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Post by arsenette on Jun 18, 2014 18:35:43 GMT -5
Cool cool. I'll work on it tonight (since final numbers are posted on Wednesdays). It's been a rough week for me healthwise so I was late. Not entirely sure why the thread is a non-discussion though (just edited the title that mods put in when it started). Some of the analysis can be really interesting. --------------------------------- So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings Chart FINAL NUMBERS (Adjustments made - This week Bachelorette was adjusted up but that didn't affect 10pm's numbers since that's what the articles were suggesting. ANW dropped to 2nd in demo when taking into account cable's monster numbers. ________________________________________________________ Cable number comparisons - Ratings winner of the night: World Cup Soccer (5:30) - ESPN 9.722 million viewers, #1; 5.230 million adults 18-49 ( 4.12 rating), #1 Synopsis: Meh week for everyone in network all fighting for a tenth of point. Viewers however were watching soccer instead. LOL Esquire isn't even breaking top 100 again for this week. I'm now curious if they are now worse numbers than G4? or they aren't listed as "new" since it's technically a rerun of the previous night. I'm leaning towards the latter since last year when G4 was airing stuff it was cut runs (thus making the show "original") and maybe that qualified to be follow.. no wait.. they also have reruns listed on the cable numbers. Nope.. Esquire is now officially worse than G4 when it comes to airing ANW.
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Post by rsyoukilis20 on Jun 20, 2014 0:29:25 GMT -5
Cool cool. I'll work on it tonight (since final numbers are posted on Wednesdays). It's been a rough week for me healthwise so I was late. Not entirely sure why the thread is a non-discussion though (just edited the title that mods put in when it started). Some of the analysis can be really interesting. Well, I hope healthwise you feel better soon. As for the Esquire numbers, that's not surprising. Monday isn't a packed night, and the only people I could see needing to watch on Tuesday would be those who have no DVR space on Monday, or don't have a DVR and watch something else on Monday live. Also, would you be willing to post the Live +7 numbers when they come out? That gives a good indication as to who is DVRing the episode to watch later. Or, rather, who is recording the episode and watching later in the week, since Live + same day includes those who watch their recordings before midnight. Meaning people like me, who start the show late so as to be able to zoom through commercials. The advertising rates are actually set based on Live +C3 key demo numbers. But those numbers aren't released publicly, and the networks are making an increased push to have the numbers be Live +7 key demo numbers. And since Live +7 are released publicly, they're the best indication we have of DVR usage. If you don't want to do the extra work and post them when they're available, I can do it.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 20, 2014 0:41:08 GMT -5
Thanks It's an ongoing issue (my health) that's something I have to deal with for the rest of my life sadly. But appreciate it! Hmm.. where are the +7 numbers listed? Unless it's on those pages I go to I've never seen them. Fast numbers and final ratings already include DVR in them (as per the description of the ratings) so unless you want the breakdown I don't know if there is a place to isolate those numbers. I'd love to see them as I've never tracked those numbers. That would be awesome to look at. I didn't think they actually published the breakdown! Edit: Also not sure Esquire has the same reach that G4 had. G4 was in over 100 million homes. Is Esquire even that large yet? I found the numbers strange on the first night (they did post those and are at the top of the list along with Week 1) and those were worse than G4 in terms of numbers but triple the actual demo rating. So either they dropped significantly or people decided why see a rerun of something they already saw before. Even G4 had 'original" programing so those who were on the show had a 2nd chance to see themselves even if they got the delete/ff treatment during the NBC run.
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Post by rsyoukilis20 on Jun 23, 2014 20:26:42 GMT -5
This site has them: tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/category/ratings/top-timeshifted/But for some reason their last update was June 9. I could find lots of other Live+7 ratings on other sites, but only for the 35 week fall to spring season and nothing for the summer. Maybe the sites don't think there is that much interest in those ratings during the summer. But it looks like we'll have to settle for only Live+SD for now.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 23, 2014 20:53:12 GMT -5
Ah that makes sense that they would only carry through the "seasons" and not the summer ones since the ratings are much lower. I didn't even know that part existed until you brought it up. Interesting concept.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 28, 2014 0:06:09 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for being patient this week. So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings ChartFINAL NUMBERS (Adjustments down in both ratings, share and viewers) Cable combinedSynopsis: The initial numbers were super high but then were adjusted back down when the final numbers came in. Nothing beats is at 10pm so changing from last season (8-10) to this seasons (9-11) was a good move. 10pm actually had the highest rating at 2.0 for all of this season. They ratings are taken cumulative though so they got 1.7 for this week. VH1's Love and Hip Hop inexplicably beats it this week in ratings for some reason..
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Post by arsenette on Jul 2, 2014 0:32:02 GMT -5
This was a repeat week for some reason. For the record the repeat shown this week was the USA vs JAPAN special that originally aired January, 2014. So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings ChartFINAL NUMBERS (No changes from initial) Cable combined (not available yet but World Cup Soccer is destroying everyone) Synopsis: I wanted to do this week to keep a tab as to what's going on as a season as a whole. I wanted to see if the break creates a problem from now on as casual fans tend to be fickle when unexplained breaks show up. This week troubles me not because of the massive drop, but because there are 2 sets of shows that have been introduced in the line up (BOTH CBS) that potentially can knock ANW back down to reality. First at 9pm are repeats of Big Bang Theory. Even repeats of the hit show win over ANW usually (last year is a good example of that). Second, and more formidable, is Under the Dome at 10pm. Most of the big headlines for ANW this year was "hey we were 3rd and even 2nd at 9pm but we are king at 10pm). Not anymore. Just this week, even if the premiere was lower than last year Under the Dome scored a 2.2 rating. ANW has yet to even hit that once this season. So I wanted to see this as a placeholder if they can survive the summer with both things in place. 24 isn't blowing the doors off anyone this season and Bachelorette which still beats anyone only beats them by 1 percentage point at best. 10 pm will change everything and I'm curious if repeats of Big Bang are going to shake things up in an already anemic Summer season on Network Television.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 11, 2014 2:34:15 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for being patient this week. Still sick as a dog. So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings ChartFINAL NUMBERS (Adjustments down in both ratings and viewers) Cable combinedSynopsis: Initial numbers had ANW winning 10 pm but they have since adjusted it again. CBS switched out Big Bang which helped everyone else. Dome is still falling but still managed to hang on. Still though a good week for NBC to hang on. They would have loved to keep the other numbers though. Placing 3rd network and 2nd in 10pm.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 15, 2014 13:10:26 GMT -5
So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings ChartFINAL NUMBERS (No adjustments to ANW) Cable combined Note: I did want to bring your attention to something new on the "Ratings Chart" link I always post. They are FINALLY doing a demographic breakdown to confirm something that has been murmured throughout the ratings blogosphere for the past few years. THIS is what the ratings ACTUALLY look like. More women watch network television then men. In fact more WOMEN watch ANW then MEN do and here's the proof. The reason why this is important is that cable uses these numbers for advertising but Network does not. While men are more difficult to attract their attention to watch something on television (always will be), it's the females that are now the head consumers in the market. THAT is more attractive to prospective advertisers since they just want to reach an audience that will actually BUY stuff from. I hope they continue to show the demo chart broken down like this into the future. I'm curious if this will change a few things how they market and rank shows in the future. The other surprising result is the baby boomer generation and what they seem to gravitate towards. It's obvious the young adults aren't watching network. I'd LOVE for this chart to exist using cable as a backdrop because that's where most are probably going to. Edit: I had to laugh my a** off with NBC's PR for this week since they lost the top spot on all accounts (ratings, demo, viewers) so they came up with some phantom number for WOMEN watching and said they won it.. (cough.. chart doesn't lie.. they didn't..) so I have no idea what they are smoking.. especially since NBC doesn't give a s*** about women demo's apparently until now.. I'm just shaking my head and laughing. Synopsis: ANW still hanging in and making it a race even if there's only 1 horse in the race (meaning CBS). Network still having issues getting viewers so the overall race is weak compared to say even 10 years ago. We'll see what the next couple of weeks will bring now that 24 has ended for the season and a new show FOX show comes in. Under the Dome isn't going anywhere but not sure if more people will tune in or not.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 25, 2014 13:51:23 GMT -5
So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings ChartFINAL NUMBERS (No adjustments to ANW) Cable combined (finally found it.. late..) Synopsis: Huge bump for ANW due to #mightyKacy from last week. Tied best rating (1.9) for the season. Viewers are the same though which I find odd given the ratings went up. Looking at the demo gender chart equal amount of men and women are watching (which I think is what is making the numbers do better). I still find it hilarious that women are making the show better after all of those years with G4 trying to squash the female demographic and now NBC is welcoming them. LOL At 10 ANW dominated as Under the Dome is dropping like flies right now. I'm curious what is going to happen now that a couple of shows are going to be done for the season shortly and ANW still has another couple months left.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 29, 2014 23:30:05 GMT -5
So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings ChartFINAL NUMBERS (Heavy adjustments to ANW) Cable combined (not in yet) Synopsis: Initial numbers had ANW off the charts at 2.1 but less than a day later the bubble burst and put it at somewhere near 1.9-2.0. Given that I always pick the final ratings from zapit I put it at 2.0 which is the season high. All the FOX and ABC shows were bumped up a .1 while NBC shows were bumped down .1 giving it a .2 differential and changing the landscape of this week's ratings. Viewers are the same though which I find odd given the ratings went up so my only guess is that adults are watching more than teens so the demo skews higher to raise the demo but the overall eyes watching are the same. Looking at the demo gender chart equal amount of men and women are watching (which I think is what is making the numbers do better). I still find it hilarious that women are making the show better after all of those years with G4 trying to squash the female demographic and now NBC is welcoming them. LOL Heck at 10 pm you had a surge of women watching more than men! At 10 Bachelorette had a special show and won the timeslot by .3 ratings points and 3 million people more. This is it for them though as the time-slot changes to something else entirely next week... well.. not new.. it's Bachelor in Paradise.. mixing Bachelor and Bachelorette together.. Not sure what that means to ANW at the 9pm hour. (remember that this chart is not updated with the lower ratings for NBC shows and the higher ratings for both FOX and ABC)
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Post by arsenette on Aug 6, 2014 0:42:48 GMT -5
So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings ChartFINAL NUMBERS (Adjustments made - ANW up by .1) Synopsis: Bachelor bombed (thank fully.. I hate those shows). The numbers for ANW were decent. Same exact viewers, demo at 2.0 again (adjusted up). Won 9pm outright. Most of the ratings were split with FOX so they are calling it a tie with FOX for night ranking. Almost no fluctuation though so a solid 5.5 million week in and week out. Everyone else either dropping or falling around them. They aren't growing though so that worries me going into the make or break weeks. Vegas notoriously has been rated lower (please look at the previous ratings blogs as a comparison) as a timer is instituted to the course. We'll see how this year goes. Next week is a "best of" and Vegas premieres the week after that. I don't expect the ratings to do well next week as a matter of course. Demo chart
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Post by arsenette on Aug 13, 2014 0:33:49 GMT -5
So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings ChartFINAL NUMBERS (Adjustments made to other networks - none to ANW) Synopsis: This week was a "best of" and Vegas premieres the week after that. I didn't expect the ratings to do well and was correct. The Ratings chart website summarized this week concisely: On a reality-heavy night, chefs came out on top. Low viewing night for network overall hands down. Demo chart
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Post by arsenette on Aug 20, 2014 11:23:38 GMT -5
So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings ChartFINAL NUMBERS (Adjusted down by .1 or .2 depending on what organization was reporting.) Synopsis: First day of Vegas premieres. The initial numbers were super high but then were adjusted back down when the final numbers came in. Two cities preempted it for Football so that's why there was a discrepancy. Core audience is not moving. That's good for NBC. They aren't getting more people as the weeks go on though and that's bad for NBC. Demo chart
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Post by arsenette on Sept 5, 2014 11:36:40 GMT -5
So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings ChartFINAL NUMBERS (Other shows were adjusted up. ANW was not adjusted.) Synopsis: Second day of Vegas. Same numbers from last week. Same impression as last week where the core audience is not moving. That's good for NBC. They aren't getting more people as the weeks go on though and that's bad for NBC. Curious to see the numbers for the next two following weeks (last night for Vegas and then the ANW vs. World Special) Demo chart
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Post by arsenette on Sept 10, 2014 13:10:53 GMT -5
So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings ChartFINAL NUMBERS (Other shows were adjusted down. ANW was adjusted up .1 - so while numbers were tweaked their standing didn't change) Cable numbersSynopsis: Last day of Vegas. Slightly lower numbers from last week. Week to week they lost viewers and their demo. Time frame sucks that it's so long because they had to compete against Monday night football (the problem with ANW's season being so long). As expected, Monday night Football crushed Network (not just ANW). 5.2 and 5.1 ratings with 13k viewers is almost 3 times as much as what network can pull these days. NBC has to shorten ANW for next year if they want to finish with a "high". Next week is the highly anticipated USA vs. World. The only other special (from January) did well in the ratings. We'll see how this year goes since another team is added and the show is 3 hours instead of 2. Edit: Just noticed.. Dancing with the Stars premieres next week.. ANW.. good luck with that. Demo chart
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Post by arsenette on Sept 16, 2014 14:06:55 GMT -5
So far the articles I found for NBC's coverage Monday night: Detailed by Night RankingDetailed HourlyMore articles: Head to headRatings ChartFINAL NUMBERS (ANW was adjusted up .1 - so while numbers were tweaked their standing didn't change) Cable numbers - Night winner - NFL REGULAR SEASON L (EAGLES/COLTS) ESPN 8:15 PM - Million viewest 14891 - Rating 5.8Synopsis: As predicted, Dancing with the Stars demolished the competition. Monday night Football decimated everyone though with a 5.8 rating and over 14 million viewers. As for ANW, the viewers were steady all night. So they kept their audience that chose to watch it at 8pm over the competition and got a slight uptick at 10 pm when Dancing finished and the only competition left was Under the Dome. Virtually identical numbers from last week. Time frame sucks that it's so long because they had to compete against Monday night football (the problem with ANW's season being so long). NBC has to shorten ANW for next year if they want to finish with a "high". 15 weeks is too long and no matter how highly anticipated something is, when they run up against the premiere of the Fall season, they will lose every time. Demo chart
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Post by arsenette on Sept 17, 2014 21:43:12 GMT -5
Announcement: As I said in other posts, this is my last year doing the ratings thread for ANW. Anyone wanting or caring to do it next year I hope this list is helpful to find the industry ratings websites. The format I used is wait until Wednesday to get the full view of the results. Tuesday overnights tend to be inflated or skewed or missing full numbers and by Wednesday it settles down and they come up with the final "official" numbers. (this week was a good example of that as ANW's ratings were adjusted up to compensate for the error on the overnight numbers). If anyone has any questions for next year just let me know. However, I'm done doing ANW ratings. Thanks to those who actually read the ratings breakdown week after week for the past few years. I still enjoy it. Just not doing ANW anymore.
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Post by SasukeForever on Sept 18, 2014 8:21:21 GMT -5
Announcement: As I said in other posts, this is my last year doing the ratings thread for ANW. Anyone wanting or caring to do it next year I hope this list is helpful to find the industry ratings websites. The format I used is wait until Wednesday to get the full view of the results. Tuesday overnights tend to be inflated or skewed or missing full numbers and by Wednesday it settles down and they come up with the final "official" numbers. (this week was a good example of that as ANW's ratings were adjusted up to compensate for the error on the overnight numbers). If anyone has any questions for next year just let me know. However, I'm done doing ANW ratings. Thanks to those who actually read the ratings breakdown week after week for the past few years. I still enjoy it. Just not doing ANW anymore. Thank you for this! Sorry to see you stop, but if you can "train" me, I will volunteer to take your place next year.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 18, 2014 16:16:31 GMT -5
Announcement: As I said in other posts, this is my last year doing the ratings thread for ANW. Anyone wanting or caring to do it next year I hope this list is helpful to find the industry ratings websites. The format I used is wait until Wednesday to get the full view of the results. Tuesday overnights tend to be inflated or skewed or missing full numbers and by Wednesday it settles down and they come up with the final "official" numbers. (this week was a good example of that as ANW's ratings were adjusted up to compensate for the error on the overnight numbers). If anyone has any questions for next year just let me know. However, I'm done doing ANW ratings. Thanks to those who actually read the ratings breakdown week after week for the past few years. I still enjoy it. Just not doing ANW anymore. Thank you for this! Sorry to see you stop, but if you can "train" me, I will volunteer to take your place next year. Giggles sure It's very easy. I did follow a system to keep the numbers in order so that anyone watching the chart could see what the final numbers were. Next year feel free to send me a message and I can explain how I organized it. Thanks I find this stuff fascinating.
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