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Post by PsychoDelusion on Jul 10, 2013 4:57:44 GMT -5
Personally i'm still really confused about this.It really made me angry though.I hope they fix this in (if happens) SASUKE 30.
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Post by SRW on Jul 10, 2013 5:40:28 GMT -5
Its their faults Not Morimoto's so no.
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Post by lostinube on Jul 10, 2013 8:05:11 GMT -5
Er. Isn't the title of this thread a spoiler?
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Post by hashtagswag on Jul 10, 2013 8:23:45 GMT -5
Did he do the wrong thing ..... Yes. Was it stated in the rules that he was not allowed to slip under ..... No ...... Give the kid a break .
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Post by SKC99 on Jul 10, 2013 8:31:16 GMT -5
No because Ryo did it in Sasuke 27 and made it all the way to the Final Stage. Also because of the Backstream's strong current and the VERY low time limit, the other 3 who cleared were nearly flawless throughout the course, but all cleared with time in red!
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Post by dyer on Jul 10, 2013 9:07:52 GMT -5
There's a reason its called the Passing Wall and not the Wall Lifting..........hence going under the wall.
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Post by nehcney on Jul 10, 2013 10:34:37 GMT -5
That's the flaw about this obstacle. If there isn't a gap, there's the risk of the wall falling down on the competitor and crushing/breaking something. If there is a big enough gap to avoid this risk, then it's also big enough to simply slide underneath. The ANW course has the same predicament.
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Post by TCM on Jul 10, 2013 11:12:15 GMT -5
That's the flaw about this obstacle. If there isn't a gap, there's the risk of the wall falling down on the competitor and crushing/breaking something. If there is a big enough gap to avoid this risk, then it's also big enough to simply slide underneath. The ANW course has the same predicament. The Wall Lift before Sasuke 20 had always touched the ground, multiple people had to deal with being 'crushed' by the walls, even Shingo caught his leg on the last wall, they were just heavily padded to reduce impact. But Levi got caught on the last wall and I guess Monster9 had a scare so they raised the walls. Yusuke and Ryo both lifted the walls, they just didn't lift the walls over their heads because the walls weigh as much as them and I guess they either can't overhead press their own weight, or just haven't learned the proper way to. It's a legal technique, just one that looks pathetic. Whatever works, though.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jul 10, 2013 13:08:34 GMT -5
Totally fair.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jul 10, 2013 13:20:11 GMT -5
I can't really blame him. If you can do it, then why not do it?
But I really think the gap should be reduced.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 10, 2013 13:34:09 GMT -5
That's the flaw about this obstacle. If there isn't a gap, there's the risk of the wall falling down on the competitor and crushing/breaking something. If there is a big enough gap to avoid this risk, then it's also big enough to simply slide underneath. The ANW course has the same predicament. The Wall Lift before Sasuke 20 had always touched the ground, multiple people had to deal with being 'crushed' by the walls, even Shingo caught his leg on the last wall, they were just heavily padded to reduce impact. But Levi got caught on the last wall and I guess Monster9 had a scare so they raised the walls. Yusuke and Ryo both lifted the walls, they just didn't lift the walls over their heads because the walls weigh as much as them and I guess they either can't overhead press their own weight, or just haven't learned the proper way to. It's a legal technique, just one that looks pathetic. Whatever works, though. Prior to 20 they still had stoppers, they just increased in size in 21 and never shrunk back
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Post by Mjyr1 on Jul 10, 2013 19:35:01 GMT -5
A gap of like two inches would work.
Prevents fingers from being killed, and lets people grip the wall.
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Post by gtoneko on Jul 11, 2013 0:39:15 GMT -5
That's the flaw about this obstacle. If there isn't a gap, there's the risk of the wall falling down on the competitor and crushing/breaking something. If there is a big enough gap to avoid this risk, then it's also big enough to simply slide underneath. The ANW course has the same predicament. The Wall Lift before Sasuke 20 had always touched the ground, multiple people had to deal with being 'crushed' by the walls, even Shingo caught his leg on the last wall, they were just heavily padded to reduce impact. But Levi got caught on the last wall and I guess Monster9 had a scare so they raised the walls. Yusuke and Ryo both lifted the walls, they just didn't lift the walls over their heads because the walls weigh as much as them and I guess they either can't overhead press their own weight, or just haven't learned the proper way to. It's a legal technique, just one that looks pathetic. Whatever works, though. That's pretty much the gist of it right there for how I feel. Granted, after the fact of dealing with the Backstream with the BS, issues that occurred, it was going to be a give or take situation on what one would do with the final wall. If I was in that same situation, after losing so much time and energy, as much as I'd want to do it proper, I'd probably do the same thing. But yeah, if they can lower it down just a little bit, then it wouldn't be as much of an issue.
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Post by crosasukefan99 on Jul 11, 2013 2:49:38 GMT -5
I don't see anything wrong in that.The obstacle is called PASSING wall wich means that you need to pass it,not lift it.That's my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 3:17:50 GMT -5
Morimoto SLIGHTLY lifted the 110lb wall so it's allowed.
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Post by jfeathe on Jul 11, 2013 8:47:01 GMT -5
You also have to take into account that the competitors are facing much tougher obstacles before facing the Wall Lift than ever before. The Salmon Ladder variations, unstable bridge, and now the Backstream (which tires you, weighs you down, AND makes everything slippery) all contribute to a much more difficult Wall Lift than before.
And even with that being said, lifting 66, 88, then 100 lbs is incredibly hard anyway. I'm shocked Morimoto, or anyone else for that matter, could even manage the lightest wall after that hellhole of a Second Stage.
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Post by crosasukefan99 on Jul 16, 2013 9:12:04 GMT -5
I've just watched SASUKE 2 second stage and I saw Yamamoto's run.If he didn't get disqualified neither Morimoto should be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 9:27:13 GMT -5
Yamamoto had to actually lift the wall. He didn't lift it very high, and he scooted under it, but he still had to lift it. The wall came all the way down to the platform. He had to lift it a little. Anyway, Morimoto did what worked. If they didn't want competitors to do that, they should have made it so that it is not possible to do that.
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Post by SKC99 on Jul 16, 2013 9:29:02 GMT -5
Morimoto SLIGHTLY lifted the 110lb wall so it's allowed. But Kong and Asa lifted it a little bit more and Kanno lifted it like a boss. I think if he went AFTER Kanno, he might have been disqualified and even might have faced a stronger Backstream current.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 16, 2013 12:09:03 GMT -5
Agreed with the others to not shift blame on the competitor. The one foot gap exists. Get pissed off at TBS for putting that there. Was it cheap that he slid under? Yes but he's hardly the first one to do it. Was it legal? Yes it was despite my feelings of it being cheap. Nowhere in the rules is the requirement to Takeda/Kanno the walls. Do I find it utterly cool? Oh hell yeah, but the requirement is to pass them one way or the other. It's not like they are going around the wall and bypassing them altogether. I still hope they bring down the wall as it was before but since it's still here now, he passed it, legally.
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