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Post by SasukeForever on Aug 4, 2013 20:43:51 GMT -5
Question above.
We get it the first 25 times.
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Post by Buster1920 on Aug 4, 2013 21:13:35 GMT -5
From how much he says it I think "Why don't you try the course and see how hard it is to do that."
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Post by jams on Aug 4, 2013 21:24:55 GMT -5
Did I really hear him say you should always keep your arms at 90 degrees on the salmon ladder so you don't have to extend and do a pull up each time when jumping rungs? How's that work?
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Aug 5, 2013 1:56:47 GMT -5
I'm more sick of the football references.
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Post by TCM on Aug 5, 2013 2:08:12 GMT -5
Did I really hear him say you should always keep your arms at 90 degrees on the salmon ladder so you don't have to extend and do a pull up each time when jumping rungs? How's that work? He means more it's best to keep your arms bent enough to reduce how much energy you're expelling from the pull up, as opposed to getting up a rung and having your arms straighten each time. |
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 5, 2013 10:21:46 GMT -5
Did I really hear him say you should always keep your arms at 90 degrees on the salmon ladder so you don't have to extend and do a pull up each time when jumping rungs? How's that work? He means more it's best to keep your arms bent enough to reduce how much energy you're expelling from the pull up, as opposed to getting up a rung and having your arms straighten each time. Pretty much this, he means don't fully extend your arms on the jumps and have to do a pullup every time, keep your arms bent when pushing in, that's pretty much what I did when I got the hang of it, which was the last 4 of the 5 jumps lol |
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Post by dropknee on Aug 5, 2013 12:20:28 GMT -5
I completely disagree with this method. Holding yourself in a locked off position (arms at 90°), as opposed to hanging with your arms straight is going to burn way more energy. As your arms are doing way more work when you are locked off as oppossed to a dead hang. Dont believe me? see how much longer you can dead hang (arms straight) on a pull up bar over hanging there locked off. Additionally, when you pull-up from a dead hang position you are going to have more upward momentum. That being said, as a climber, my base of upper body strength may be skewed towards the higher end. As ive never really thought the movement of the salmon ladder were hard, so much as the accuracy.
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Post by nehcney on Aug 5, 2013 12:46:27 GMT -5
I don't think it's so much about seeing how long you can hold a locked or deadhang position, it's more about the range of motion for the contraction of your muscles (biceps). For example, try doing pullups without going all the way back down to a deadhang and see how many you can do. Get adequate rest and now try it with a strict deadhang after each rep. Big difference!
Also depends on technique though. I've seen people do the salmon ladder without hardly bending their arms at all. Instead they get almost all of their upward momentum by doing large swinging motions with their body.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 5, 2013 13:13:49 GMT -5
I completely disagree with this method. Holding yourself in a locked off position (arms at 90°), as opposed to hanging with your arms straight is going to burn way more energy. As your arms are doing way more work when you are locked off as oppossed to a dead hang. Dont believe me? see how much longer you can dead hang (arms straight) on a pull up bar over hanging there locked off. Additionally, when you pull-up from a dead hang position you are going to have more upward momentum. That being said, as a climber, my base of upper body strength may be skewed towards the higher end. As ive never really thought the movement of the salmon ladder were hard, so much as the accuracy. Honestly in my experience of training and my experience in Baltimore, bent arms are better for obstacle attempts, extended arms are better for a long stationary hang, but trying to move like that is way more draining, especially on things like the Cliffhanger. I think that's one of the few things Akbar gets accurate about ANW lol |
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Aug 5, 2013 16:46:14 GMT -5
With bent arms, I think you have more control over your movement compared to straight arms, however, it's more fatiguing than moving with straight arms. When I do some moving on a ledge, I find I am faster with bent arms than with straight arms, though my forearms "burn" more afterwards.
With the Salmon Ladder, I think bent arms lets you fire up a rung on the SL with more power, though it may be more fatiguing than hopping up with straight arms. Also, with straight arms, it's probably easier to slip off or lose your grip on the bar when jumping a rung.
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Post by thatoneuser on Aug 5, 2013 16:54:33 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me as much as the "Brian Orosco technique"
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 5, 2013 17:21:09 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me as much as the "Brian Orosco technique" Yeah that bugs me... kind of understandable on the SL since he was the first to attempt a Salmon Ladder like that, but yeah that is not his exclusive technique, the Japan stars used it on the Pipe Slider long before anyone in America even heard of Sasuke... |
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Post by Buster1920 on Aug 5, 2013 17:30:11 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me as much as the "Brian Orosco technique" Yeah that bugs me... kind of understandable on the SL since he was the first to attempt a Salmon Ladder like that, but yeah that is not his exclusive technique, the Japan stars used it on the Pipe Slider long before anyone in America even heard of Sasuke... Except for Travis Allen Schroeder. |
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Post by dch on Aug 5, 2013 17:32:45 GMT -5
Hell yes, awesome TAS reference!
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Post by gtoneko on Aug 5, 2013 17:33:19 GMT -5
FINALLY caught up to last week's episode, no thanks to power ouatages and all.
That's definitely a good point he's making since in a way, it does vary from person to person as far as maintaining a good bit of arm strength overall.
It doesn't really get "annoying" but it does get repetitive. Main thing also to keep in mind too is that there's still a lot of people who are just getting into the series, not knowing about Sasuke, so at least it's not a bad point to show as far as who's done for here in the U.S.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Aug 5, 2013 18:19:50 GMT -5
Yeah that bugs me... kind of understandable on the SL since he was the first to attempt a Salmon Ladder like that, but yeah that is not his exclusive technique, the Japan stars used it on the Pipe Slider long before anyone in America even heard of Sasuke... Except for Travis Allen Schroeder. Well played  I was making an exaggeration anyways, the Kosugi brothers knew as well, an Jotchev moved to Texas, but I mean it was an old classic technique before G4 ever got involved is my point, Brian wasn't the original, just the first on a SL, I miss when Brian doing it got called "Nagano grip" instead of anyone doing it is "Brian Orosco grip" |
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Post by VeryCoolAlan on Aug 6, 2013 22:38:09 GMT -5
I think we can agree that we will never see Kane Kosugi again?
That's just me .
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Post by Amber on Aug 7, 2013 1:14:27 GMT -5
I think we can agree that we will never see Kane Kosugi again? That's just me . I agree |
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Post by werewolf on Aug 19, 2013 16:03:02 GMT -5
It's annoying , but not as much as Jon Moseley's constant over the top fake smile.
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Post by dch on Aug 20, 2013 14:00:24 GMT -5
It eventually gets to me the way he really digs in on the NIIIINNNNN of American NIIIINNNNja Warrior during marathons, but Id agree Matt Iseman is good at commentating and has kind of become the face of the show. It would be weird without him.
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