and Kelvin Antoine. At the same time, they passed over Brian Orosco, despite him not only having made it as far as Brent, but being the only ANW contestant to have made it to the finals of every ANW up to that point. If he didn't get a wildcard spot, it's far from guaranteed that Brent will. To go along with what arsenette said above (sorry, not managing to edit in quotes well), I think they should have 6 cities. That way, assuming the top 15 made it through from each city, there would be 80 finalists and 20 wildcards. However, if more than 15 finished finals in a given city, then they would give that finalist essentially a wildcard slot. In other words, say all the cities except Denver had to stick with just the top 15, but 17 cleared Denver. In that case, it would be 82 finalists and 18 wildcards. Edit: I meant that Brian failed last year at the same point in qualifying Brent did this year.
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Post by dlee on Jun 4, 2014 0:48:33 GMT -5
IMO they do it because having the "names" in trials are a way to get people to tune in each week. I mean qualies are what.. 10 weeks straight? If there weren't any names people would skip them and just tune in to Vegas and see their favorites. Like dudesky I prefer the seeded list, but I see why NBC is doing it. Agreed dlee WHEN someone wins I hope they just say our first American Ninja Warrior. That road is a long one as many can attest to. No need to say that's the 4th person/5th win. No Japanese has ever won American Ninja Warrior either so it should be a legit solo victory (well.. solo as in ANW. I hope there are multiple winners). Good point. But it makes one wonder... why do they bother airing the trials? ANW is quite bulbous compared to SASUKE! As for the 'athletic pool' being stronger in ANW, well, that would make sense. SASUKE is a variety/game show. ANW is treated like the friggen' olympics. And no, you don't see a competitor like Yamada. That's because 90% of them ARE Yamada! I swear, I have never seen so many people who are literally willing to give up everything they do to build, train on and study obstacle replicas and invest in ANW-specific obstacle gyms. It's quite a phenomenon here that has never existed in Japan. Perhaps it is an American dream, to win an obstacle course, not to mention financial security from the bucketload of prize money. Oh, and the free nation-wide publicity doesn't hurt this is, after all, one of the few shows where you're almost guaranteed to be portrayed as a hero. Must feel validating! hahahahaha thats very, very well put! Hmmm lets see. You get to prove yourself physically/mentally in the eyes of others, get portrayed as a hero, huge financial prize & you get to call yourself something which has the word AMERICAN in it Sounds like the epitome of the American Dream!!! The difference between Sasuke vs ANW is the difference between Japanese and American culture it would seem. #deep
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Post by jams on Jun 4, 2014 1:05:57 GMT -5
True, but it's extremely rare for a non-semifinalist to get a spot. As far as I remember, the only exceptions to that were all the female wildcards except for Jessie Graff and Kelvin Antoine. At the same time, they passed over Brian Orosco, despite him not only having made it as far as Brent, but being the only ANW contestant to have made it to the finals of every ANW up to that point. If he didn't get a wildcard spot, it's far from guaranteed that Brent will. In my opinion the wildcards are always going to be who will draw the most viewers in their eyes. Both men and women want to see women run the course. We all like to root for the older guys like Kelvin, and then there's the fan favorites who have history but maybe didn't make it in qualifiers. I honestly have no idea who any of the wild cards are, but if they have the full 25 to hand out I would bet a lot of money on Brent being on of them. He is popular and NBC has done their best to make him Mr. ANW so I can't see them abandoning him. Maybe if Brian Arnold does really well again this year, or if someone actually wins, then they might say "Brent who?" and latch on to the next best thing lol.
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Post by thatoneuser on Jun 4, 2014 10:58:16 GMT -5
By the way, as a reminder, neither Levi Meeuwenberg nor Brian Orosco were given wild cards in ANW4.
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Post by kangaroo on Jun 4, 2014 11:21:41 GMT -5
True, but it's extremely rare for a non-semifinalist to get a spot. As far as I remember, the only exceptions to that were all the female wildcards except for Jessie Graff and Kelvin Antoine. At the same time, they passed over Brian Orosco, despite him not only having made it as far as Brent, but being the only ANW contestant to have made it to the finals of every ANW up to that point. If he didn't get a wildcard spot, it's far from guaranteed that Brent will. In my opinion the wildcards are always going to be who will draw the most viewers in their eyes. Both men and women want to see women run the course. We all like to root for the older guys like Kelvin, and then there's the fan favorites who have history but maybe didn't make it in qualifiers. I honestly have no idea who any of the wild cards are, but if they have the full 25 to hand out I would bet a lot of money on Brent being on of them. He is popular and NBC has done their best to make him Mr. ANW so I can't see them abandoning him. Maybe if Brian Arnold does really well again this year, or if someone actually wins, then they might say "Brent who?" and latch on to the next best thing lol. From my point of view Brian Arnold is the guy I think most likely to get to stage four and my new favorite. Brent was the first American to get past the ultimate cliff hangar but I am not sure he has the climbing skills to get past the Hang Climb
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Post by jams on Jun 4, 2014 12:23:36 GMT -5
By the way, as a reminder, neither Levi Meeuwenberg nor Brian Orosco were given wild cards in ANW4. Do we know they weren't offered, or did they maybe just turn them down? I think I remember seeing something about Levi that he had schedule conflict, or turned it down because he didn't feel he earned it going out on the step. Not sure about Brian though. They might not have offered one to him.
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Post by thatoneuser on Jun 4, 2014 12:42:56 GMT -5
Levi was offered a spot in SASUKE 24 and turned it down due to work conflicts, so that may be what you're thinking of. (So was Brian.) I don't believe either of them received an invite to ANW4.
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Post by grandpaninja on Jun 4, 2014 18:15:17 GMT -5
True, but it's extremely rare for a non-semifinalist to get a spot. As far as I remember, the only exceptions to that were all the female wildcards except for Jessie Graff and Kelvin Antoine. At the same time, they passed over Brian Orosco, despite him not only having made it as far as Brent, but being the only ANW contestant to have made it to the finals of every ANW up to that point. If he didn't get a wildcard spot, it's far from guaranteed that Brent will. In my opinion the wildcards are always going to be who will draw the most viewers in their eyes. Both men and women want to see women run the course. We all like to root for the older guys like Kelvin, and then there's the fan favorites who have history but maybe didn't make it in qualifiers. I honestly have no idea who any of the wild cards are, but if they have the full 25 to hand out I would bet a lot of money on Brent being on of them. He is popular and NBC has done their best to make him Mr. ANW so I can't see them abandoning him. Maybe if Brian Arnold does really well again this year, or if someone actually wins, then they might say "Brent who?" and latch on to the next best thing lol. Thanks but no wildcard for me this year and I know many people who are fan favorites who did not receive the call for a Wild Card spot this year. I know of only a few women who got called and that's it.
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Post by thebobmaster on Jun 4, 2014 21:59:00 GMT -5
In my opinion the wildcards are always going to be who will draw the most viewers in their eyes. Both men and women want to see women run the course. We all like to root for the older guys like Kelvin, and then there's the fan favorites who have history but maybe didn't make it in qualifiers. I honestly have no idea who any of the wild cards are, but if they have the full 25 to hand out I would bet a lot of money on Brent being on of them. He is popular and NBC has done their best to make him Mr. ANW so I can't see them abandoning him. Maybe if Brian Arnold does really well again this year, or if someone actually wins, then they might say "Brent who?" and latch on to the next best thing lol. Thanks but no wildcard for me this year and I know many people who are fan favorites who did not receive the call for a Wild Card spot this year. I know of only a few women who got called and that's it. It's all right, Grandpa Ninja. We all love you regardless of where you finish. At least, I hope we do.
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Post by jams on Jun 4, 2014 22:16:14 GMT -5
Thanks but no wildcard for me this year and I know many people who are fan favorites who did not receive the call for a Wild Card spot this year. I know of only a few women who got called and that's it. Damn that sucks to hear you won't be competing in Vegas. Hopefully next year will bring better luck! Will be interesting now to see how things go down as the season progresses.
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