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Post by hashtagswag on Jul 8, 2013 12:34:27 GMT -5
After watching morimoto fail the pipe slider I realized one thing . Morimoto use a different strategy . He held the pipe with one hand facing towards him and the other facing away . Similar to brian orosco on the salmon ladder . I am curious to know whether this technique led to his downfall . Maybe he could of gained momentum faster if he had both hands face away from him ?
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Post by gtoneko on Jul 8, 2013 12:47:03 GMT -5
What you saw is a bit of an old school technique that a good bit of the All Stars used to use, back when the Pipe Slider was first being used as the final obstacle in the 3rd Stage.
That technique usually helps maintain a good "straight" momentum to slide on till the end. When you reach the end though, it varies from one person to another as far as having that same grip or not. It all comes down to getting that right swing angle to either make it onto the mat basically.
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Post by hashtagswag on Jul 8, 2013 13:03:38 GMT -5
Oh yeah . I remember yamada used that technique . Its too bad he failed that obstacle twice . L¤L and in dramatic fashion .
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Post by gtoneko on Jul 8, 2013 13:28:13 GMT -5
Yeah, and the sad thing is, one of the times he failed, he could've been in the final stage if he had his balance.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jul 8, 2013 16:00:58 GMT -5
I think it's easier to hold onto the bar with reversed palms (one palm away from you, one facing you) and it looks easier to keep the bar in place using this technique.
But man, only Nagano has really mastered it.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 8, 2013 20:37:48 GMT -5
>Morimoto used a different technique >Like Brian Orosco on the Salmon Ladder
You youngin' today are spoiled! What with yer dang ol' american courses and yer jumpin' cliffhangers! YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN! *Shakes Salmon Ladder bar in air like a cane*
In all seriousness this is classic stuff, Yamada did it, Nagano did it, a ton of competitors did that in the pre-Shin days, if anything that's the "familiar" PS technique, personally it's not the grip I'd use myself but that's the common one
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 20:49:09 GMT -5
As I recall, in Sasuke 7, Shingo surprised everyone by using a reverse grip, with both palms facing him. And he cleared.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 8, 2013 21:20:23 GMT -5
This is correct, it also proved risky by how close he was to the edge, not sure he would have had that been on the big gap in the later tournaments it was in, as much as I would want him to
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Post by gtoneko on Jul 8, 2013 21:21:10 GMT -5
I almost forgot about that one. The last time he wore his original gas station uniform before the change in colors and all.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jul 8, 2013 21:21:35 GMT -5
Well it didn't work out very well for Akiyama in 12 if I remember correctly.
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Post by Badalight on Jul 9, 2013 3:25:33 GMT -5
Best technique in my opinion is both palms facing away, like a normal grip. It's easier to keep the bar from sliding back and feels more natural (in my opinion).
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jul 9, 2013 5:53:56 GMT -5
Best technique in my opinion is both palms facing away, like a normal grip. It's easier to keep the bar from sliding back and feels more natural (in my opinion). But the jump seems too hard with that grip. And it's probably too tiring on the forearms.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 9, 2013 5:59:14 GMT -5
Feels natural to me, I've fiund it a bit more difficult to jump with alternating grip. As for being more taxing, no more so than the other ways
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Post by nehcney on Jul 9, 2013 10:50:27 GMT -5
I would kip from about 4 feet out from the end in a sort of flying-bar manner, so that the bar hits the end with my body leaning forward and my legs behind me for a solid swing to the platform. I'd rather not deal with the whole pipe-sliding-backwards issue.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 9, 2013 15:10:21 GMT -5
I would kip from about 4 feet out from the end in a sort of flying-bar manner, so that the bar hits the end with my body leaning forward and my legs behind me for a solid swing to the platform. I'd rather not deal with the whole pipe-sliding-backwards issue. Problem being you'd need to swing to get that jump from that far, being even harder and likely derailing with nothing on either side, nice theory but too tricky to pull off
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Post by nehcney on Jul 9, 2013 15:46:44 GMT -5
Yeah there's a possibility of derailing but less than say the salmon swap or the flying bars. It's just an idea right now, I'd love to try it on a practice rig to see if it has any merit.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 9, 2013 15:54:40 GMT -5
Actually way more likely, the FB and SSL have something secure to swing on Do people even remember travis allen schroeder anymore? YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN! "Shakes Final Stage in air like a walker*
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Post by gtoneko on Jul 9, 2013 16:00:13 GMT -5
Oh crap! Forgot about that powerhouse. X3
Even from the DQ of going off track, he still attempted anyways. X3 That's definitely a "never say die" attitude if ever.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 9, 2013 16:17:40 GMT -5
You dang youngins... Back in my day yamada was a serious comletitor and a comedian was the final stage record holder *continues rambling on like an old man despite being 20 and only discovering Sasuke in early 2007*
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Post by nehcney on Jul 9, 2013 16:59:31 GMT -5
Daaang I've been watching Sasuke way before you but I've never heard of him I guess I only saw what was aired on Spike TV, definitely didn't catch season 4. But yeah I wouldn't swing from 4 feet out. I'd do a "kipping" motion (basically what Morimoto tried at the end, and what Nagano did to succeed) which would bring the bar towards the end in such a way that my body is angled with my feet behind me, and end up in a perfect position to swing to the platform. I don't see much of a risk of derailing here as you're constantly applying downward pressure with hardly any horizontal force until the moment when you're ready to detach the pipe from the railing. Actually I just did an approximate measurement and 4 feet is too long, I think 2-3 feet away is ideal.
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